Argument against the Doctrine of the Trinity. (And keep it clean, please.)

[Paul]

You are not Oneness or Modualist are you?

No. Its Father and His Son and living in His Son its all the fullness of the Fathers Deity. Just as Jesus stated. The Father living in me doing His work. They are one in that manner. The Fathers works Jesus performed testify to this oneness. This glory of oneness Jesus received from His God and Father.

 

[Josheb]

nt

 

[Josheb]

Holy Spirit is himself very God, but that other Poster seemed to deny Deity of Jesus though

No, The HS is the Fathers Spirit. Not a child or 3rd person. The Father is unbegotten. The Fathers Spirit would have the Fathers nature. Deity.

Thanks, but I will await the answer from the specific person originally asked the question.

 

[Paul]

Thanks, but I will await the answer from the specific person originally asked the question.

yes, your free to wait. I didn't mean to upset you.

 

[Josheb]

yes, your free to wait. I didn't mean to upset you.

??? Who said I was upset?

 

[JesusFan]

No. Its Father and His Son and living in His Son its all the fullness of the Fathers Deity. Just as Jesus stated. The Father living in me doing His work. They are one in that manner. The Fathers works Jesus performed testify to this oneness. This glory of oneness Jesus received from His God and Father.

Is Jesus very God Himself then, or a man who has the power of God in Him now ?

 

[JesusFan]

No. Its Father and His Son and living in His Son its all the fullness of the Fathers Deity. Just as Jesus stated. The Father living in me doing His work. They are one in that manner. The Fathers works Jesus performed testify to this oneness. This glory of oneness Jesus received from His God and Father.

One in purpose, but not both equally God?

 

[Eleanor]

No, The HS is the Fathers Spirit. Not a child or 3rd person. The Father is unbegotten. The Fathers Spirit would have the Fathers nature. Deity.

Both the Son (Jn 8:42, 16:27, 28, 17:8) and the Holy Spirit (Jn 15:26) proceed forth from within God the father.
Both the Son and the Holy Spirit are distinct persons, the Father sending both the Son (Jn 5:23, 36, 43) and the Holy Spirit (Jn 15:26, 16:7) and the Son also sending the Holy Spirit (Jn 15:26, 16:7).

One doesn't send oneself, one sends another.
None of the three person are the other.

 

[makesends]

Incorrect. What @Paul posted is quite relevant.


Is the Holy Spirit created?

How is what @Eleanor stated —that what @Paul said—"Not always"—is irrelevant— incorrect?

It is irrelevant to what Eleanor had said. His comments are boxing the wind.

 

[Paul]

Both the Son (Jn 8:42, 16:27, 28, 17:8) and the Holy Spirit (Jn 15:26) proceed forth from within God the father.
Both the Son and the Holy Spirit are distinct persons, the Father sending both the Son (Jn 5:23, 36, 43) and the Holy Spirit (Jn 15:26, 16:7) and the Son also sending the Holy Spirit (Jn 15:26, 16:7).

One doesn't send oneself, one sends another.
None of the three person are the other.

God sent His Son and His Spirit into the world.

 

[Paul]

One in purpose, but not both equally God?

More than one in purpose. The Glory of oneness was gifted to Him by God for in Him all the fullness of the Fathers Deity dwells.
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

The Father is the true God and is greater than all. In a manner of speaking the Son is the begotten God and it's the Deity of the First and last in Him not another Deity. Two persons, One Deity.

But about the Son who is one with God in the Deity that lives in Him without limit. He is all that the Father is. (Mighty God in this context)

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.
The image of the invisible God

A begotten Son, (His spirit), who is and was chosen before all things in the form of God for God's fullness lives in Him.

And God has placed all things, even our very lives, in the hands of His anointed one so that only in regard to His own throne is His authority greater. God's Christ has sovereign authority.

One God our Father and One Christ our Lord -just two persons

 

[Paul]

Is Jesus very God Himself then, or a man who has the power of God in Him now ?

He has always been the Son. God's firstborn.

Begotten, (His spirit) before all ages by the Father alone. The Deity without limit, (fullness), that was pleased to live in Him was gifted not begotten.

The Son who was, His spirit, descended into the body that was prepared for Him. As we read the Father is living in Him. They are one.

He ascended to where He was BEFORE.

"Father into your hands I commit My Spirit"

So its yes and No.
Is Jesus God?
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.
He lives by the Father in Him and never dies.

The throne of God and the lamb forever and forever.

 

[Arial]

More than one in purpose. The Glory of oneness was gifted to Him by God for in Him all the fullness of the Fathers Deity dwells.
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

The Father is the true God and is greater than all. In a manner of speaking the Son is the begotten God and it's the Deity of the First and last in Him not another Deity. Two persons, One Deity.

But about the Son who is one with God in the Deity that lives in Him without limit. He is all that the Father is. (Mighty God in this context)

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.
The image of the invisible God

A begotten Son, (His spirit), who is and was chosen before all things in the form of God for God's fullness lives in Him.

And God has placed all things, even our very lives, in the hands of His anointed one so that only in regard to His own throne is His authority greater. God's Christ has sovereign authority.

One God our Father and One Christ our Lord -just two persons

Is Jesus a created human?

 

[JesusFan]

He has always been the Son. God's firstborn.

Begotten, (His spirit) before all ages by the Father alone. The Deity without limit, (fullness), that was pleased to live in Him was gifted not begotten.

The Son who was, His spirit, descended into the body that was prepared for Him. As we read the Father is living in Him. They are one.

He ascended to where He was BEFORE.

"Father into your hands I commit My Spirit"

So its yes and No.
Is Jesus God?
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.
He lives by the Father in Him and never dies.

The throne of God and the lamb forever and forever.

Is Jesus as much God as the Father, are they both eternally God?

 

[JesusFan]

Is Jesus a created human?

Still concerned that he is having either an arian, Oneness, or Modualist Jesus here?

 

[JesusFan]

God sent His Son and His Spirit into the world.

Are each of them as much God as the Father is?

 

[Eleanor]

God sent His Son and His Spirit into the world.

Both proceed forth from within God the Father (post #90).

Which makes three distinct divine persons (deity), Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

 

[Arial]

Still concerned that he is having either an arian, Oneness, or Modualist Jesus here?

Yes. There seems (to me) to be an evasiveness in answering the question on the deity of Christ. I could be wrong. It wouldn't' be the first time.

 

[JesusFan]

Yes. Their seems (to me) to be an evasiveness in answering the question on the deity of Christ. I could be wrong. It wouldn't' be the first time.

JW also use same terminology as Jesus to them is a god, and Holy Spirit is power of God

 

[Josheb]

How is what @Eleanor stated —that what @Paul said—"Not always"—is irrelevant— incorrect?

It is irrelevant to what Eleanor had said. His comments are boxing the wind.

Scriptures pertaining to the attributes of Jesus and the HS are relevant to the matter of the trinity (and/or the divinity of Jesus and/or the Separate Sacred Spirit).