Born again?

[donadams]

T
The Christian sacrament* of baptismal regeneration is required for the new covenant and salvation!

*this promise acts 2:38-39 is a sacred oath from God ez 36:25-27 and a sacred oath is a sacrament!

Initiation!!!


Faith & Baptism is the initiation of the new and eternal covenant!

You cannot enter on you’re own or by “faith alone”!

You cannot receive Christ or grace by “faith alone”!

“Accept Christ as you’re personal lord and savior” is fundamentalist tradition not found scripture!

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Baptismal regeneration a new creation in Christ! 2 Cor 5:17

A sacrament is an oath! A sacred promise from God! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 (this promise)

No baptism no grace!

A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.

Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.

You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!


Christ instituted the holy church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation. (repent and believe the gospel) with the institution of the sacraments to convey grace to sanctify souls!
Matt 28:19






Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

Only James 2:24 a man is justified by works and not by “faith alone”

2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

The Christian sacrament of baptism is the Initiation into the new covenant and must be ministered to you by the apostles!

 

[Manfred]

I did not baptize myself!

Ok

I cannot enter on my own by “faith alone” Jn 3:5 it must be ministered to me. 2 pet 1:11

Once ministered and heard by you, do you enter by faith alone, or are you still required to prove your faith to God?

Nothing about grace?

By grace you have been saved through baptism as you prove your faith is real?

God desired to give us a physical sign to show outwardly the inward action of grace!

And when is your sin pardoned?
As you are baptized with the Spirit (indwelt) or when you get to the water and submerged?

 

[donadams]

Ok

Once ministered and heard by you, do you enter by faith alone, or are you still required to prove your faith to God?

By grace you have been saved through baptism as you prove your faith is real?

And when is your sin pardoned?
As you are baptized with the Spirit (indwelt) or when you get to the water and submerged?

Ministered unto you refers to being baptized
The grace and merits of Christ are applied to the soul in the act or sacrament of baptismal regeneration
Thanks

 

[Manfred]

Ministered unto you refers to being baptized
The grace and merits of Christ are applied to the soul in the act or sacrament of baptismal regeneration
Thanks

Meaningless response that does not address the refutation given

 

[donadams]

Meaningless response that does not address the refutation given

Then tell me how to become born again? Please
Thanks

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Then tell me how to become born again? Please
Thanks

There's nothing you can do to be born again. It is the gift of God by grace. The best you can do is to read the Bible and seek for God diligently.

 

[EarlyActs]

T
The Christian sacrament* of baptismal regeneration is required for the new covenant and salvation!

*this promise acts 2:38-39 is a sacred oath from God ez 36:25-27 and a sacred oath is a sacrament!

Initiation!!!


Faith & Baptism is the initiation of the new and eternal covenant!

You cannot enter on you’re own or by “faith alone”!

You cannot receive Christ or grace by “faith alone”!

“Accept Christ as you’re personal lord and savior” is fundamentalist tradition not found scripture!

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Baptismal regeneration a new creation in Christ! 2 Cor 5:17

A sacrament is an oath! A sacred promise from God! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 (this promise)

No baptism no grace!

A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.

Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.

You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!


Christ instituted the holy church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation. (repent and believe the gospel) with the institution of the sacraments to convey grace to sanctify souls!
Matt 28:19






Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

Only James 2:24 a man is justified by works and not by “faith alone”

2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

The Christian sacrament of baptism is the Initiation into the new covenant and must be ministered to you by the apostles!

I Cor 15:3 does not say 'baptism died for your sins.'

Baptism is not mentioned in Rom 3:21-26 which is the 'Declaration of Independence' for a believer.

There is never confusion in the NT that a symbol is a reality. It is merely an exercise, an acknowledgement.

There were repentance movements in Judaism before Christ which baptised. But without the reality of what Christ did, they do not access what Christ did.

 

[donadams]

There's nothing you can do to be born again. It is the gift of God by grace. The best you can do is to read the Bible and seek for God diligently.

Not John 3:5?
With 2 pet 1:11?

 

[donadams]

There's nothing you can do to be born again. It is the gift of God by grace. The best you can do is to read the Bible and seek for God diligently.

Eph 2;8?
This refers to redemption not justification or salvation
Thanks

Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

 

[Ritajanice]

It can’t be explained how God through the Holy Spirit births his children.​

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John 3​

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New International Version​

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Jesus Teaches Nicodemus​

3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]


You must receive the Living spiritual birth from the Spirit...it’s an act of God and NO OTHER!

 

[EarlyActs]

It can’t be explained how God through the Holy Spirit births his children.​

​

John 3​

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New International Version​

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Jesus Teaches Nicodemus​

3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]


You must receive the Living spiritual birth from the Spirit...it’s an act of God and NO OTHER!

