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I marked it "unsure" because I am not sure what you are saying either. To me---you have made a difference between "restored" and "reconciled" and then used them interchangeably without making the distinction. ("I think it has to be referring to that clinical use of restoring the lost elect who are grievously at odds with God, his justice being satisfied by Christ's substation."). That statement has no clear interpretation. It presents the possibility of both views---fellowship of the already reconciled or the forensic through faith in the work of Christ reconciliation. It is the "lost elect" combined with "are grievously at odds with God" that presents the confusion.Carbon said:
Well actually people can be reconciled to God because Jesus made that possible by the cross.
I think it may be worth mentioning, here, that "restore" and "reconcile" are not the same thing, even if they are related. In the clinical use of 'reconcile', such as in 'reconciling books' in accounting, it can mean something as clinical as justice satisfied after extreme variance, and in this case, it still can be used in "be reconciled to God" as the lost elect can be, but not, in the Reformed view, anyway, as restoring fellowship.
The Greek, from what I can tell, is even more specific, as 'restoring' would be the RESULT of 'reconciliation'. In this passage, "reconcile" is from the word that speaks of the specific means by which the restoration is accomplished—a mutual exchange or a change made to the unequal books. The Greek for 'restoration' is sometimes "reestablishment, restitution". There is some overlap of terms, but the sense is different.
In the first mention of the word, 'reconcile', I think it has to be referring to that clinical use, of restoring the lost elect who are grievously at odds with God, his justice being satisfied by Christ's substitution.
In the second, then, it seems to me to be addressing the lost among those to whom Paul is addressing.
There is no use of the word restore in any of the passages in question. 2Cor 5:17-21
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
The "reconciled" in vs 18-19 is the same "reconciled" in v. 20. In that I agree with you that possibly that is directed at any in the audience who may not have been reconciled or---it is possible that he is simply stating how is mission is being carried out--- by appealing to unbelievers to be reconciled to God. Which is what the gospel is about.
