Trump shot at in Butler PA

[Tambora]

There are degrees of aburdity. Interesting, negligence is a defense for gross negligence. There is prudence but next to it is not conspiracy. Rather it is imprudence or incompetence.

Some use the term "dereliction of duty," which seems to have a military connotation. I don't know what the difference is but certainly, it is not a conspiracy to recognize anyone who is not part of the protection team being on the roof is a big no-no. Big League.

Understandable, but we must also recognize that the Secret Service has protocol they must follow and not just be a vigilante.
I feel confident we will get more information on the situation, and can probably expect some conflicting reports along the way.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the long run.

 

[Tambora]

The 1st minute and 1/2 of the following video:

Showing the shooter climbing onto the rooftop.​

What he used to get up there was not specified.​

A ladder, boxes to step on, what????​

Also tells of a local police officer lifting himself to peer over the edge of the rooftop to spot the shooter.​

Again, does not specify what he used to to stand on to peer over the edge.​

Supposedly this very building was being used by local police as their staging area during the rally.​

The last minute and 1/2 of video is Kim Cheel (Director of SS) being interviewed and admitting that ultimately the blame falls on the SS.

So let's speculate!
According to other reports the police officer that peered over the edge, and saw a guy with a rifle, dropped to the ground for fear of being shot.
How come the policeman that peered over the edge of the rooftop did not at least fire shots into the air as a warning?
Or at least call the SS immediately to report the guy with a rifle on the rooftop?

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

How come the policeman that peered over the edge of the rooftop did not at least fire shots into the air as a warning?
Or at least call the SS immediately to report the guy with a rifle on the rooftop?

Incompetence or complicit.

 

[Rella]

Understandable, but we must also recognize that the Secret Service has protocol they must follow and not just be a vigilante.
I feel confident we will get more information on the situation, and can probably expect some conflicting reports along the way.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the long run.

Y,all gotta remember... These days the police cant shoot until the perp shoots first

 

[Rella]

Incompetence or complicit.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I can only speculate.

Which is all that the talking media heads have been doing ever since Saturday. What IS CLEAR is that the Protective agencies utterly failed to do their jobs in catastrophic fashion - like the police force in Uvalde did in time past.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Viva TERTULIAN...
It should be noted that the word Trinity is never given in the Bible

Not sure what this has to do with the Trump assassination. Did you get copy and paste happy or something? LOL

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Understandable, but we must also recognize that the Secret Service has protocol they must follow and not just be a vigilante.

I read the SS are blaming local cops. Jurisdiction is a major issue but the binary analysis remains valid, incompetent or complicit. It only matters which jurisdiction it applies to.

 

[Rella]

Not sure what this has to do with the Trump assassination. Did you get copy and paste happy or something? LOL

It is my signature. I am not replying in two threads but my signature says it all. BTW...

 

[David1701]

Incompetence or complicit.

They would need to be at a Keystone Cops level of incompetence, which I simply don't believe. IMO, complicity is almost certain.

 

[Tambora]

Which is all that the talking media heads have been doing ever since Saturday.

Yep, social media has had a field day with all their speculations.
And with the mass amount of videos being posted I keep hearing conflicting reports.
One will say the shooter didn't use a ladder and another will say he did.
If he did use a ladder, did he bring a ladder with him or did a ladder just happen to be close by?

It can be speculated as to who could have done more to prevent the shooting, all the way down to the school kids that bullied him, but the ultimate blame goes to the shooter himself.

 

[Tambora]

They would need to be at a Keystone Cops level of incompetence, which I simply don't believe. IMO, complicity is almost certain.

If it were complicity then did someone contact the kid and convince him to be a "hero for democracy"?
Perhaps even agree to pay him?
Was it someone from a position in government, or a classmate, ..... who?

 

[Tambora]

Y,all gotta remember... These days the police cant shoot until the perp shoots first

In your opinion should that protocol be changed?

 

[Rella]

Yep, social media has had a field day with all their speculations.
And with the mass amount of videos being posted I keep hearing conflicting reports.
One will say the shooter didn't use a ladder and another will say he did.
If he did use a ladder, did he bring a ladder with him or did a ladder just happen to be close by?

