The Pelagian Heresy is Alive and Well in America

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All Humanity was judged and received from fall of Adam our sin natures when conceived

Blanket statements concerning humanity don't necessarily apply when considering the difference between Christ and everyone else. Your rule that it HAD to be a virgin neglects the power and sovereignty of God. He can do what nature does not do. The only reason she had to be a virgin is for proof that Jesus Christ was not a natural descendent of Joseph. If she was not a virgin, God could still have had her conceive the same way as he did when she was a virgin.

 

[JesusFan]

Blanket statements concerning humanity don't necessarily apply when considering the difference between Christ and everyone else. Your rule that it HAD to be a virgin neglects the power and sovereignty of God. He can do what nature does not do. The only reason she had to be a virgin is for proof that Jesus Christ was not a natural descendent of Joseph. If she was not a virgin, God could still have had her conceive the same way as he did when she was a virgin.

My belief is that Mary was still a sinner, so Jesus HAD to be born via that Holy Spirit conception process in order to have Him come as having both deity and His sinless humanity

 

[makesends]

My belief is that Mary was still a sinner, so Jesus HAD to be born via that Holy Spirit conception process in order to have Him come as having both deity and His sinless humanity

I agree. That doesn't imply that she HAD to be a virgin, but only that he had to be born via "that Holy Spirit conception process" and not by a human father.

 

[JesusFan]

I agree. That doesn't imply that she HAD to be a virgin, but only that he had to be born via "that Holy Spirit conception process" and not by a human father.

Agreed, as not a Catholic, so would not see mary as being the "immaculate Virgin"

 

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Agreed, as not a Catholic, so would not see mary as being the "immaculate Virgin"

Correct. Lol, chase THAT doctrine to its logical end!!