What worldview?

[QVQ]

anthropocentric,

That is how I understood the OP. It is not comparative religion or denominational.

 

[ReverendRV]

Here I wish to discuss how one's worldview affects the way a person thinks, causes him to think what he does, and turns his speculations into conclusions.

But worse, by concluding, he sees no alternative in learning more or thinking farther. He is satisfied that now he understands.

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Mainly, I divide our worldviews into two categories: That of a God-centered World "...for from him and through him and to him are all things."; and that of a Man-centered world "God has made us so he can serve us and love us". The difference is stark --huge.

Among those both are, (remarkably, it seems to me), two further divisions: Those who assume that their words are actual meaning and capable of substance --even capable of truth-- vs those who throw words, no matter how carefully composing and aiming them, at or toward the truth, hoping to come close.

I would hope that I should be able to be skeptical of my conclusions, and not take myself so seriously that I consider my conclusions to represent the truth, even if, at present, they are the best I can come up with, both by authority of Scripture and by boundaries of logic. In our discussions on Christian (or, actually, pretty much any other) forums, I see two types of people, both who claim to be "here to learn" (or at least to be willing to learn). Yet only the one seems to be willing to change their mind upon better evidence --the ones who don't take themselves so seriously.

We hear, "Words mean things", and it is true enough. The problem is that WE don't know what they mean --we hardly even know what they mean to US-- and, what is worse, most of us have a hard time even understanding the principle, (nevermind accepting the principle), that we are only using words --not quite describing fact, but at best, describing what we see as fact the best we currently can.

Is this the, "If you were born in Arabia, you'd be a Muslim " point? An Arab might not be religious, but raised in that world view; and is boxed in to the National world view (no matter the size of the box)...

Or do you mean something else?

 

[makesends]

Is this the, "If you were born in Arabia, you'd be a Muslim " point? An Arab might not be religious, but raised in that world view; and is boxed in to the National world view (no matter the size of the box)...

Or do you mean something else?

I'm not sure what you are asking there, but your question has my scattered mind laughing. When I talk with atheists of a scientific mindset, trying to show that God exists, by demonstrating to them that there must be an only source of "new", I talk about the big bang, that, even assuming it somehow 'just happens', would have naturally no particularity—at best a gradient of homogenous fact. Instead we get waveforms and all sorts of differences. I say, "How, when there is mass, can there be motion; and how, when there is motion, can there be deviation?" Now, I don't really expect them to get what I'm saying, there, and usually they are kind of blinking, like, "Is this guy an idiot?" They inevitably will say, "That is endemic to the laws of gravity, attraction etc etc."; "The question is its own answer."; "You are making no sense—a force acting on a body moves it from stop to go."​

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"If I was born in Arabia, I'd be a Muslim" is of the same sort of thing. I'm tempted to say, "Maybe I was born in Arabia, and over there I am a Muslim— who's to say what is me, just because I am not conscious of that other fellow." Or, "If I was born in Arabia, I wouldn't be me, but that other fellow."​

Sorry for the aside, but I enjoyed it anyhow. To answer your question, I think I mean something else, though that would fit into what I am saying. The Arab worldview by religion, I expect is more theocentric than America is, generally, but by sin nature anthropocentric. But each person is an individual, and God does as he pleases with each person's mind and heart. The sin nature finds a way to rebel regardless of, or even because of, one's worldview, even if it is theocentric.

Or maybe you are asking if the Arab (or whatever other culture's) theocentricity is better or worse or at least different from USA? Of course it is.

 

[ReverendRV]

I'm not sure what you are asking there, but your question has my scattered mind laughing. When I talk with atheists of a scientific mindset, trying to show that God exists, by demonstrating to them that there must be an only source of "new", I talk about the big bang, that, even assuming it somehow 'just happens', would have naturally no particularity—at best a gradient of homogenous fact. Instead we get waveforms and all sorts of differences. I say, "How, when there is mass, can there be motion; and how, when there is motion, can there be deviation?" Now, I don't really expect them to get what I'm saying, there, and usually they are kind of blinking, like, "Is this guy an idiot?" They inevitably will say, "That is endemic to the laws of gravity, attraction etc etc."; "The question is its own answer."; "You are making no sense—a force acting on a body moves it from stop to go."​

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"If I was born in Arabia, I'd be a Muslim" is of the same sort of thing. I'm tempted to say, "Maybe I was born in Arabia, and over there I am a Muslim— who's to say what is me, just because I am not conscious of that other fellow." Or, "If I was born in Arabia, I wouldn't be me, but that other fellow."​

Sorry for the aside, but I enjoyed it anyhow. To answer your question, I think I mean something else, though that would fit into what I am saying. The Arab worldview by religion, I expect is more theocentric than America is, generally, but by sin nature anthropocentric. But each person is an individual, and God does as he pleases with each person's mind and heart. The sin nature finds a way to rebel regardless of, or even because of, one's worldview, even if it is theocentric.

Or maybe you are asking if the Arab (or whatever other culture's) theocentricity is better or worse or at least different from USA? Of course it is.

Nah, I meant it as a Societal Presupposition. Perhaps not being religious, but agreeing with Burkas anyway. Society's influence...

 

[makesends]

Nah, I meant it as a Societal Presupposition. Perhaps not being religious, but agreeing with Burkas anyway. Society's influence...

I would say yes, definitely, but I'm still not sure what you are saying —or, maybe, what you are trying to get at. Something's not clicking in my head.

 

[ReverendRV]

I would say yes, definitely, but I'm still not sure what you are saying —or, maybe, what you are trying to get at. Something's not clicking in my head.

Same here. Probably why...