Yes interesting parable, the promised three day and night demonstration beginning the work of suffering unto death in the garden the Holy Father striking the heel of the Son of man Jesus bruising the heel crushing the head of the serpent. Then moved to the hill the literal bloody husband demonstration and last the demonstration of faith hid in the tomb. When finished the Holy Father removed the grave clothes and rolled back the stone. The parable of salvation
A little different than Lazarus 4 days the Holy Father kept the body from corrupting beyond the point of return. With Lazarus the Holy Father had the disciples roll back the stone and remove the grave clothes. The stinky job babysitting new family members. The parable of fellowship
What is the op about, specifically?
I just didn't realize the implication might have been that people thought Jesus bore the sins of people he did not save.
A lot of people (mistakenly) think of sin solely as a thing we
do, and not as a disposition. One single sin corrupts the entire person and makes him or her sinful. Even were s/he to never sin again that infection has become a part of who and what is that person. Furthermore, once Adam sinned, sin enter the world, it entered the entire world. It brought death with it and that death was so pervasive that every single human who lived after Adam would sin. ALL have sinned and fall short of God's glory.
Therefore, when Adam disobeyed God (twice in one act) God lost all of humanity, not just one man. What was owed God was an entire species, not just one individual. Even if Adam hadn't sinned, Eve had. Any progeny they produced would have born the cellular effects of sin transmitted through Eve's chromosomal contribution in her ovum. The same would prove true in reverse had Adam alone disobeyed God and sin entered him. Either way, all good/unashamed/sinless pure, unadulterated humanity is lost forever. This is magnified exponentially once it is realized Jesus redeems/restores the world, not just a select group of humans living on the planet. Some folks deny the genetic argument because it was formed on a theological basis long before modern genetics were understood but we now know that an event as traumatic as Genesis 3:6-7 would have had tremendous adverse effect on a cellular level in the brain and through the process of mitosis those changes would have eventually been replicated in every cell in Adam and Eve's body (including their zygotes) and passed on to their progeny. In other words, it's not only the individuals who got corrupted, but the processes by which they interact with everything and everyone else! Jesus redeems the individual, the species, the world, and the processes, the mechanisms involved..... beginning with the wall of hostility that divided humanity from God.
His work is enormous.
And it applies to
everyone, except some are saved and receive eternal life while others are sentenced and receive eternal destruction. Same Jesus. Same cross. Same horror contemplated that evening in Gethsemane as the temple guards were on their way to arrest him. His hour had come.
I've never taken it as that. If Jesus bore someone's sin upon the cross the debt for their sin is paid, and therefore, they have come from death to life...
No.
- Salvation is by grace.
- Salvation is through faith (salvation is never said to be by faith).
- Salvation is not of the creature (so none may boast).
- Salvation is such that those created in Christ will do good works that God planned for them to perform before He saved them.
Those who believe get saved and the debate rages over whether or not faith is a gift or a natural ability of humanity, but the Reformed/monergistic position is that grace
and faith are gifts from God, along with all else that comes with salvation (chosenness, called, sanctification, justification, election, etc.). Everyone was dead in sin when, in eternity, God chose who would be saved. This is often misconstrued by monergists who think the sorting occurred prior to sin because God's ordaining occurred in eternity. In eternity it was from the lot of sinners that God chose some to be saved. There's no need to save folks from sin who've never sinned. Synergists believe a straw man. Knowing all would sin, God chose some to save. The rest he left as they are: dead in sin, enslaved by sin, in an inherent state of condemnation simply because they have not believed in Jesus. Those God saves, He saves by faith. Those God saves by grace He gifts faith. Those God by grace saves, gifting them faith He also (re-)creates in Christ for good works He had in mind long before He saved them. His mercy does not depend on how a man works or wills; it depends on His will and His purpose for that creature.
Few enter the narrow gate. Wide is the road to destruction. The hour for Jesus to make that reality had arrived in Gethsemane. He'd emptied himself of equality with God for this purpose and although it results in amazing glory (and glorification) it comes at an incredible price because the one who could justly consider equality something to be grasped, the pure, holy, righteous impeccable Son became what was laid upon him. Isaiah says it was
crushing.
Isn't it? This is why we point out efficiency. The work itself was sufficient for all and acts to cover the whole world (protection from wrath until which time as?), but Jesus only died for those he saved - the actual bearing of our sins part.
Peter 2:24 "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed."
John and Peter aren't saying the same thing, in my mind anyway. Thoughts?
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying but I think the answer lays in realizing the word "
only" does not belong anywhere in any of the sentences you just posted. Jesus did bare our sins that we might die to sin, but Jesus did not bare our sins
only that we might die to sin. We are healed by his wounds, but the verse does not state
only we are healed; all creation is healed (or rather, will one day be healed - all because of Calvary).
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