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A Question for the Arminian

I may be out of my league asking this, but I see this as a crucial matter.

"If Christ died for all, why did he predestinate only some to salvation?
He didn't die for all without exception. He died for all of the elect. He died for all it was purposed for him to die for----his sheep. "I lay down my life for my sheep." It is the elect he predestines to come to Christ and be conformed to his image. These he foreknew, and predestined, and these he called, and these he justified, and these he glorified.
 
Great question. I'm here for the answers.

(Do we have any Arminians to provide them? @Dave, you're the closest thing we have right now. What say you?)
 
I don't know why they would believe that. They would probably post John 3:16. You might want to ask, why does He call everyone with a general call, but only effectually calls some? I've got to do another post, so I'll mull this over later and get back.
 
He didn't die for all without exception. He died for all of the elect. He died for all it was purposed for him to die for----his sheep. "I lay down my life for my sheep." It is the elect he predestines to come to Christ and be conformed to his image. These he foreknew, and predestined, and these he called, and these he justified, and these he glorified.
This was a hypothetical question for the Arminian, not the Calvinist. (see title)
 
They would probably post John 3:16. You might want to ask, why does He call everyone with a general call, but only effectually calls some?
I thought the effectual call is dependent on Him predestinating some...

Romans 8:30 KJV
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

How would John 3:16 answer the question posed in the OP?
 
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I may be out of my league asking this, but I see this as a crucial matter.

"If Christ died for all, why did he predestinate only some to salvation?

Puts on Arminian hat:

God predestined only those whom he knew would choose him.

Puts on Calvinist hat:

A better question might be: Why did Christ die for those he knew would perish in unbelief?
 
I may be out of my league asking this, but I see this as a crucial matter.

"If Christ died for all, why did he predestinate only some to salvation?
So that God's Purpose in Election would Stand...

A lot of people we think are Arminians, are not Arminians; they are Provisionists. Arminians think God's Purpose in Election was to Predestine Believers...
 
Great subject. I am here to read and learn.
 
Puts on Arminian hat:

God predestined only those whom he knew would choose him.
Puts on the Calvinist cap
So by default, he knew those for whom He would die?
A better question might be: Why did Christ die for those he knew would perish in unbelief?
Switches the Calvinist for an Arminian cap
For the same reason, He predestined us with free will.
 
So that God's Purpose in Election would Stand...

A lot of people we think are Arminians, are not Arminians; they are Provisionists. Arminians think God's Purpose in Election was to Predestine Believers...
So Provisionists reject predestination?
 
Puts on the Calvinist cap

So, by default he knew those for whom he would die?

Responding as an Arminian: You could say that. I might nit-pick the word "default" there but, essentially, yes.


Switches the Calvinist for an Arminian cap
For the same reason, he predestined us with free will.

Responding as a Calvinist: I cannot decipher how that answers my question. Are you saying, "Because otherwise the free offer of the gospel is not genuine"? If so, I would raise two objections:

(1) The gospel is a royal proclamation (by definition), not a contingency offer. It is announced as an accomplished fact and pressed upon all hearers as an unconditional command (to repent and believe). Salvation is not a suspended transaction awaiting human activation.

(2) The message of the gospel is genuine because it is tied to the truthfulness of the message: In good faith, God commands every human being to repent and promises that every penitent believer will certainly be saved. That statement is true regardless of how many respond because it doesn't imply an intent by God to save each individual; it asserts a plainly conditional promise. A parent can sincerely say to all children at the table, "Anyone who finishes the vegetables may have dessert," without implying any intention by the parent to guarantee that every child will eat the vegetables.

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gospel (noun): Good news (εὐαγγέλιον), the announced accomplishment of God's saving act in Christ. The gospel is not an invitation awaiting acceptance, it is the definitive proclamation that God has fulfilled his redemptive promises in the crucified and risen Christ Jesus, summoning all peoples to repentance and faith.
 
Puts on Calvinist hat:

A better question might be: Why did Christ die for those he knew would perish in unbelief?
Responding as a Calvinist: I cannot decipher how that answers my question. Are you saying, "Because otherwise the free offer of the gospel is not genuine"? If so, I would raise two objections:
I figured your first response was what Calvinists already assert. I just liked my original question better, as it 'kills two birds', with one stone, besides predestinating is stronger than foreknowledge. (perhaps 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other?)
If Christ died for all, why did he predestinate only some to salvation?
The Gospel is genuine, revealing man's sinfulness in light of the cross and offering/proclaiming the blessing of atonement/reconciliation.
gospel (noun): Good news (εὐαγγέλιον), the announced accomplishment of God's saving act in Christ. The gospel is not an invitation awaiting acceptance, it is the definitive proclamation that God has fulfilled his redemptive promises in the crucified and risen Christ Jesus, summoning all peoples to repentance and faith.
Agreed.
 
I may be out of my league asking this, but I see this as a crucial matter.

"If Christ died for all, why did he predestinate only some to salvation?
Because he predestined according to his will

Whoever sees and believes

He predestined that they would be conformed to his image

Those who reject him in unbelief will not and they will remain condemned.
 
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