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The Origin of 1 Enoch

Very well done.
Thanks. It was my hope that a bit of light would be shed that is based on historic cultural norms and the history of how 1 Enoch and Jubilees, came to be in the Qumran caves. The importance and relevance of considering Essene though and worldview (Parts 3 and 4) in determining why they considered those two books to be authoritative for interpreting Gen 6.
 
If you have evidence disproving the op then post it. Baseless accusations are not worth anything.

The Chronicles of Narnia harmonize with scripture better than the book of Enoch. And be honest. What you mean is the book of Enoch harmonizes with your interpretation of select passages of scripture.

Post the evidence.

Post the evidence.
I like that, "The Chronicles of Narnia harmonize with scripture better that the book of Enoch".

Off topic, but my favorite line in the movie: "He's not a tame lion. But he's good."
 
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Yes he did. That does not mean Enoch the seventh from Adam wrote it.
it doesn't mean Enoch didn't write it.

Moses wasn't quoting anything. He was getting his information directly from God. And Gen 6 is not Moses quoting Enoch, it is the author of 1 Enoch quoting Moses and attributing it to Enoch and then interpreting Gen 6 in a particular way to fit what the author believed.
LOL.....Prove it....

Evidence is needed
Speculating per se is not a problem....just admitt when you're speculating. You don't really know. You pretty much just cut and paste info, presenting it as factual, truthful information rather than telling us you're speculation.
 
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I like that, "The Chronicles of Narnia harmonize with scripture better that the book of Enoch".
Did you even read the apendix?

Appendix A
Comparisons of Enoch with New Testament Scriptures (KJV)​

Enoch 64:4And a voice was heard from heavenMatthew 3:17And lo, a voice from heaven, saying
Enoch 6:9The elect shall possess light, joy, and peace, and they shall inherit the earth.Matthew 5:5Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
Enoch 50:2, 4, 5He shall select the righteous and holy from among them; for the day of their salvation has approached.

...and they shall become angels in heaven. Their countenances shall be bright with joy...the earth shall rejoice; and the elect possess it.
Luke 21:28

Matthew 22:30


Matthew 13:43
Your redemption draweth nigh.

In the resurrection...they are as the angels of God in heaven.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Enoch 93:7Those, too, who acquire gold and silver, shall justly and suddenly perish. Woe to you who are rich, for in your riches have you trusted; but from your riches you shall be removed.James 5:1



Luke 6:24
Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

Woe unto you that are rich! For ye have received your consolation.
Enoch 96:6, 7, 25Woe unto you, sinners, who say, ‘We are rich, possess wealth, and have acquired everything which we can desire. Now then will we do whatsoever we are disposed to do; for we have amassed silver; our barns are full’... They shall surely die suddenly.Luke 12:19-20Compare the parable of the rich man whose barns were full, and who said to himself, ‘Soul, thou has much goods laid up for many years, take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.’ But God said unto him, ‘Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee.’
Enoch 105:26And I will place each of them on a throne of glory, of glory peculiarly his ownMatthew 19:28Ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Enoch 62:11In his judgments he pays no respect to persons.Romans 2:11For there is no respect of persons with God.
Enoch 38:2Where will the habitation of sinners be...who have rejected the Lord of spirits. It would have been better for them, had they never been born.Matthew 26:24Woe unto that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would be good for that man if he had not been born.
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Appendix A (cont'd)
Comparisons of Enoch with New Testament Scriptures (KJV)​

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Enoch 19:2So that they sacrifice to devils as to Gods.1 Corinthians 10:20The things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God.
Enoch 22:10, 12(The angel Raphael addressing Enoch in the region of the dead)Here their souls are separated...by a chasm.Luke 16:26(Abraham addressing the rich man from the region of the blessed) Between us and you there is a great gulf fixed.
Enoch 39:3, 4, 7A cloud then snatched me up...placing me at the extremity of the heavens. There I saw another vision. I saw the habitations and couches of the saints...with the angels...under the wings of the Lord of spirits. All the holy and the elect sung before him, in appearance like a blaze of fire, their mouths being full of blessings, and their lips glorifying the name of the Lord of spirits.2 Corinthians 12:1-4








Revelation 19:1
I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I knew a man in Christ...caught up to the third heaven...whether in the bosdy or out of the body I cannot tell; God knoweth. How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia, salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.
Enoch 46:2This is the Son of man...who will reveal all the treasures that which is concealed.Colossians 2:3In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
Enoch 9:3,4Then they said to their Lord, the King: Thou art Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings. The throne of thy glory is for ever and ever, and for ever and ever is thy name sanctified and glorified. Thou are blessed and glorified. Thou has made all things; thou possessest power over all things; and all things are open and manifest before thee. Thou beholdest all things, and nothing can be concealed from thee.Revelation 17:14; 19:16

Revelation 4:11




Hebrews 4:13
King of kings, and Lord of lords.

