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What is Heresy?

Jesus is NOT right now enthroned as King, as he is in His position as the great High Priest for His people in heaven, for when he sets up His kingdom reigning on this Earth, satan will then be bound, will be no other religions and isms, Earth will be restored to a paradise form, and no more sickness and diseases famines etc
Scripture states otherwise. I have already posted many verses explicitly stating he is King, his name is far above all other rule, he as all power and authority and all of it extends upon the earth. You can repeat "He is the great High Priest" all you like but argumentum ad nauseam is worthless. His existence as High Priest does not address his also being King over all creation, including the earth.

He may not be king ON earth, but he is definitely the King OF the earth, and OVER all the earth.

He has been enthroned as king. His throne is the heavens, and the earth is his footstool. He was king before he came to earth. When Jesus ascended his Father told him, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." That means two things: 1) Jesus is enthroned at the right hand of God as the right hand of God, and 2) he is not leaving that throne and coming back to earth until the LORD makes all the Lord's enemies his footstool. That, in turn, means ALL premillennialisms are incorrect, not just the Dispensational variety. Everything done on the earth is commanded from his throne in heaven, not here on earth.

If Jesus is God, then he is also King. It's not logically possible to have a God who is not also King.


Do you believe Jesus is God?
 
Satan power over us has been broken by the Cross and the Resurrection of Lord Jesus, but the world system is still running under His ways, and to the lost he is still "god" as they basically are living in ways he wants them to be doing
Nope. The world runs under the rule of its Creator. If the "world system" is running amuck it is solely because God wants it to be that way and it serves His purposes to have it that way. It is logically impossible to have God not also be King. It is wholly unscriptural to have a Creator lacking control of His own creation.
 
There is no other god but God, and you are not an unbeliever. You have no need to be concerned with what Satan does to the already sinfully dead and enslaved. Furthermore, the New Testament age is over. On top of that, if the "god of this age" were Satan then the only power he would have is what God gives him. The larger truth, however, is that Satan is not the god of that age. Pride is the god of the age. Hubris. Self. Satan is just as much a victim of disobedience and sin as anyone else who disobeys God and NOTHING in scripture written about Satan should ever be read to contradict Romans 6:23.

They can if and when God reveals it to them. God is almighty, not Satan. The whole Bible, not just the selected parts misread about Satan, teaches the sinful flesh is a much, much greater enemy than Satan. God si the Creator. Satan is a created creature. As I said before, he is dead and enslaved to his own sin. He is not, therefore "king" or "ruler" even over himself.

Scripture is misinterpreted when selected verses are read contrary to the whole of scripture. That's what your post do. There is only one God and that God is almighty and sovereign over EVERYTHING. He is mightier than Satan on Satan's strongest sin-filled lying day. He is sovereign over EVERYTHING, including sin. He is sovereign over every creature He has ever created, including Satan. Satan is not literally a god. He is a sin-enslaved minion whose only purpose is to serve his Creator. God blinds the minds of unbelievers in many ways. Sometimes he uses the hardness of their own hearts. Sometimes He uses Satan. Sometimes He just strikes them deaf, dumb, and blind without any device.

You have the mind of Christ AND the promise of God to work ALL things for good according to His purpose. The word "all" means all. It does not mean "all things but the machinations of Satan." That's not what scripture teaches. If God sees fit to let Satan loose in your life then you can and should stand firm the promises and the might of the almighty, and trust that whatever the purpose for God sending Satan your way it will be for good and not evil because you are called by God and loved by Him. There's not a single verse about Satan that should ever be read contrary to whole scripture.

Re-read that. The word "now," means the prince of the world was cast out in the first century way back when Jesus spoke those words. Jesus did NOT say, "In the future the god of this world will be cast out." He said "now." The prince of the world has already been cast out. He was cast out millennia ago. He is a created creature who's been stripped of his glory. The only power he has is that which his Creator gives him, and that power serves only the Creator's purposes, never the sinfully dead and enslaved creature who is a murderous liar.

Then Satan has no power over Jesus and bringing up the wilderness temptation was a waste of time.

Irrelevant.

I have not said Satan has no influence. The facts in evidence are that scripture has been used selectively and not one single selection has been rendered with the entirety of scripture. Verse X gets posted, but verse Y proves the empowering interpretation of verse X is incorrect. I post a pile of scripture proving Satan powerless and only one example was affirmed. The rest are ignored or treated with another selected verse treated as if it defines everything a Christian should know about Satan. Both the verse about the "god of the air," and the verse about "the prince of this world," should be understood in the context of Satan being a sinner and, therefore subject to all the effects of sin. Every single verse you might ever use about Satan having ANY kind of power, rule, dominion, etc. MUST be read in the context of the fact it is God and God alone who appoints rulers. The only rulers that have ever existed ruled solely as a consequence of divine providence and solely for God's purpose. Satan does not have his own kingdom.

I, on the other hand, do not deny Satan having power. I simply subordinate it to God. If Jesus is God, then there is not and never has been a single particle of an atom anywhere in creation where Jesus is not King. He cannot be God and not King. It's not only unscriptural to to believe otherwise; it is irrational.

We're not discussing what others do. We're discussing the proper knowledge and understanding of Satan.

