1000 years of Revelation 20.

[CrowCross]

And I believe we are giving @CrowCross every opportunity to prove his pre-trib rapture and dispensationalism.

I'm still waiting for an adequate reply to the no white core at the 1 Thes 4:16 return.
So far all I have heard is unsupported cases that Rev 19 is purely symbolic...and Jesus never comes to the earth.

Next there is the time of Noah ...If Jesus comes at the end of the tribulation...do you think there will be good times?

Next there is the verses that tell us Christians are not destined for the tribulation wrath.

There is the biblical fact that the church isn't mentioned after Rev 5.

We haven't gotten here yet but there is the way in which the pre-trib view parallels the early Jewish weddings of that time.

All I hear so far is a bunch of nay-sayers who haven't biblically supported one ounce of their view.
Instead of nay-saying Carbon...when will you support your view?

 

[Carbon]

I'm still waiting for an adequate reply to the no white core at the 1 Thes 4:16 return.
So far all I have heard is unsupported cases that Rev 19 is purely symbolic...and Jesus never comes to the earth.

Next there is the time of Noah ...If Jesus comes at the end of the tribulation...do you think there will be good times?

Next there is the verses that tell us Christians are not destined for the tribulation wrath.

There is the biblical fact that the church isn't mentioned after Rev 5.

We haven't gotten here yet but there is the way in which the pre-trib view parallels the early Jewish weddings of that time.

All I hear so far is a bunch of nay-sayers who haven't biblically supported one ounce of their view.
Instead of nay-saying Carbon...when will you support your view?

Sorry, my friend, but the days of bullying most of the Christian church into dispensationalism are over. Darby and his blind followers do not have the influence they once had. IMO, the enemy has done his damage. Stop buying into it.

 

[CrowCross]

Why can't I get into Eschatology??

You're currently in the end times. Look up, your redemption draws near.

 

[Bruiser]

You're currently in the end times. Look up, your redemption draws near.

Yeah, that's where I'm at. I do recognize that each Eschat has their positive reasons for their Paradigm...

I almost feel like a kid again, and I can't play Kick Ball. Y'all would pick me last...

 

[CrowCross]

Sorry, my friend, but the days of bullying most of the Christian church into dispensationalism are over. Darby and his blind followers do not have the influence they once had. IMO, the enemy has done his damage. Stop buying into it.

Before you continue to bad-mouth and demonize the pre-trib rapture...why don't you present your eschatology?
Show us where Rev is symbolic...even the 1,000 years reign.

All you guys do is deny, deny and deny...

I am taken back by the fact that you would call pre-trib rapture believe as BLIND FOLLOWERS....especially after I have presented YOU, YOU, YOU Carbon with verse after verse and presented reasons why there will be a pre-trib rapture....and you DEMONIZE me by saying I'm a blind follower of Darby?

Do you know Darby didn't invent the rapture idea...the early christians spoke and wrote of it. If I presented you with a few articles showing they did...will you stop the mocking?

 

[Reformedguy]

Sorry, my friend, but the days of bullying most of the Christian church into dispensationalism are over. Darby and his blind followers do not have the influence they once had. IMO, the enemy has done his damage. Stop buying into it.

But but my verses.......

 

[Carbon]

Before you continue to bad-mouth and demonize the pre-trib rapture...why don't you present your eschatology?
Show us where Rev is symbolic...even the 1,000 years reign.

All you guys do is deny, deny and deny...

I am taken back by the fact that you would call pre-trib rapture believe as BLIND FOLLOWERS....especially after I have presented YOU, YOU, YOU Carbon with verse after verse and presented reasons why there will be a pre-trib rapture....and you DEMONIZE me by saying I'm a blind follower of Darby?

Do you know Darby didn't invent the rapture idea...the early christians spoke and wrote of it. If I presented you with a few articles showing they did...will you stop the mocking?

Well, I think I did a decent job presenting some info for you the last time we debated this, which you also brushed off as if I didn't. If I can show your dispensationalism off in other areas, like God having two plans, one for the Christian church and one for the Jews, would that help? The whole hermanumic if off in left field.

 

[Bruiser]

But but my verses.......

As my Thread about Sound Doctrine being as Good or better than Verses

 

[Carbon]

Before you continue to bad-mouth and demonize the pre-trib rapture...why don't you present your eschatology?
Show us where Rev is symbolic...even the 1,000 years reign.

Just keep in mind, I am not badmouthing you personally, only the system that has Hoodwinked so many Christians.

All you guys do is deny, deny and deny...

Well, aren't we, being Christians, supposed to deny false teachings? Whatever happened to being like a Berean?

I am taken back by the fact that you would call pre-trib rapture believe as BLIND FOLLOWERS....

I'm taken back that you agree with dispensationalism.

especially after I have presented YOU, YOU, YOU Carbon with verse after verse and presented reasons why there will be a pre-trib rapture....

I believe you have taken them out of context and misused scripture. However, I do believe you are sincere, just deceived.

and you DEMONIZE me by saying I'm a blind follower of Darby?

