1000 years of Revelation 20.

[Carbon]

Why doesn't someone challenge him to a Private Debate, with my Rules in effect?

instead of Calvinism, change it to Eschatology...

That's a great idea.

 

[Marty]

Why can't I get into Eschatology??

If you go into it completely neutral and forget everything you have heard and stick directly with the scriptures you will see the truth

You will see what the scripture says and what it doesn’t say

 

[Marty]

Why doesn't someone challenge him to a Private Debate, with my Rules in effect?

instead of Calvinism, change it to Eschatology...

Because of post #213,

 

[Bruiser]

If you go into it completely neutral and forget everything you have heard and stick directly with the scriptures you will see the truth

You will see what the scripture says and what it doesn’t say

I would like that...

My problem is that I read Last Days Madness. I've never had any book that I highlighted so much that it looked like a coloring book. I also wrote more notes in it than any other book I've had. I don't think this will ever let me take Futurism seriously...

I swear I'm not a Full Preterist...

 

[Marty]

I would like that...

My problem is that I read Last Days Madness. I've never had any book that I highlighted so much that it looked like a coloring book. I also wrote more notes in it than any other book I've had. I don't think this will ever let me take Futurism seriously...

I swear I'm not a Full Preterist...

If you stick to the bible and let the scriptures interpret the scriptures you will see truth

I don’t know that book I would probably like it but the bible shows you that a literal mark of the beast contradicts John 3:16 but that should be another thread

 

[Bruiser]

If you stick to the bible and let the scriptures interpret the scriptures you will see truth

I don’t know that book I would probably like it but the bible shows you that a literal mark of the beast contradicts John 3:16 but that should be another thread

See, now I don't understand that

 

[CrowCross]

Well, I think I did a decent job presenting some info for you the last time we debated this, which you also brushed off as if I didn't. If I can show your dispensationalism off in other areas, like God having two plans, one for the Christian church and one for the Jews, would that help? The whole hermanumic if off in left field.

God isn't done with Israel yet.

They both need to recognize Jesus as Lord and savior...but God will deliver the Jews as promised.

 

[Marty]

See, now I don't understand that

Revelation 14:11And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name

The verse above implies that those who take the mark can’t repent. What did Jesus say the only sin you can’t repent from is?

Matthew 12

The Unpardonable Sin​

31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Jesus teaches that rejection of who the Holy Spirit is, is the unforgivable sin, thus a literal mark contradicts John 3:16 that whoever believes will be saved

The mark is symbolic for unrepentant rejection of the Holy Spirit

 

[CrowCross]

Just keep in mind, I am not badmouthing you personally, only the system that has Hoodwinked so many Christians.

Hoodwinked????? Hows that?

 

[CrowCross]

That’s your reply?

You ask me to do something I did it and that’s your reply? A Cocky answer and avoidance!

Why would anyone debate with you anymore you don’t play fair which isn’t Christian like manor

I've presented you with the verses that Rev 19 Jesus returns to earth. .
Your claim is Jesus won't return to earth. What can I say????

 

[Marty]

I've presented you with the verses that Rev 19 Jesus returns to earth. .
Your claim is Jesus won't return to earth. What can I say????

Well I never claimed that Jesus won’t return to the earth, stick to what I actually say and not what I didn’t say

 

[CrowCross]

Revelation 14:11And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name

The verse above implies that those who take the mark can’t repent. What did Jesus say the only sin you can’t repent from is?

Matthew 12

The Unpardonable Sin​

31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Jesus teaches that rejection of who the Holy Spirit is, is the unforgivable sin, thus a literal mark contradicts John 3:16 that whoever believes will be saved

The mark is symbolic for unrepentant rejection of the Holy Spirit

The mark is literal. It will allow you to by and sell.....How will a symbol do that?

 

[Marty]

The mark is literal. It will allow you to by and sell.....How will a symbol do that?

I test the true meaning of scripture with scripture because the scripture can’t contradict itself

 

[CrowCross]

Well I never claimed that Jesus won’t return to the earth, stick to what I actually say and not what I didn’t say

Then show me where Jesus returns to earth.....and show why Rev 19 isn't the return of Christ to earth.

 

[CrowCross]

I test the true meaning of scripture with scripture because the scripture can’t contradict itself

It hasn't.

 

[Bruiser]

Revelation 14:11And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name

The verse above implies that those who take the mark can’t repent. What did Jesus say the only sin you can’t repent from is?

Matthew 12

The Unpardonable Sin​

31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Jesus teaches that rejection of who the Holy Spirit is, is the unforgivable sin, thus a literal mark contradicts John 3:16 that whoever believes will be saved

The mark is symbolic for unrepentant rejection of the Holy Spirit

I'm not Pressing, I just don't get it. I'm sure it's me...

I think in Categories and in Category Mistakes. How are you making the Mark of the Beast the same Category as Whosoever believes shall be Saved?

If I totally misunderstood you; that's normal for me when it comes to Eschatology...

 

[Marty]

I'm not Pressing, I just don't get it. I'm sure it's me...

I think in Categories and in Category Mistakes. How are you making the Mark of the Beast the same Category as Whosoever believes shall be Saved?

If I totally misunderstood you; that's normal for me when it comes to Eschatology...

No problem lol

Revelation teaches that you can’t repent from taking the mark of the beast

Jesus teaches that unrepentant rejection of the Holy Sprit is the only unforgivable sin

A literal mark of the beast can’t be the unforgivable sin because that violates the promise of scriptures like John 3:16.

John 3:16 says that whoever believes in the son of man (repents and accepts Jesus as their saviour) will be forgiven and not perish

Thus the mark of the beast is a symbolic for a constant unrepentant devotion to the beast

This is proven by the mark on the right hand (symbolic of what you do) your actions

And by the mark on the forehead (symbolic of what you believe and are devoted too)

 

[Marty]

Then show me where Jesus returns to earth.....and show why Rev 19 isn't the return of Christ to earth.

How about If you go back and address the verses that you asked me for to show my view from scripture (the ones that show revelation 20:4 was a current reality in the time of Paul) then I will address this question

 

[Bruiser]

No problem lol

Revelation teaches that you can’t repent from taking the mark of the beast

Jesus teaches that unrepentant rejection of the Holy Sprit is the only unforgivable sin

A literal mark of the beast can’t be the unforgivable sin because that violates the promise of scriptures like John 3:16.

John 3:16 says that whoever believes in the son of man (repents and accepts Jesus as their saviour) will be forgiven and not perish

Thus the mark of the beast is a symbolic for a constant unrepentant devotion to the beast

This is proven by the mark on the right hand (symbolic of what you do) your actions

And by the mark on the forehead (symbolic of what you believe and are devoted too)

Ah, I think I get it. I've often said that taking the Mark can't hurt the Unconditional Elect. The Elect wouldn't take the Mark, but if they did; there's no Condition that excludes anyone from being Chosen...

The Elect, won't reject...

 

[CrowCross]

Revelation teaches that you can’t repent from taking the mark of the beast

Where???