By Grace Alone

[Ladodgers6]

Why didn't you address my question? I asked if you can explain following passages.

Romans 3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Romans 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works
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Justified by Faith

Galatians 2:15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.​

Galatians 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

So I kindly request again if you wouldn't mind addressing these passages for me.

Thanks in advance!

 

[Eleanor]

Please explain this in virtue of what you said here
Immaculate conception and the Four spiritual laws:
2) Man is sinful and separated from God, so we cannot know Him personally or experience His love.
Man is Sinful.
3) Jesus Christ is God's only provision for man's sin. Through Him alone we can know God personally and experience God's love.
He Died in Our Place.
4) We must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know God personally and experience His love.
We Must Receive Christ.

And in the OT they believed in Christ when they believed in the promise (Ge 15:5, seed; Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16).

Knowing this how can scripture say:

Lk 1:28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

“Full of grace”

Grace is unmerited favor. Mary was the recipient of the fullness of God's unmerited favor. That did not make her sinless.

“Lord is with Mary”
(not Mary is with the Lord)

Mary would have to die to "be with the Lord."

The Lord was with all who received his favor in the OT through believing in the promise (Ge 5;15, seed; Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16).

“Blessed”

The only possibility is the “immaculate conception” by the power of God thru the future merits of the passion and death of Jesus Christ! Amen! Lk 1:37 Lk 1:49

Not when you understand the terminology.

"Blessed" is throughout the OT.

 

[Eleanor]

Salvation is by grace
And by faith
But not by faith alone

Through grace "by faith" alone means "not by works" (Eph 2:8-9).

You are in disagreement with Eph 2:8-9 when you add any work (performance) to faith for salvation.

 

[prism]

Salvation is by grace
And by faith
But not by faith alone

What would you like to add to faith?

Romans 3:22,28 ESV
[28] For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Please explain this in virtue of what you said here

The only one virtuous is Christ! And it is his righteousness that is the Free-Gift given in the Gospel to the "ungodly" and is received through Faith Alone apart works [Human Effort]. Righteous people do not need the Gospel, correct? This is for the wicked, ungodly, unrighteous. Only the sick need a Physician.

Did you notice the comparison Paul makes between the two Adams? Through One Man's disobedience brought sin, death, and condemnation. And through the other One Man's obedience brought Righteousness, Life, and Justification. Christ fulfills where the first Adam failed.

15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. 16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. 17 For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. 20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Immaculate conception and the Four spiritual laws:

2) Man is sinful and separated from God, so we cannot know Him personally or experience His love.
Man is Sinful.

So this severed relationship must be reconciled.

3) Jesus Christ is God's only provision for man's sin. Through Him alone we can know God personally and experience God's love.
He Died in Our Place.

Christ is put forward as a propitiation and expiation, and fulfills the Law with his righteous obedience, is raised for our justification.

4) We must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know God personally and experience His love.
We Must Receive Christ.

First as a Savior, because Christ came to save sinners, not the righteous. Then we can worship and obey him as Lord; Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Now that we have Peace with God, we can build piety toward God and live to God.​

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Knowing this how can scripture say:

Lk 1:28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

“Full of grace”

“Lord is with Mary”
(not Mary is with the Lord)

“Blessed”

The only possibility is the “immaculate conception” by the power of God thru the future merits of the passion and death of Jesus Christ! Amen! Lk 1:37 Lk 1:49

It's all of Grace Alone in Christ Alone through Faith Alone!

 

[donadams]

And in the OT they believed in Christ when they believed in the promise (Ge 15:5, seed; Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16).

Grace is unmerited favor. Mary was the recipient of the fullness of God's unmerited favor. That did not make her sinless.

Mary would have to die to "be with the Lord."

The Lord was with all who received his favor in the OT through believing in the promise (Ge 5;15, seed; Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16).

Not when you understand the terminology.

"Blessed" is throughout the OT.

You skipped Lk 1:49?

 

[donadams]

Through grace "by faith" alone means "not by works" (Eph 2:8-9).

You are in disagreement with Eph 2:8-9 when you add any work (performance) to faith for salvation.

Where does it say faith alone?

And it says it’s not your faith!

 

[donadams]

It’s still by grace when works are involved cos the saving action is of grace and not the work, but grace is connected to a work

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[Eleanor]

You skipped Lk 1:49?

Please demonstrate your point.

 

[Eleanor]

By grace "through faith" alone means "not by works" (Eph 2:8-9).

You are in disagreement with Eph 2:8-9 when you add any work (performance) to faith for salvation.