There is a historical setting to John 3 which is easy to forget because of the charming language. This is spoken to one of the leaders of Judaism. Let me restate the subtext: 'Nic, your birth lineage doesn't matter. That's right, there is another birth about what Israel was supposed to be from the beginning, and your lineage means almost nothing.'

Anothen is sometimes 'again' but also 'from above' or 'from the beginning' (which is important in the case of Israel. This is one of the places where the worldwide mission of Israel was emphasized, the blessing to all nations).

The important part of the chapter is not the born-again language, but the doctrinal verses after 16.

And even on the expression 'being born-again' we must notice that 'being born-again' enables us to see the kingdom. That was what Nic could not see. As a leader in Judaism, we must know that there was a state-level belief about the kingdom that was very mistaken, even though Daniel 2 said it would arrive one of those years. Nic had no idea that it would be Spirit-driven. Even as late as Acts 1 after all the events, and the 40 days, the dull disciples are still asking 'is this when the kingdom of Israel comes--as mentioned in Dan 2?'

There are a lot of confusing expressions and communication generated by Jn 3 that don't really have a basis.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Not John 3:5?
With 2 pet 1:11?

Not John 3:5?
With 2 pet 1:11?

John 3:5 says you must be born of water and the spirit. Right? There's more after that. Jesus goes on to say, "Flesh is born of the flesh, and spirit of the spirit". This means "water" is "flesh". The saying, "born again" (which also means, born "from above) refers to a second birth in spirit, as opposed to the first birth in flesh by physical means through human parents.

It has to mean that or the context of Jesus' words don't make sense. There is no reason to think that water baptism is connected to the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Gospel of John says that Jesus didn't baptise anybody because the Holy Spirit had not come until after his death and ascension. Plus, the Bible often refers to the Holy Spirit is like water, fire, wind, breath, etc.

But the main point is that if water baptism was regeneration by the Holy Spirit, then babies and adults would have a spiritual experience of God by either plunging them in water (which any swimming pool can do) or throwing water over them (which any bottle of water can do), a ritual that has nothing to do with anything spiritual occurring in the mind and soul of a person.

You could have been falsely convinced that by being water baptised you are saved. But if you have no spiritual change or experience of God thereby, there is no reason to think you are anything but deluded. Since if water baptism was salvation, and everybody agreed it was, you would have nobody to argue with here about it. It is clear enough that water baptism is not the regeneration of the spirit and soul and mind by God as the baptism of the Holy SPIRIT is.

 

[EarlyActs]

John 3:5 says you must be born of water and the spirit. Right? There's more after that. Jesus goes on to say, "Flesh is born of the flesh, and spirit of the spirit". This means "water" is "flesh". The saying, "born again" (which also means, born "from above) refers to a second birth in spirit, as opposed to the first birth in flesh by physical means through human parents.

It has to mean that or the context of Jesus' words don't make sense. There is no reason to think that water baptism is connected to the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Gospel of John says that Jesus didn't baptise anybody because the Holy Spirit had not come until after his death and ascension. Plus, the Bible often refers to the Holy Spirit is like water, fire, wind, breath, etc.

But the main point is that if water baptism was regeneration by the Holy Spirit, then babies and adults would have a spiritual experience of God by either plunging them in water (which any swimming pool can do) or throwing water over them (which any bottle of water can do), a ritual that has nothing to do with anything spiritual occurring in the mind and soul of a person.

You could have been falsely convinced that by being water baptised you are saved. But if you have no spiritual change or experience of God thereby, there is no reason to think you are anything but deluded. Since if water baptism was salvation, and everybody agreed it was, you would have nobody to argue with here about it. It is clear enough that water baptism is not the regeneration of the spirit and soul and mind by God as the baptism of the Holy SPIRIT is.

John 3's lines were given to one particular person; what was he like, what did he represent? This will help you see why oversimplifying expressions can create strife.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

John 3's lines were given to one particular person; what was he like, what did he represent? This will help you see why oversimplifying expressions can create strife.

Jesus addressed Nicodemus not just personally, but it was written down in the New Testament for everybody to know, because that is God's will. Peter, Paul and John all talk about being "born again". So obviously this refers to everybody that is born again and not just to Nicodemus.

I don't see how your questions there helps me see anything at all, because you never offered an explanation for them. Am I supposed to just guess what you mean?

 

[EarlyActs]

Jesus addressed Nicodemus not just personally, but it was written down in the New Testament for everybody to know, because that is God's will. Peter, Paul and John all talk about being "born again". So obviously this refers to everybody that is born again and not just to Nicodemus.

I don't see how your questions there helps me see anything at all, because you never offered an explanation for them. Am I supposed to just guess what you mean?

He was a leader of Judaism in which the physical lineage was the deal breaker. Cp Jn 1 about 'not of human descent or will, etc.' Ch. 3 is not meant to elaborate on the expression; the term is actually 'anothen' which is 'from above' or 'from the 'top' of the story.' So it is another place where the NT is saying that there was one Israel based on faith all along and physical descent does not matter.

