Catholic Attack on Literal Interpretation of Scripture: Full of Holes and Logical Fallacies

[ChristB4us]

Is Jesus Christ the king?

Is Peter the King?

If no; then Jesus is that rock that the church was built upon.

 

[Arial]

Is Jesus Christ the king?

You need to stop with the non sequitur replies to posts. Also the scripture quotes with no content included as to why you are giving them or what they are meant to convey. You present yourself as a troll with no knowledge and as your only interest being to wave the RCC flag in a disruptive manner.

 

[Frank Robert]

I would think bigger than the Vatican library full of oral traditions as a law of the fathers

It is not either or it is both written and oral. The teaching of the Bible and of the Church is that God’s Word comes to us both through the writings of the prophets and apostles and through the oral Traditions that they handed on, and these are preserved by the Church through the leading of the Holy Spirit. The burden of proof is on any Christian who believes otherwise.

Paul rebuked Peter and his followers because they would force the Law of the fathers onto the gentiles, circumcision, etc., which is also taught in the CC.

Hint: when you see "the law" think circumcision.

 

[donadams]

As long as you keep believing that and drinking that Kool - Aid, you will never see the truth in the scriptures that the rock is always used for reference to deity and therefore Jesus was announcing Himself as that rock that the church is built upon.

Word search For Rock = Deity At Bible Gateway

1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Did you know that was not when Jesus called him Peter first?

John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. 42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
You should read that event again that has been misapplied by Catholic Church.
Matthew 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Jesus is not rewarding Peter for saying that when the Father revealed it to him to say that and so that is not why he was called Peter..

It is upon what Peter had said about Christ is the rock the church is to be built on, as Jesus is the chief cornerstone.

Paul said so.

Ephesians 2:20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Peter especially said so as Peter is not the rock the church is built upon but he is one of the stones as the other apostle and ALL believers are..

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

So believe Peter and not the RCC that Jesus is the rock the church is built upon as all believers in Jesus Christ is His Church.

One thing you should ask yourself and that is if the RCC was to rule over all churches, why doesn't Revelation direct those 5 erring churches to the RCC and commend the 2 good churches as if yielding to the RCC as if that is how they are to hold fast?

So go to Jesus Christ in prayer and ask Him for help to see the truth in His words if you love Him to want to abide in Him & His words as his disciples.

Peter has no authority or power?

Tell that to Ananias and his wife in acts 5!

 

[Frank Robert]

RC Sproul? What happened to Jn 6:68?

"Simon Peter answered him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.'"

I can't speak for Sproul but the literal words of Jn 6:68 are obvious. Peter is expressing a deep commitment and loyalty to Jesus for spiritual truth and salvation.

 

[Arial]

It is not either or it is both written and oral. The teaching of the Bible and of the Church is that God’s Word comes to us both through the writings of the prophets and apostles and through the oral Traditions that they handed on, and these are preserved by the Church through the leading of the Holy Spirit. The burden of proof is on any Christian who believes otherwise.

You are dead wrong about the burden being on Protestants to prove that the RCC is not the Church, or that the oral traditions as stated by the RCC were passed to her by the leading of the Holy Spirit. It is the RCC that makes that claim. Therefore they must prove their claim since the Bible does not state that anywhere. There is never a mention of the RCC in the Scriptures. No mention of intercessory human priests in the new covenant; no mention of a human Holy Father that is the authority of Christ's church as to its teachings; no mention of Mary being a perpetual virgin and her mother also; no mention of salvation through the sharing of the Lord's Supper; no mention of human priests in the new covenant dispensing saving and forgiving grace; no mention of a visible church being the source of salvation given only by human priests; no mention of Mary interceding for us with her Son. And that is just the tip of the iceberg concerning the teachings of the RCC that they have named as biblical truth because they have set themselves up as the one true church of Christ and the authority on the interpretation of scripture. So the burden of proof is on you. Something I have asked for again and again and all I get back is a repetition of their interpretations, blasphemously interpreting scriptures to support their claim, rather than the proper way to discern what scriptures mean. What do you suppose the proper way is?

 

[ChristB4us]

Peter has no authority or power?

Tell that to Ananias and his wife in acts 5!

Every saved believer following Jesus as His disciples have authority and power as a believer in Jesus Christ';

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

When it comes to correcting wayward believers and even prayer, every believer as His disciples has those keys and not just Peter.

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

That is the same keys you see as given to Peter but you & the catholic Church have forgotten that His other disciples were in that same room when Jesus said this and so it is erroneous to believe that Jesus was only saying this to Peter when Jesus was expounding on what was said by Peter being the Christ, the Son of the living God ( which was revealed from the Father and not from Peter as Jesus said flesh & blood did not reveal that to him; meaning he did not get that revelation from his own intellect or reasoning as if Peter had figured it out himself.