Where does it say faith alone?

Addressed above.

And it says it’s not your faith!

The grammatical construction is that it is not your own salvation (i.e., it is not by your own works).

 

[donadams]

What would you like to add to faith?

Romans 3:22,28 ESV
[28] For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Yes apart from the works of the law
But that’s a legal term and does not include good works
Prayer ask and you shall receive
Alms
Fasting
Suffering
Practice of the virtues of Jesus Christ
All united to Christ the mediator by grace
In the new covenant church by faith and baptism
The sacraments
Abiding in Christ Jn 15:1-5 Endure to the end Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13

Thanks

 

[donadams]

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part. All mankind is redeemed.
Lk 2:11 Jn 1:29 rm 5:8 1 pet 1:21-23


Justification:
then if we accept His redemption we are justified, born again by faith and baptism. Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 8:36 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:21

Sanctification:
Members of Christ and his church by grace we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, suffering other sacraments etc. until death. Phil 1:29

At the hour of death separation from the grace of God by apostasy / rejection of Christ or failing to repent of serious sin a man is lost in damnation! Or

Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation! Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) Jn 3:5 zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

 

[donadams]

The only one virtuous is Christ! And it is his righteousness that is the Free-Gift given in the Gospel to the "ungodly" and is received through Faith Alone apart works [Human Effort]. Righteous people do not need the Gospel, correct? This is for the wicked, ungodly, unrighteous. Only the sick need a Physician.

Did you notice the comparison Paul makes between the two Adams? Through One Man's disobedience brought sin, death, and condemnation. And through the other One Man's obedience brought Righteousness, Life, and Justification. Christ fulfills where the first Adam failed.

15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. 16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. 17 For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. 20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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So this severed relationship must be reconciled.

Christ is put forward as a propitiation and expiation, and fulfills the Law with his righteous obedience, is raised for our justification.

First as a Savior, because Christ came to save sinners, not the righteous. Then we can worship and obey him as Lord; Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Now that we have Peace with God, we can build piety toward God and live to God.​

It's all of Grace Alone in Christ Alone through Faith Alone!

You did not answer
How does Mary have these things in advance?

It is by grace that we are saved
Never faith alone

 

[prism]

Yes apart from the works of the law
But that’s a legal term and does not include good works

are you saying that when a person is justified (declared righteous on account of Christ) it only serves a legal purpose and is bereft of any further virtue from God?

Romans 1:16 (KJV) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

[donadams]

Please demonstrate your point.

What things “plural” are referred to in Lk 1:49?

 

[donadams]

Addressed above.

The grammatical construction is that it is not your own salvation (i.e., it is not by your own works).

Faith is your own? Or also a gift of God?

The supernatural virtue of faith not an emotional sentiment

 

[Eleanor]

What things “plural” are referred to in Lk 1:49?

Relevance?

Well, for starters,
God has spoken to her;
though a virgin, she conceives;
the long-awaited Messiah is at the threshold,
all generations shall call her blessed (as indeed she was! as well as suffered much).

He has likewise done great things for me, chosen me as the bride of the Messiah, his Son, Christ (Eph 5:30-32).

 

[Eleanor]

Faith is your own? Or also a gift of God?[\

It's all the work of God.

The supernatural virtue of faith not an emotional sentiment

It's also not a box of crackers.

Relevance?

 

[donadams]

are you saying that when a person is justified (declared righteous on account of Christ) it only serves a legal purpose and is bereft of any further virtue from God?

Romans 1:16 (KJV) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Jesus Christ is Our salvation:

Truth / doctrine Jn 14:6
Sacrifice / sacraments Jn 1:16-17 Jn 1:29
Christ is in His person is our salvation Lk 2:30

How can it be “faith alone” Christ is not only a doctrine or set of beliefs but He is our Passover sacrifice and He is our salvation, His person, Lk 2:30 I have seen my Salvation!
We must have union with Christ by faith and baptism.


“Faith alone is not biblical!

Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Phil 1:29 faith and suffering rom 8:17 2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
Col 1:24 sufferings
Phil 1:29 called to suffer not faith alone
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 14:12 commandments & patience

Rev 12:11 over cane by the blood of the Lamb not by “faith alone”

Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith:
Hope:
Charity:

1 cor 13:2 even all faith without charity (Deut 6:4) avails nothing!

Never “faith alone”!

 

[prism]

Jesus Christ is Our salvation:

“Faith alone is not biblical!

OK, so solus Christus is good but sola fide is bad?