That is NOT what was requested. What I asked for was a verse explicitly reporting an unsaved, unregenerate non-believing person coming to God for salvation in which the scriptures explicitly attribute the cause of his actions to the faculties of his or her sinful flesh.
I never said any such thing. What I did say is the salvation mentioned in Romans 10 is eschatological, not soteriological. What I said was the verses you selectively removed from their stated contexts was written ABOUT believers, not just to believers.
Josh, just so you know, this isn't just for you, this seems to be the consensus here with the main people. This is just as much for Carbon, John, Eleanor, Arial, Hazel, etc. ladodgerfan, etc. makesends who elaborated that same point in post #98 in that same thread, calling it a "
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Josh said:
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Do not conflate justification with salvation. That is Catholicism. There's not a single place in scripture where we can find "saved by faith" stated."
"That verse was written by a born again, regenerate, saved believer to born again, regenerate, saved believers about the faith of those born again, regenerate, saved believers."
From post 94, same thread.
"No, what it "says" is those to whom the verse was written who already had God-gifted faith in Jesus will be saved. It does not say anyone and everyone who believes in Jesus will be saved and it most definitely does not state faith causes salvation. The "you" in that verse is already saved people. If the verse was reduced to its barest truth it would simply say the saved will be saved. I know that sound redundant to many but once the audience affiliation is established it cannot be denied that Paul is writing to already saved people. The saved to whom he was writing will be saved if they confess Jesus and believe with their heart God raised from the grave."
"Romans 10:9 that if you [the brethren] confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you [the brethren] will be saved. I've already exegeted the text to show it was written to and about Christians, not non-believers. Paul identified his audience at the beginning of the epistle. He identified his audience, those to whom his words applied, throughout the epistle. At the beginning of chapter 10 he again identifies the "you" of his epistle. That "you" is "the brethren.""
"Paul did NOT write, If they confess with their mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in their heart that God raised him from the dead, they will be saved."
"And the "you" in that verse is the brethren, not non-believers. The brethren are already saved from sin. They were not yet saved from either the destruction of Israel in the immensely surrounding persecution of Christians that preceded and followed the flattening of Roman-occupied Israel, or their own death and visit with the grave. If they, the brethren, believed then they, the brethren, would be saved.""
"The fact is our new birth and regeneration is not complete, either 
. We have not been raised incorruptible and immortal. If 2 Corinthians 5:8 is to be read exactly as written, then they've gone further in their salvation then you or I 
. They, the OT saints, have been made complete in the Church and, being out of the body, they ae with the Lord."
We are saved through resurrection of Jesus Christ is speaking of both justification and being given a new heart, born again. When we first believe, we are freed/delivered/saved from both the penalty of sin, and the power of sin. What frees us from the power of sin is being born again. That's what raised up with Christ means. All as a result of being placed into Him, the baptism with the Holy Spirit, which is the result of faith. When the Bible speaks of being saved, it's speaking of the penalty of sin, that's justification, and the power of sin, that born again. Then we only need to become what we are already reckoned to be in Christ. To live out what God sees us as in Jesus.
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You said in that same post in the same thread
"You can say as many times as you like but ad nauseam does not make anything correct. If you mean the promise of the Holy Spirit is realized in baptism then that is true, but it is not water baptism in which that promise is realized. It is in the baptism of the Holy Spirit that the promise of the Holy Spirit is realized. Apollos and the Acts 19 group of believers proves that fact."
Now this I agree with, though John doesn't. That might be something to build from.
I can point to a verse that explicitly states what I posted. In other words, I presented scripture exactly as it is written, without any embellishment or added interpretation. Ephesians 2:8 explicitly states we are saved by grace. The same verse explicitly states we are saved through faith (not by faith). Verse 10 explicitly states we are created in Christ for good works.
Yes but 'through faith' means faith first, then saved. Thus it's through faith. That's why works is contrasted with faith. It's grace, it's not of works therefore it's not a process, it's an immediate result of being placed into Christ, the baptism, which is a result of faith. In short, 'through faith' in that passage means 'by faith', it's just emphasizing what it's pointing to. Which is exactly what Paul said here.
Romans 10:9-13that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For
"whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
And that's the word of faith (Gospel) we preach.
Here, Paul calls it that message the Gospel of peace, and then the Gospel. And faith comes by hearing the Word of God.
14-17 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!" But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
What Paul said in Romans 10:9-13 is the Gospel. You seem to disagree.
Josh
"Paul did NOT write, If they confess with their mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in their heart that God raised him from the dead, they will be saved."
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