That would be abrupt news to Nic.

The real value of Jn 3 is 17+, the doctrine of justification from sin, the end of condemnation. Not the analogies about birth, wind, etc.

There really aren't many references to the new birth for all the modern noise. 1 each in Paul and Peter. Kind of thin compared to justification. The important point about the new birth is that it comes from understanding what justification actually is from Rom 3-5, and 8.

 

[donadams]

I Cor 15:3 does not say 'baptism died for your sins.'

Baptism is not mentioned in Rom 3:21-26 which is the 'Declaration of Independence' for a believer.

There is never confusion in the NT that a symbol is a reality. It is merely an exercise, an acknowledgement.

There were repentance movements in Judaism before Christ which baptised. But without the reality of what Christ did, they do not access what Christ did.

Sorry did not mention 1 cor 15:3

Don’t find the words “declaration of independence” here? Are you adding to scripture?

The sola is “Scripture is the only authority” not you and your personal interpretation or meaning adding to scripture.


Rom 3:21-26

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Faith includes baptismal regeneration”

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Baptism
Ez 36:25-27
Matt 28:19
Mk 16:16
Jn 3:5
Acts 2:38-9 & 8:36-38 & 23:16
Rom 6:3
Col 2:12
2 cor 12:13
Gal 3:27
2 Tim 1:10
Eph 2:1
2 cor 5:17
Eph 1:13 & 4:5 & 5:26
Titus 3:5
1 pet 1:2
1 pet 3:20-21


“Faith alone” Questions

where does ez 36: 25:27 Say “faith alone”?

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

Lk 8
The parable of the sower, all four had faith are they all not saved?


Lk 23:39 did not the bad thief say; save us? “Faith alone”?

Lk 18:14
Why did the publican not mention Jesus Christ or make a profession of belief, but prayer and virtue!

Why must we also suffer?
Faith alone not enough”?

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29 not called to believe alone but also to suffer for Christ’s sake.

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Where does it say “faith alone”?

“Faith alone” ain’t biblical!

Thanks friend

 

[donadams]

It can’t be explained how God through the Holy Spirit births his children.​

​

John 3​

​

New International Version​

​

​

Jesus Teaches Nicodemus​

3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]


You must receive the Living spiritual birth from the Spirit...it’s an act of God and NO OTHER!

… No greater jewel, therefore, can adorn our body and soul than baptism, for through it we become completely holy and blessed, Martin Luther!

He believed baptismal regeneration is being born again?

 

[donadams]

It can’t be explained how God through the Holy Spirit births his children.​

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John 3​

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Jesus Teaches Nicodemus​

3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]


You must receive the Living spiritual birth from the Spirit...it’s an act of God and NO OTHER!

By water and the spirit as the cause, what’s the water for?

 

[EarlyActs]

The other thing that people miss is that Nicodemus as "the teacher of Israel" should have been able to discern this truth of being born again from the OT Scriptures.

So, the concept and truth of this isn't nearly as narrow as one is making it out to be. FYI, I look at the OT saints as being born again, but not with the full knowledge of the mystery that has been revealed to us in the NT.

Then consider the numerous recipients of the NT epistles that address many believers in this manner. And that would include believers today as well.

All that belong to God must be and are born again.

But 'anothen' does not mean again, except if the original has been mentioned. 'From above' or 'from the 'top' of the story' (as in the 1st page) is better.

 

[donadams]

John 3:5 says you must be born of water and the spirit. Right? There's more after that. Jesus goes on to say, "Flesh is born of the flesh, and spirit of the spirit". This means "water" is "flesh". The saying, "born again" (which also means, born "from above) refers to a second birth in spirit, as opposed to the first birth in flesh by physical means through human parents.

It has to mean that or the context of Jesus' words don't make sense. There is no reason to think that water baptism is connected to the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Gospel of John says that Jesus didn't baptise anybody because the Holy Spirit had not come until after his death and ascension. Plus, the Bible often refers to the Holy Spirit is like water, fire, wind, breath, etc.

But the main point is that if water baptism was regeneration by the Holy Spirit, then babies and adults would have a spiritual experience of God by either plunging them in water (which any swimming pool can do) or throwing water over them (which any bottle of water can do), a ritual that has nothing to do with anything spiritual occurring in the mind and soul of a person.

You could have been falsely convinced that by being water baptised you are saved. But if you have no spiritual change or experience of God thereby, there is no reason to think you are anything but deluded. Since if water baptism was salvation, and everybody agreed it was, you would have nobody to argue with here about it. It is clear enough that water baptism is not the regeneration of the spirit and soul and mind by God as the baptism of the Holy SPIRIT is.

Then why did John prepare by baptism
Why did they go to the river (water) and baptize?

Jn 3:22

Justified with sanctifying grace not saved unless we endure to the end
Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13

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