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What is meant by 'filthiness of the flesh and spirit'?

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We find the following in 2 Corinthians 7...
2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

The filthiness of the flesh is not too hard to figure out as our carnal nature is evident all around, but what about the 'filthiness' of the 'spirit'. How does that differ from the 'flesh', how would one explain or define exactly what that is.
 
What is meant by "filthiness of the flesh and spirit"?

We find the following in 2 Corinthians 7...
2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
I would begin answering that question by not proof-texting any one verse but letting the text define and explain itself, especially since the verse contains the word, "therefore." To what is the "therefore" referring because that will likely give an indication how the "filthiness of flesh and spirit" should be understood.
The filthiness of the flesh is not too hard to figure out as our carnal nature is evident all around, but what about the 'filthiness' of the 'spirit'.
There is no such thing as "carnal" in scripture. The word the KJV uses to translate as "carnal" is "sarx" and that word means "flesh." See Romans 8:6 and 1 Corinthians 3:3 for examples of this misinterpretation. Clicking on the "Greek" link at the top of each page will show the Greek term is sarx. The reason this is important is because using the KJV to answer this question ends up creating a circular argument.

Q: What is meant by "filthiness of the flesh and spirit?
A: The filthiness of the flesh is the fleshly nature.

It begs the question. It does not answer the question.
...but what about the 'filthiness of the 'spirit'[?] How does that differ from the 'flesh', how would one explain or define exactly what that is.
Well, aside from the aforementioned practice of letting the text itself explain itself, I would look to those passages in scripture that speak to the overlap of flesh and spirit and any filth or cleanliness thereof. For example, 1 Peter 3:21 might be a passage to consider....

1 Peter 3:13-22
Who is there to harm you if you prove zealous for what is good? But even if you should suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed. And do not fear their intimidation, and do not be troubled, but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ will be put to shame. For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong. For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you — not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience — through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

...because that text explicitly states the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit is not about physical removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience.

Keep in mind that when the epistolary speaks of the flesh it is contextually about the sinful flesh, not the sinless flesh of the pre-disobedient Adam or the incarnate Christ. The Gnostics believed everything physical was sinful or less significant, valuable, good, or worthy than that which was spirit or spiritual. Paul was not Gnostic, so it is very important NOT to read his words as Gnostic. Sinful flesh is sinful. Sinless flesh is not sinful. 2 Corinthians 7:1 is about the former, not the latter.



The best answer will start with the text in question so, working from 2 Cor. 7:1, in trying to identify the beginning of that particular narrative we find 2 Corinthians 6 states,

2 Corinthians 6:1-2 KJV
We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

and later,

2 Corinthians 6:14-16
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said...

...because those are the verses Paul uses to then conclude, "Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God," and he then proceeds to change the subject and begin a new narrative.

Verse 7:1 is a poor place for a chapter break! Chapter 6 should have ended with 7:1. Verse 7:1 is the last "therefore" in a string of therefores that begin with 2 Corinthians 5:6.

2 Corinthians 5:1-8
For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven, inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked. For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life. Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge. Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord — for we walk by faith, not by sight — we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.... Therefore... Therefore... Therefore... And working together with Him... Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Since that last "therefore" is explicitly correlated to "these promises" we should consider them and how they articulate the filthiness of flesh and spirit and the cleansing thereof. Note there is a verse in the 2 Cor. 5:1-7:1 narrative directly connecting itself to what Peter wrote.

2 Corinthians 5:5
Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge.

"Pledge"?

The Holy Spirit has been given as a pledge, and the sanctifying work of the Spirit has to do with the pledge of a good conscience :unsure:. We know from other passages in the gospels and epistolary there are several places where God has pledged the HS to the redeemed. We also know there are several places in the epistolary where the conscience of the regenerate believer is leveraged. But what is the "purpose" for which this Spirit was pledged, according to the 2 Cor. 5:1-7:1 narrative? The preceding verse answers that question with, "...to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life."

Because we are to be clothed so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life..... and having been given the Holy Spirit.... we are to cleanse ourselves from "filthiness of the flesh and spirit." The Greek term used here for the KJV's "filthiness" is "molysmou" and it means, "staining, defilement, or pollution" (G3436), so the verse can be read to say, "cleanse yourselves from staining, defilement or pollution of flesh and spirit."
So how does a Christian stain, defile, or pollute his (now redeemed) flesh and (now regenerate) spirit?


The letters to the Corinthian saints specify a plethora of examples specific to the Corinthians (such as eating meat offered to idols) and the other epistles offer other examples specific to each locale and the circumstances in which those Christians lived. Some of them still exist today but all of them, old and new, can be summarized with the world "idolatry," and the solution found in words like "holy" and "pure," and summarized in something Paul wrote Timothy.

1 Timothy 5:20-22
Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning. I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality. Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.


Sin corrupts, stains, pollutes, makes filthy flesh and spirit.
 
We find the following in 2 Corinthians 7...
2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

The filthiness of the flesh is not too hard to figure out as our carnal nature is evident all around, but what about the 'filthiness' of the 'spirit'. How does that differ from the 'flesh', how would one explain or define exactly what that is.
And Also @Buff Scott Jr.

One can surmise that uncleanness ( masturbation ) which is a work of the flesh as listed in between fornication ( sex before marriage ) and lasciviousness ( sexual excessiveness ) may & can also involve unclean spirits.

One time, I had felt like something was wrong with me in not wanting the person I love or care about and so I stupidly sowed to the flesh and then wicked imaginations came and then after a long time of it that day, I went to bed but as soon as my head hit the pillow, I lost self control because my head rose from the pillow against my will and snapped at the air like some angry dog or evil wolf before it laid my head back down on the pillow again to sleep. Needless to say I prayed to the Lord Jesus Christ for help and deliverance and He did and I got rid of the provision for the flesh afterwards.

Below is an example of a saved believer that went astray sowing to the works of the flesh BUT then experienced "deliverance" in an apostate movement of the spirit. Like out of the frying pan and into the fire of apostasy.

Discernment is needed here but what she was experiencing was not deliverance but a loss of self control when that pastor was praying for the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Being in that apostate environment in seeking to be filled with the Holy Spirit ( when He has been & still is in her since salvation ) & praying for that "holy fire" to fill her; it appears to me that she went from unclean spirits to the spirit of the antichrist & giving that credit and glory to that movement of the '"spirit" as in exalting that phenomenon rather than Jesus Christ.


In the Azusa Street Revival of 1906-09, they reported alcoholics in having deliverance from alcoholism to "being "drunk in the Spirit ". Later, the newspaper also reported that those who "converted" went back to alcoholism when they were no longer experiencing that "drunk in the spirit" phenomenon.

Nobody needs to have "another" filling or receiving of the Spirit to get right with God but to go to Jesus Christ in prayer for forgiveness & help to depart from iniquity because He will never leave you nor can the Holy Spirit leave for why we are warned not to grieve the Holy Spirit in us.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 
We find the following in 2 Corinthians 7...
2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

The filthiness of the flesh is not too hard to figure out as our carnal nature is evident all around, but what about the 'filthiness' of the 'spirit'. How does that differ from the 'flesh', how would one explain or define exactly what that is.
That which contaminates the spirit; i.e, spiritual wickedness, trafficking with spirits, spiritual forces of evil in the unseen world.
 
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