Disturbing A.I. chats

[CherubRam]

Judaism is not the tree. Jews are branches on the tree.
Christ is the tree/vine.

Judaism has been broken off and Christians have been grafted into the tree/vine (Ro 11:16-23).
Jews will be grafted back IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).

I agree Christ is the tree/vine. Yahwah and Yahshua is what we believe, that is Judaism. The fact that we are called Christians does not mean our faith does not come from Judaism.

 

[Eleanor]

I agree Christ is the tree/vine. Yahwah and Yahshua is what we believe, that is Judaism.

Orthodox Jews disagree.

The fact that we are called Christians does not mean our faith does not come from Judaism.

There is no saving "Judaism." Since the death of Christ, only faith in Jesus Christ saves (Jn 3:18).

And that faith does not "come from Judaism," it comes only from the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5).

Only the born again of the Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ believe to salvation (Jn 3:18).

 

[CherubRam]

Orthodox Jews disagree.

There is no saving "Judaism." Since the death of Christ, only faith in Jesus Christ saves (Jn 3:18).

And that faith does not "come from Judaism," it comes only from the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5).

Only the born again of the Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ believe to salvation (Jn 3:18).

Romans 11:18
do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

True Judaism supports Christianity. Judaism is what the Judeans believed.

 

[Arial]

Romans 11:18
do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

True Judaism supports Christianity. Judaism is what the Judeans believed.

In what way does Judaism support Christianity?

What do you mean by supports?

The way of Christianity is that Christ is the root, not Judaism. Paul is not talking about Judaism in Romans 11:18. Judaism is a religion. He is talking about Israel as God's people. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. (You see, he was the God of Abraham and Isaac before there ever was an Israel (Jacob) and the God of Jacob before there was an Israel as a land grant.)

It is Christ who is the vine that one is broken off from or grafted in to. He refers to himself as the Vine and believers as the branches. Israel is the root because that is through whom Christ comes. And the root and the vine are one. (John 10:29-30)

 

[Eleanor]

Romans 11:18
do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches.

How is that possible when I have nothing of my own that is superior.

However, I do consider myself on the tree, while those unbelieving branches are not.
I do consider myself in Christ by the will of God, while those unbelieving branches currently are not.

Who and what I am is not about me, it's about Christ for/in me.

If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

The branches, Jews or Gentiles, are not the root.

The branches are believers, unbelievers are not branches. . .the root is Christ.
Christ, the root, supports me, the branch. . .branches do not support me.

True Judaism supports Christianity. Judaism is what the Judeans believed.

Judaism is not the tree. Christ is the tree.
Jews/Judaism, Christians/Christianity, etc. are only branches in/on the tree which is Christ.

 

[CherubRam]

In what way does Judaism support Christianity?

What do you mean by supports?

The way of Christianity is that Christ is the root, not Judaism. Paul is not talking about Judaism in Romans 11:18. Judaism is a religion. He is talking about Israel as God's people. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. (You see, he was the God of Abraham and Isaac before there ever was an Israel (Jacob) and the God of Jacob before there was an Israel as a land grant.)

It is Christ who is the vine that one is broken off from or grafted in to. He refers to himself as the Vine and believers as the branches. Israel is the root because that is through whom Christ comes. And the root and the vine are one. (John 10:29-30)

Judaism came before Christianity. The New Testament is based upon the Old Testament. Judaism is the belief in Yahwah and Yahshua.

 

[CherubRam]

How is that possible when I have nothing of my own that is superior.

However, I do consider myself on the tree, while those unbelieving branches are not.
I do consider myself in Christ by the will of God, while those unbelieving branches currently are not.

Who and what I am is not about me, it's about Christ for/in me.

The branches, Jews or Gentiles, are not the root.

The branches are believers, unbelievers are not branches. . .the root is Christ.
Christ, the root, supports me, the branch. . .branches do not support me.

Judaism is not the tree. Christ is the tree.
Jews/Judaism, Christians/Christianity, etc. are only branches in/on the tree which is Christ.

Christ is the "Root" that supports the BRANCHES.

