Why Did God Tell Israel That He is One?

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Fred and Binyawmene,

You already tried using Psalm 110:1, but this passage refutes your false assertion about Jesus.

Yes, Psalm 110:1 is clear evidence that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is a human, now exalted to sit at the right hand of the One God the Father, in God the Father's Throne and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection.

Do you have a link to that thread?

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/the-yahweh-name.932/

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TMSO]

Says you. I have already debunked that idea.

To debunk in your own mind is not to debunk. How did the Jews respond to what Jesus had to say about Abraham? You are not yet 50 years old yet you claim to know Abraham? They easily put together the pieces that what Jesus was saying was impossible for a man/human. Jesus said He existed before Abraham existed. ("To become" can simply be replaced with "was" with no loss of meaning.) That I AM was why the people moved to stone Him. Consider that in Hebrew, that is the same as what God gave His name as.

 

[LeviR]

To debunk in your own mind is not to debunk. How did the Jews respond to what Jesus had to say about Abraham? You are not yet 50 years old yet you claim to know Abraham? They easily put together the pieces that what Jesus was saying was impossible for a man/human. Jesus said He existed before Abraham existed. ("To become" can simply be replaced with "was" with no loss of meaning.) That I AM was why the people moved to stone Him. Consider that in Hebrew, that is the same as what God gave His name as.

Trinitarians force Jesus to say something he did not. “Was born” ???

Please show from scripture where that verb used, meaning “to become”, can be replaced with “was”. or “was born” or “existed”. As Trinitarians have done.

 

[TMSO]

Trinitarians force Jesus to say something he did not. “Was born” ???

Please show from scripture where that verb used, meaning “to become”, can be replaced with “was”. or “was born” or “existed”. As Trinitarians have done.

Direct quote: "57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[b] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”"

From the lexicon:

was born,

γενέσθαι (genesthai)

1096: to come into being, to happen, to become

from a prim. root gen-

I am."

εἰμί (eimi)

1510: I exist, I am

a prol. form of a prim. and defective verb

Jesus stated that He already existed before Abraham existed. This was following the question that Jesus was not yet 50 years old, yet claimed to have attended Abraham.

"56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”" [one of the translation of the word for seen is attended. That is waited on Abraham.]

It was clear to the people what Jesus was saying which is why:
"59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple."

Blasphemy.

 

[Fred]

Greetings again Fred and Binyawmene,

Yes, Psalm 110:1 is clear evidence that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is a human, now exalted to sit at the right hand of the One God the Father,

More than that.
Since the Bible teaches the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer proves He is God.

 

[Fred]

I always wonder why the author of Hebrews mention the Son is the creator LORD in Hebrews 1:10. But he follows that up with a quote of Psalms 110:1 in Hebrews 1:13. Almost like the author is pointing out the two LORDs are distinct, but yet are the same LORD like in Psalms 110:5. Can you go into more details, Fred? Thanks.

Good observation.

The same can be said concerning Acts 2:34-35 with "the Lord" (in reference to Jesus being YHWH) in Acts 2:21.

Some who deny Jesus is God will sometimes refer to Psalm 110:1 but when it is quoted both in Hebrews 1 and in Acts 2 it is without question affirming Jesus is God.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings TMSO,

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.

When did Abraham "rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad"? What is this referring to?

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Mr GLee]

Good observation.

The same can be said concerning Acts 2:34-35 with "the Lord" (in reference to Jesus being YHWH) in Acts 2:21.

Some who deny Jesus is God will sometimes refer to Psalm 110:1 but when it is quoted both in Hebrews 1 and in Acts 2 it is without question affirming Jesus is God.

Jesus as the Christ (anointing teacher) .Not Jesus as the Son of man. Dying mankind must be born again from above.

 

[Fred]

Jesus as the Christ (anointing teacher) .Not Jesus as the Son of man. Dying mankind must be born again from above.

You are in error.

The Son of Man (Acts 7:56) is the proper recipient of prayer (Acts 7:59-60) which proves He is God.

 

[Binyawmene]

Greetings again Fred and Binyawmene,

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/the-yahweh-name.932/

Kind regards
Trevor

Thanks for sharing the link to your thread. But that doesn't answer my question.

Why is 'the Christ' called "the LORD Our Righteous Savior?"

Jeremiah 23:5-6 The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The Lord Our Righteous Savior.​

What's your views on (2 Peter 1:1,1:11, 2:20, 3:2, 18)? Most Unitarians goes with the Two-Person view.

 

[Binyawmene]

Good observation.

The same can be said concerning Acts 2:34-35 with "the Lord" (in reference to Jesus being YHWH) in Acts 2:21.

Some who deny Jesus is God will sometimes refer to Psalm 110:1 but when it is quoted both in Hebrews 1 and in Acts 2 it is without question affirming Jesus is God.

Thanks Fred.

 

[Fred]

Thanks Fred.

Anytime.

I enjoy reading your posts and communicating with you for the glory of God.

 

[Mr GLee]

You are in error.

The Son of Man (Acts 7:56) is the proper recipient of prayer (Acts 7:59-60) which proves He is God.

Thanks for the reply .

Looking to the beginning of the matter (no cherry picking).