Matthew 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 

[Frank Robert]

You are dead wrong about the burden being on Protestants to prove that the RCC is not the Church, or that the oral traditions as stated by the RCC were passed to her by the leading of the Holy Spirit. It is the RCC that makes that claim. Therefore they must prove their claim since the Bible does not state that anywhere. There is never a mention of the RCC in the Scriptures. No mention of intercessory human priests in the new covenant; no mention of a human Holy Father that is the authority of Christ's church as to its teachings; no mention of Mary being a perpetual virgin and her mother also; no mention of salvation through the sharing of the Lord's Supper; no mention of human priests in the new covenant dispensing saving and forgiving grace; no mention of a visible church being the source of salvation given only by human priests; no mention of Mary interceding for us with her Son. And that is just the tip of the iceberg concerning the teachings of the RCC that they have named as biblical truth because they have set themselves up as the one true church of Christ and the authority on the interpretation of scripture. So the burden of proof is on you. Something I have asked for again and again and all I get back is a repetition of their interpretations, blasphemously interpreting scriptures to support their claim, rather than the proper way to discern what scriptures mean. What do you suppose the proper way is?

The CC relies on Scared tradition and Matt 16:18.

"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock, I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18)

The significance of this statement has been a point of theological discussion and interpretation. The name "Peter" comes from the Greek word "petros," which means "rock" or "stone." Jesus uses a play on words in this verse to highlight Peter's role in the establishment of the church.

There are thousands of denominations with innumerable interpretations of the Bible but you don't seem able to disprove it either. No one is forcing you to accept Catholic doctrine. If you can prove it wrong please do.

The Catholic Church, for example, traditionally interprets this verse as indicating that Peter is the foundational rock upon which the church is built. According to CC doctrine, this recognition of Peter's role as the rock establishes the foundation for the papacy, with the belief that Peter's authority was passed down through the succession of the popes.

 

[Arial]

The CC relies on Scared tradition and Matt 16:18.

"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock, I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18)

The significance of this statement has been a point of theological discussion and interpretation. The name "Peter" comes from the Greek word "petros," which means "rock" or "stone." Jesus uses a play on words in this verse to highlight Peter's role in the establishment of the church.

There are thousands of denominations with innumerable interpretations of the Bible but you don't seem able to disprove it either. No one is forcing you to accept Catholic doctrine. If you can prove it wrong please do.

The Catholic Church, for example, traditionally interprets this verse as indicating that Peter is the foundational rock upon which the church is built. According to CC doctrine, this recognition of Peter's role as the rock establishes the foundation for the papacy, with the belief that Peter's authority was passed down through the succession of the popes.

You still have done no more than what I said Catholics always do. They support themselves by themselves. They are their own witness and the only witness they have. That does not constitute proof. It would never pass even in a court of law in the natural. It would be scoffed at as I now scoff at the RCC doing it.

 

[donadams]

The word virgin is used more than one way.

Satan would have mankind believe it has something to do with literal intercource . The whole church is reckoned as the chaste virgin bride .
Those who have not served the strange woman under the influence of the legion. Satan. a violation of the first commandment. Have no other gods before him. Not a legion . Many gods in the likeness of dying mankind . Some are required to call patron saints.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women (strange gods) for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The gospel has nothing to do with literal sex. It has to do with the unseen Holy Father bringing new born again spirit life through his incorruptible born again seed. Nothing to do with dying flesh and blood of the powerless We are not saved by the corruptible seed of our blessed sister in the lord, Mary. She was born again also

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I would ask. Why would a person have to suffer wonder , suffer wonder with no end in sight . And call that born again?

So you were born of Mary?

 

[donadams]

Is Peter the King?

If no; then Jesus is that rock that the church was built upon.

Just a simple question!

 

[donadams]

You need to stop with the non sequitur replies to posts. Also the scripture quotes with no content included as to why you are giving them or what they are meant to convey. You present yourself as a troll with no knowledge and as your only interest being to wave the RCC flag in a disruptive manner.

No I only asked a simple question?

He had the non sequitur

 

[donadams]

"Simon Peter answered him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.'"

I can't speak for Sproul but the literal words of Jn 6:68 are obvious. Peter is expressing a deep commitment and loyalty to Jesus for spiritual truth and salvation.

Then is only Jesus has the words of eternal life, RC Sproul does not

 

[donadams]

Every saved believer following Jesus as His disciples have authority and power as a believer in Jesus Christ';

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

When it comes to correcting wayward believers and even prayer, every believer as His disciples has those keys and not just Peter.

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

That is the same keys you see as given to Peter but you & the catholic Church have forgotten that His other disciples were in that same room when Jesus said this and so it is erroneous to believe that Jesus was only saying this to Peter when Jesus was expounding on what was said by Peter being the Christ, the Son of the living God ( which was revealed from the Father and not from Peter as Jesus said flesh & blood did not reveal that to him; meaning he did not get that revelation from his own intellect or reasoning as if Peter had figured it out himself.

Matthew 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

How many have been healed by your shadow?

 

[Arial]

No I only asked a simple question?

He had the non sequitur

Not true.

 

[Mr GLee]

So you were born of Mary?

She is my sister in the Lord. Jesus the Son of man my brother .We call no man on earth Holy Father . Wrong family tree..

Jesus my brother in the Lord testifies below

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[Mr GLee]

How many have been healed by your shadow?

No one is healed by a shadow of the substance.

 

[donadams]

Not true.

It was to make point but he dropped the ball

 

[donadams]

She is my sister in the Lord. Jesus the Son of man my brother .We call no man on earth Holy Father . Wrong family tree..

Jesus my brother in the Lord testifies below

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

If Jesus is your brother?
And Mary is his mother she must be your mother also!
Jn 19:26
Rev 12:17

 

[donadams]

No one is healed by a shadow of the substance.

Acts 4:15