 

[Arial]

Judaism came before Christianity. The New Testament is based upon the Old Testament. Judaism is the belief in Yahwah and Yahshua.

Judaism is more than a belief in God and Jesus. If that is your definition of Judaism it is faulty. Traditional Judaism does not believe in Jesus other than maybe he existed. But they do not acknowledge him as the Messiah, his resurrection, or as a Savior unto eternal life through faith in him or by any other means.

Judaism in the NT period became a case of believing Jews attempting to combine the two religions, demanding that the Mosaic Law, the Torah, be kept in addition to believing in Christ as Messiah and Savior. The apostles dealt with it on a regular basis as we see in Acts, Corinthians, Col. etc. In that respect Judaism still exists, though there are many definitions of what Judaism is, some not even connected to religion but ethnicity.

The religion of Israel in the OT influenced Christianity, yes. It was the forerunner to it before Christ's birth, life, death, resurrection, ascension. It laid the groundwork for his arrival. Both are monotheistic, but only Christianity is Trinitarian in its understanding of God as existing uniquely as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, equal in essence--- ---one God, not three.

The NT interprets the OT. Jesus and the apostles were doing this all the time. Things that could not be fully revealed in the OT are revealed in the NT and through Christ.

 

[Eleanor]

Christ is the "Root" that supports the BRANCHES.

Christ is the root/trunk. . .believers in Christ are the branches. . .rejecters of Christ are cut-off branches. . .who will be grafted back in IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).

 

[CherubRam]

Christ is the root/trunk. . .believers in Christ are the branches. . .rejecters of Christ are cut-off branches. . .who will be grafted back in IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).

Isaiah 11:1
A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.


A shoot is a young plant or part of a plant that grows above ground.

 

[CherubRam]

Judaism is more than a belief in God and Jesus. If that is your definition of Judaism it is faulty. Traditional Judaism does not believe in Jesus other than maybe he existed. But they do not acknowledge him as the Messiah, his resurrection, or as a Savior unto eternal life through faith in him or by any other means.

Judaism in the NT period became a case of believing Jews attempting to combine the two religions, demanding that the Mosaic Law, the Torah, be kept in addition to believing in Christ as Messiah and Savior. The apostles dealt with it on a regular basis as we see in Acts, Corinthians, Col. etc. In that respect Judaism still exists, though there are many definitions of what Judaism is, some not even connected to religion but ethnicity.

The religion of Israel in the OT influenced Christianity, yes. It was the forerunner to it before Christ's birth, life, death, resurrection, ascension. It laid the groundwork for his arrival. Both are monotheistic, but only Christianity is Trinitarian in its understanding of God as existing uniquely as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, equal in essence--- ---one God, not three.

The NT interprets the OT. Jesus and the apostles were doing this all the time. Things that could not be fully revealed in the OT are revealed in the NT and through Christ.

Are you aware that Catholicism introduced trinitarianism into scriptures?

 

[makesends]

Are you aware that Catholicism introduced trinitarianism into scriptures?

Are you aware that is off-topic?

 

[Arial]

Are you aware that Catholicism introduced trinitarianism into scriptures?

That fails to address the post it is responding to and changes the subject.

 

[Eleanor]

Isaiah 11:1
A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.


A shoot is a young plant or part of a plant that grows above ground.

The branch of Jesse there is Christ.

 

[Eleanor]

duplicate

 

[CherubRam]

The branch of Jesse there is Christ.

Christ is the Vine and Christianity is the Branch.

 

[Arial]

Christ is the Vine and Christianity is the Branch.

Christ is the vine that grows out of the root and the branches are Christians. Those in him through faith.

 

[makesends]

Christ is the Vine and Christianity is the Branch.

That is sloughing the one principle into the other, merely by similar-sounding analogy. That is a kind of superstitious, mechanical, use of Scripture.

 

[CherubRam]

That is sloughing the one principle into the other, merely by similar-sounding analogy. That is a kind of superstitious, mechanical, use of Scripture.

Truth is narrowly defined.

 

[makesends]

Truth is narrowly defined.

Of course, but not conflating real use of words. That is, one cannot take one word or phrase, identical to the same word or phrase in another context, as though it must be referring to the same thing.