Faith (belief) let there be power as it is written

No faith. The mystery of faith (understanding the unseen things of God ) remains a mystery

The warning is to the kind of fathers that followed after the oral traditons of dying mankind And not the unseen powerful work of the Holy Spirit of Christ the husband as it is written They resisted the unseen spiritual understanding

Walking by faith. Christ's faithful powerful understanding in us working with us

Acts 7:51-57 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

He was given a vision or theophany It was like the theophany using Moses and Elijah . Peter misunderstood and desired to put God into a box .Not having the understanding of faith Power as it is written (sola scriptura)

In that way no man could see the face of God and live .We can see God face to face or faith (unseen) to faith (unseen) though his gospel as it is written .

Face to face in revealed knowledge

God is nor a Jewish man dying mankind as King of kings That would seem to be the goal of Satan. . . remove the unseen things of faith ..

Christ gives us little of his faith (understanding) calling believer you that have little faith .Just enough to please the Father with power to raise the dead.

Peter said increase your labor of love, work of faith (belief) by pouring out your Spirit life on dying flesh and blood

 

[Fred]

He was given a vision or theophany

The vision took place in the city (Acts 7:58).
The prayer took place after he was cast out of the city (Acts 7:59-60)

 

[Mr GLee]

Thanks for sharing the link to your thread. But that doesn't answer my question.

Why is 'the Christ' called "the LORD Our Righteous Savior?"

Jeremiah 23:5-6 The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The Lord Our Righteous Savior.​

What's your views on (2 Peter 1:1,1:11, 2:20, 3:2, 18)? Most Unitarians goes with the Two-Person view.

Christ our one good teaching Father and husband the LORD Our Righteous Savior.

Christ invisible God demonstrated his faithful power to raise the dead using the powerless son of man Jesus as a sign to all the nations of the world .

A promised three days and night demonstration. using three different locations.. Valley garden, Hill Skull, and the tomb in order to reveal the spiritual understanding. seemingly three different purpose working as one demonstration .

The bruised heel Christ striking her seed dying mankind, her heel crushing the head of the serpent

The promise found in two place Genesis 3 and Isaiah 53.

Two kinds of seed one dead the other life

I would call it the bruised heel parable

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Isaiah 53:4-5 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

The first of the three part demonstration the work of two the dynamic dual the father not seen and Son of man seen began in the garden of Gethsemane There the father began to bruise his heel Jesus suffering to the point of death . Cried out for strength not as I will .looked for support from the other apostles. three time he awoke them three times the father put them to sleep to fulfil the prophecy of two working as one. The dynamic dual

Then they move to the hill as bloody demonstration skull the hanging on tree a sign of Jonah to all the nations of the world

The second demonstration as a sign giving the illusion it was the hands a of sinful Satn inspired crown that did the gospel work . In a hope of drawing mankind to he mystery solver sola scriptura The then move to the tomb demonstration of faith. The father removing the grave clothes and rolled back the stone the end . Sunday morning

Three is a crowd a more bloody popular demonstration . Mankind loves to see the blood. Both working as one is company .

 

[Mr GLee]

The vision took place in the city (Acts 7:58).
The prayer took place after he was cast out of the city (Acts 7:59-60)

Yes the vision theophany taught him what to pray for .

Without him we have no idea how to please. He knows what we need before he empowers us to make our request known. .

.1 Kings 8:38-40King James Version What prayer and supplication soever be made by any man, or by all thy people Israel, which shall know every man the plague of his own heart, and spread forth his hands toward this house: Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;

 

[Fred]

Yes the vision theophany taught him what to pray for .

And to whom to pray to.

 

[LeviR]

Direct quote: "57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[b] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”"

From the lexicon:

was born,

γενέσθαι (genesthai)

1096: to come into being, to happen, to become

from a prim. root gen-

I am."

εἰμί (eimi)

1510: I exist, I am

a prol. form of a prim. and defective verb

Jesus stated that He already existed before Abraham existed. This was following the question that Jesus was not yet 50 years old, yet claimed to have attended Abraham.

"56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”" [one of the translation of the word for seen is attended. That is waited on Abraham.]

It was clear to the people what Jesus was saying which is why:
"59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple."

Blasphemy.

I asked you to show from scripture where that verb can mean “was” or “was born” and you show me a Trinitarian lexicon that adds “to come into being” only because of John 8:58.

So again, I’ve debunked John 8:58. And I’ve also debunked John’s prologue.

The verb meaning “was born” is ἐγεννήθη

The verb used in John 8:58 is γενέσθαι which means “to become”. i.e.. “power to become sons of God”

 

[LeviR]

ἐγεννήθη — 7x in the N.T. means “was born”
Jhn 9:19 - And they asked them, saying, “Is this your son, who you say was born blind? How then does he now see?”
Jhn 9:20 - His parents answered them and said, “We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind;
Jhn 16:21 - “A woman, when she is in labor, has sorrow because her hour has come; but as soon as she has given birth to the child, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a human being has been born into the world.

Trinitarians replaced the verb meaning “ to become” with the verb meaning “was born” in John 8:58.

 

[makesends]

To debunk in your own mind is not to debunk. How did the Jews respond to what Jesus had to say about Abraham? You are not yet 50 years old yet you claim to know Abraham? They easily put together the pieces that what Jesus was saying was impossible for a man/human. Jesus said He existed before Abraham existed. ("To become" can simply be replaced with "was" with no loss of meaning.) That I AM was why the people moved to stone Him. Consider that in Hebrew, that is the same as what God gave His name as.

Wait a minute. Not to defend your opponent here —far from it!— but what do you mean, "("To become" can simply be replaced with "was" with no loss of meaning.)" ? Do you mean that the two translations are equally valid use of the originals, or do you mean that the two English renditions are the same in meaning? They do NOT mean the same thing.