Prove it. Provide one example in scripture where scripture actually states Satan devoured a person. Notice the verse states he roams. It never says he succeeds. It never says he is satiated in any way for even a minute 😯. What the Text does state is a warning to believers to be "sober" and resist him. What happens when the adversary is resisted? He flees. It is not appropriate to read 1 Peter 5:8 in any manner that contradicts James 4:7.To do so is to misuse scripture.

And when that happens ALL Satan's machinations are extinguished. Satan is powerless. He has no power over the armor of God. He is not the king of anything if he flees when resisted and can be defeated with faith. He was cast out long before you or I ever read Ephesians 6 and believed it.

We battle against them victoriously. It's not an undecided battle. There are no powers, but those God appoints. Those powers serve only God's purposes. Every battle fought with Satan wearing God's armor and resisting Satan is one in which Satan's efforts are defeated and he runs away. Every verse about Satan that can be quoted occurs within the context of whole scripture which explicitly states Satan is a created creature who is a defeated slave of sin.

He is like you and I were before we were brought to salvation and filled with God Spirit.... except you and I are made in God's image and he is not! He's not happy about that and there is NOTHING he can do about it.

Never happened. That's just an attempted ad hominem posted under the auspices of "seems" because the facts of whole scripture aren't being addressed cohesively.

So too are Christians who give Satan more power than he actually has.


  • Satan is a created creature who has no power over his Creator.
  • Satan is a sinner and has no power over sin.
  • Satan does not actually have the power to give Jesus all the kingdoms of the world. He was lying.
  • Satan does not have the power to hurt any Christian in any way unless God endows him with that ability and on all such occasions that power works solely for good according to God purposes.
  • Devouring the dead, blinding the already blinded, is not power.
  • Ruling the air is nothing.
  • He was cast out long ago.

1 Corinthians 5:5
I have decided to turn such a person over to Satan for the destruction of his body, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.


Are the implications of that verse correctly understood? A congregant in the Corinthian Church was to be handed over to Satan so that his spirit might be saved!!! In other words, being handed over to Satan might prove salvific! 😮 Do you think Satan likes that? Do you think Satan, whose destiny is already decided, who has absolutely no prospect for being saved from his sin, do you think he likes the possibility he might be used as a device for the salvation of a sinner's spirit?

Do you think he has any power to stop God from using him as an agent for saving a sinner's spirit when he cannot save his own?


Stop giving Satan more power than whole scripture gives him. Acknowledge the correct amount of power the cast out sinful creature has, from whom it was given, and whose purposes that power serves.


And since we were discussing Dispensational Premillennialism when the digression about Satan and demonology started, you might give some consideration to how much of your understanding of Satan came from Dispensationalism and not whole scripture.
LOL....you act as if satan is as harmless as a kitten.

Satan can cause great discomfort...and by satan I mean him and his fallen followers and demons.

As a Christian we have certain "protection" but the adversary is still here.
As a Christian satan can't take away our eternal life.
 
Jesus is NOT right now enthroned as King, as he is in His position as the great High Priest for His people in heaven, for when he sets up His kingdom reigning on this Earth, satan will then be bound, will be no other religions and isms, Earth will be restored to a paradise form, and no more sickness and diseases famines etc

Not quite. What is missing here is the imperative sense of the kingdom.

Peter says in Acts 2:30,31 that the thing David saw was fulfilled in the resurrection; this is a simple matter of grammatical cases.

This is not the only way this is shown. The end of that speech (made Lord and Christ), and the enthronement reception mentioned in ch 3 and the use of Ps 2 in the prayer of ch 4, all show him to be enthroned.

What matters is that this is how the earth is supposed to see him but does not, as lamented by Ps 2. He is a rejected enthroned King. Our warning to this world is in Ps 2: unless it honors Him, he will break them into pieces. It exists in an imperative sense.

It is not a matter of claiming there is a golden age now.

Clearly the end of the Rev and 2 Peter 3 do not have his kingdom here on earth. The end of Rev 20 is the destruction of this earth and the opening of 21 is a new one. You could say it is on earth after that, but it is so entirely different that it doesn’t matter. It is not going to be in the news!
 
Not quite. What is missing here is the imperative sense of the kingdom.

Peter says in Acts 2:30,31 that the thing David saw was fulfilled in the resurrection; this is a simple matter of grammatical cases.

This is not the only way this is shown. The end of that speech (made Lord and Christ), and the enthronement reception mentioned in ch 3 and the use of Ps 2 in the prayer of ch 4, all show him to be enthroned.

What matters is that this is how the earth is supposed to see him but does not, as lamented by Ps 2. He is a rejected enthroned King. Our warning to this world is in Ps 2: unless it honors Him, he will break them into pieces. It exists in an imperative sense.

It is not a matter of claiming there is a golden age now.

Clearly the end of the Rev and 2 Peter 3 do not have his kingdom here on earth. The end of Rev 20 is the destruction of this earth and the opening of 21 is a new one. You could say it is on earth after that, but it is so entirely different that it doesn’t matter. It is not going to be in the news!
The King will b here upon the earth when its restored back after His second coming event . and that is not yet the Eternal State
 
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