Can the external call of the gospel by itself produce faith in the heart of the natural man?

[Eleanor]

Which was refuted in post 16

Faith comes by hearing

Yes, there must be an object/content to have faith in.
Prior to that, faith is just the power to believe, having no object to believe in.

and hearing by the word of God.

"Faith is from hearing and the hearing through a word of Christ" (being preached) (Ro 10:17).

There is no operative faith or object of faith without the word of God.

Faith comes (operates) by God's word alone.

While the word is not a PRODUCER OF FAITH, it is the SOURCE OF FAITH.

These are Gods words not mine

The producer of faith is the sovereign Holy Spirit in the new birth (Jn 3:3-8), before which one is spiritually dead, deaf, blind and lame.

The object of faith is the word of God.

 

[QVQ]

Lurkers? What say you?

As a Lurker
IT is not either/or.
Faith leads a person to the Word and the Word leads a person to Faith.

Faith affirms the Word. The Word embodies Faith
There must be Faith, an awarness of God, then a person can hear the Word and say "Amen."
Awareness of God is spiritual sensitivity thus regeneration.

 

[ReverendRV]

As a Lurker
IT is not either/or.
Faith leads a person to the Word and the Word leads a person to Faith.

Faith affirms the Word. The Word embodies Faith
There must be Faith, an awarness of God, then a person can hear the Word and say "Amen."
Awareness of God is spiritual sensitivity thus regeneration.

Well said...

You all would be surprised to hear what I think about the Logical and Temporal Orders...

 

[makesends]

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word.

While hearing does nto produce faith it is the source of faith. Because the source is God.

quoting, so it won't be lost in your answer:
"Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word.
While hearing does nto produce faith it is the source of faith. Because the source is God."

So what "produces" faith?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Lurkers? What say you?

To what? To this?

"Can the external call of the gospel by itself produce faith in the heart of the natural man?"

I figured my answer is one everyone knows. I would say absolutely not, it's all God, the internal call is what is salvific.

The external matches the internal only. The internal comes first, and God opens our hearts to receive the external message in salvific response to His effectual calling.

That's just what I think. Not a know it all.

I think God made preachers because we like hearing God's word, taught beautifully. There's nothing better. It feeds something inside of us, and is nice.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Awareness of God is spiritual sensitivity thus regeneration.

Where can I find this?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

quoting, so it won't be lost in your answer:
"Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word.
While hearing does nto produce faith it is the source of faith. Because the source is God."

So what "produces" faith?

what produced faith in you to trust your boss, Your parents. Your spouse? Any person you ever trusted.

did it just pop up out of no where? Or was it earned, was it given to you be the one you trusted?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

To what? To this?

"Can the external call of the gospel by itself produce faith in the heart of the natural man?"

I figured my answer is one everyone knows. I would say absolutely not, it's all God, the internal call is what is salvific.

The external matches the internal only. The internal comes first, and God opens our hearts to receive the external message in salvific response to His effectual calling.

That's just what I think. Not a know it all.

I think God made preachers because we like hearing God's word, taught beautifully. There's nothing better. It feeds something inside of us, and is nice.

Have to be careful. there are some very charismatic. great talkers that will lead you astray. because they have no truth

 

[Eleanor]

what produced faith in you to trust your boss, Your parents. Your spouse? Any person you ever trusted.

Spiritual trust and natural trust do not have the same origin.

did it just pop up out of no where? Or was it earned, was it given to you be the one you trusted?

Natural trust is earned, spiritual trust is given.