It can be speculated as to who could have done more to prevent the shooting, all the way down to the school kids that bullied him, but the ultimate blame goes to the shooter himself.

they said today he bought the ladder at a nearby hardward store.

 

[Rella]

In your opinion should that protocol be changed?

Guess it depends on whether you wanted Trump dead or not.

You have an assassin that the sharpshooters knew was going to shoot "someone" and in my opinion they should have been able to at least hit the shooter in the leg before he got off a shot.

But no... the shooter shot and then he was killed.

I read someone who said it was a shame he missed. Had Trump been killed there would have been dancing by some.

So yes.. I think to protocol should be changed.

And I also think if my house is being broken into or family being threatened I should be able to shoot to protect them. (BTW I do not have a gun... WHY?.. because I would shoot to protect and then I would be the one in jail)

 

[David1701]

If it were complicity then did someone contact the kid and convince him to be a "hero for democracy"?
Perhaps even agree to pay him?
Was it someone from a position in government, or a classmate, ..... who?

Who knows?

It could simply be "stochastic terrorism" (constant repetition of phrases that demonise the target, with the intention of inciting unstable souls to commit the crime, whilst being able to deny any involvement), combined with deliberate negligence by the security services.

 

[Tambora]

Who knows?

We may never know the whole truth.

It could simply be "stochastic terrorism" (constant repetition of phrases that demonise the target, with the intention of inciting unstable souls to commit the crime, whilst being able to deny any involvement),

Possibly so.
But I think of that along the lines of "the video game made me do it", and I don't accept that as an excuse to commit a crime.
Apparently this kid that everyone said was "smart" didn't have the smarts to know that what he was doing was wrong.
And innocent people were hurt and killed for him being such a dumbass.

combined with deliberate negligence by the security services.

That's why I keep wondering about what the actual protocol was.
If SS was told not to shoot unless he fired first then the SS would have been in trouble for disobeying protocol and could have ended up in jail himself, and the Left would have been all over that trying to persecute him to the hilt.
Makes it hard for the SS to do what they feel is best when you have sworn to obey someone that isn't even there.

 

[Tambora]

Guess it depends on whether you wanted Trump dead or not.

You have an assassin that the sharpshooters knew was going to shoot "someone" and in my opinion they should have been able to at least hit the shooter in the leg before he got off a shot.

But no... the shooter shot and then he was killed.

I read someone who said it was a shame he missed. Had Trump been killed there would have been dancing by some.

So yes.. I think to protocol should be changed.

I think it should be changed too.
They need to trust the judgement of the ones they hired and trained until they prove they are not using their heads.

And I also think if my house is being broken into or family being threatened I should be able to shoot to protect them.

I'm with ya there.

(BTW I do not have a gun... WHY?.. because I would shoot to protect and then I would be the one in jail)

You wouldn't be in jail if I were on the jury.

 

[Tambora]

they said today he bought the ladder at a nearby hardward store.

Wow.
So he was carrying a ladder with him where the local police should have been watching.

 

[Rella]

Wow.
So he was carrying a ladder with him where the local police should have been watching.

What we dont know is when the groundwork and plan was laid out by him.

I have not heard anything about what the ladder looked like either...

If I was going to that rally I would have no idea of the set up surrounding things but this kid know about the building so I would assume he cased
it sometime before.

Possibly even set up the ladder days before?

Then I heard someone else say they saw him scramble up the side of the building.

Then there is that cop who allegedly went up to the roof and saw him and backed off when allegedly the kid aimed the rifle at him.

What was this ... a mall cop?

The min the cop was out of sight he should have fired a warning shot into the air to alert everyone something was wrong....

I ws talking to a woman yesterday whose son knew this kid from high school and he was a smart kid... supposedly headed to college this fall...
but ws grossly picked on in school. He was denied entry into the high schools shooters program being a lousy shot so once graduated he joined a gun club and became a good marksman....

I have not heard if he was on drugs... but he had explosives in his car as well as at home.

And his cell turned up no useful info... yet. And if home computers had any, they are not talking.