I didn't demonize you. If you define what I said in that way, I have to believe there is more here than meets the eye. Are you so upset that other Christians disagree with you that it has such a heavy impact on you?

Do you know Darby didn't invent the rapture idea...the early christians spoke and wrote of it.

Whetehr darby invented it or not, there was no legit dispensational belief in the early church. However, we do know there were errors the early church had to work through. Darby made it popular because before him, it was not a legit teaching in the church.

If I presented you with a few articles showing they did...will you stop the mocking?

I'm not mocking. What is this, if I disagree with you, I'm all wrong, and on the wrong side? Now, who is demonizing who?

 

[Arial]

I'm still waiting for an adequate reply to the no white core at the 1 Thes 4:16 return.
So far all I have heard is unsupported cases that Rev 19 is purely symbolic...and Jesus never comes to the earth.

I didn't explain because the specific meaning symbols is not the subject except for the 1000 years. You are asking for something that belongs in a whole other thread. I will start one dealing with that one set of scriptures just for you. But it is not like I have never addressed the specifics with you before. I have in long dead threads. All I got back was scoffing and no engagement with what was said. So hopefully, even prayerfully for the sake of the civility of this forum, this next time will be met actual discussion of what I have presented. And that will require you to demonstrate that I am wrong by something more that repeating your opinion and interpretation.

I don't know if I will get to it today or tomorrow.

So far all I have heard is unsupported cases that Rev 19 is purely symbolic...and Jesus never comes to the earth.

Quote where someone said that.

Next there is the time of Noah ...If Jesus comes at the end of the tribulation...do you think there will be good times?

Your definition of tribulation or Scriptures definition?

Next there is the verses that tell us Christians are not destined for the tribulation wrath.

There aren't any such scriptures. Jesus and Paul tell us that tribulation is a part of being in Christ. Tribulation is not God's wrath. Scripture says Christians are not destined for God's wrath. You define a specific seven-year period as that wrath and decide that if we are here, he is venting his wrath on us. It is misuse of Scripture and improperly handling the word of God.

There is the biblical fact that the church isn't mentioned after Rev 5.

It is mentioned often and like the rest of the visions it is protrayed with imagery. It is amazing you can't see it.

All I hear so far is a bunch of nay-sayers who haven't biblically supported one ounce of their view.

That is on you not them. When the support is given, it meets, sarcastic, dismissive, contemptuous remarks but no discussion of what was given.

 

[Carbon]

Before you continue to bad-mouth and demonize the pre-trib rapture...why don't you present your eschatology?
Show us where Rev is symbolic...even the 1,000 years reign.

All you guys do is deny, deny and deny...

I am taken back by the fact that you would call pre-trib rapture believe as BLIND FOLLOWERS....especially after I have presented YOU, YOU, YOU Carbon with verse after verse and presented reasons why there will be a pre-trib rapture....and you DEMONIZE me by saying I'm a blind follower of Darby?

Do you know Darby didn't invent the rapture idea...the early christians spoke and wrote of it. If I presented you with a few articles showing they did...will you stop the mocking?

13But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. 1 Thess 4.

Please show me where this is a teaching about the pre-trib rapture of the church?

 

[Bruiser]

13But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. 1 Thess 4.

Please show me where this is a teaching about the pre-trib rapture of the church?

We all have Verses. It reminds me of my Point about Doctrine and Theology being as Good as Scripture. Theology is more than Verses and Passages...

I told a Provisionist a week ago that he was trying to box me in. If I played by his rules and only used his Verses; I'd lose, I couldn't win. I told him I had to use All Scripture. The conversation ended...

Of course, I don't know enough about Eschatology to plead CrowCross' case...

 

[Marty]

Face-palm.

What ever you say Marty.

That’s your reply?

You ask me to do something I did it and that’s your reply? A Cocky answer and avoidance!

Why would anyone debate with you anymore you don’t play fair which isn’t Christian like manor

 

[Carbon]

That’s your reply?

You ask me to do something I did it and that’s your reply? A Cocky answer and avoidance!

Why would anyone debate with you anymore you don’t play fair which isn’t Christian like manor

I agree. And it's too bad, I'm not sure why he comes here, really.

 

[Marty]

You still haven't told me what my post means. The one I quoted for you twice and asked you twice to tell me what it meant. The above is just another deflection t avoid the question. Why is that?

You can’t debate accurately when both parties don’t play by the rules

 

[Reformedguy]

I agree. And it's too bad, I'm not sure why he comes here, really.

Should be getting rapture ready. Could be any day now. For 2000 years now.

 

[Marty]

I agree. And it's too bad, I'm not sure why he comes here, really.

The way one debates shows the heart

 

[Carbon]

Should be getting rapture ready. Could be any day now. For 2000 years now.

Oh, I believe we are all (believers) going to meet the Lord in the air, but thats at His Second Coming.

 

[Carbon]

The way one debates shows the heart

Yes, that's true.

 

[Bruiser]

The way one debates shows the heart

Why doesn't someone challenge him to a Private Debate, with my Rules in effect?

instead of Calvinism, change it to Eschatology...