Thou art worthy O Lord, to receive glory, and honour, and power; for thou has created all things, and for thy pleasure they are, and were created.

Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight; but all things whcih are naked and opened unot the eyes of him with whom
Enoch 24:10, 11I blessed the Lord of glory, the everlasting King, because he has prepared this tree for the saints, formed it, and declared that he would give it to them... The sweet odour shall enter into their bones; and they shall live a long life on the earth, as thy forefathers have lived; neither in their days shall sorrow, distress, and punishment afflict them.Revelation 22:2





Revelation 2:7



Revelation 22:14
On either side of the river was a tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life.
Enoch 85:2And behold a single star fell from heaven.Revelation 9:1I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth.
Enoch 10:15, 16To Michael also, the Lord said, Go and announce his crime to Samyaza and to the others who are with him who have been associated with women... Bind them for seventy generations underneath the earth, even to the day of judgment, and of consumation , until the judgment, which shall last forever, be completed. Then shall they be taken away into the lowest depths of the fire in torments, and in confinement shall they be shut up forever.Jude 6:1





2 Peter 2:4




Revelation 20:10
The angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness, unto the judgment of the great day.

God spared not the angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.

The devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone... and shall be tormented day and night forever.
Enoch 21:56I beheld columns of fire struggling together to the end of the abyss, and deep was their descent. But neither its measurement nor magnitude was I able to discover... Uriel, one of the holy angels... said, This is the prison of the angels and here they are kept forever.Revelation 20:1-3And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit (abyss) and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the devil and... cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut it, and sealed it over him.
Enoch 79












Enoch 61:9
In the days of sinners the years shall be shortened... and everything done on the earth shall be subverted and disappear in its season... In those days the fruits of the earth shall not flourish in their season... heaven shall stand still. The moon shall change its laws, and not be seen at its proper period... and all the classes of the stars shall be shut up against sinners.

And trouble shall seize them when they shall behold this Son of woman sitting upon the throne of his glory.
Matthew 24:7, 21-22, 29-30There shall be famines and earthquakes in divers places... great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved... immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven... then shall the tribes of the earth mourn; as they see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great authority.
Enoch 47:3






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Enoch 54
He sat upon the throne of his glory, while the book of the living was opened in his presence, and while all the powers which were above the heavens stood around and before him.

In those days shall the earth deliver up from her womb, and hell deliver up from hers, that which it has received, and destruction shall restore that which it owes He shall select the righteous and holy from among them.

In those days shall the mouth of hell be opened into which they shall be immersed; hell shall destroy and swallow up sinners from the face of the elect.
Revelation 20:11-13; 15I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it... and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before the throne; and the books were opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged out of those things that were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them... And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Enoch 40:1After this I beheld thousands of thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand, and an infinite number of people, standing before the Lord of spirits.Revelation 5:11I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne... and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands.
Enoch 45:3In that day shall the Elect One sit upon a throne of glory, and shall choose their conditions and countless habitations.Matthew 25:31-32




John 14:2
Then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory; and before him shall be gather edall nations; and he shall separate them one from another.

In my Father’s house are many mansions.
Enoch 44:4In that day I will cause my Elect One to dwell in the midst of them. I will change the face of the heaven; I will bless it and cause those whom I have chosen to dwell upon it.Revelation 7:15


2 Peter 3:13
He that sitteth upon the throne shall dwell among them.

Nevertheless, we, according to his promise, look for a new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Enoch 92:117The former heaven shall depart and pass away, a new heaven shall appear.Revelation 22:1I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away.
Enoch 61:4-9The word of his mouth shall destroy all sinners, and all the ungodly who shall perish at his presence... Trouble shall come upon them, as upon a woman in travail. One portion of them shall look upon another; they shall be astonished, and shall abase their countenances; and trouble shall seize them, when they shall behold this Son of woman sitting upon the throne of His glory.2 Thessalonians 1:9



1 Thessalonians 5:3



2 Thessalonians 2:8


Matthew 25:31
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

Then sudden destruction cometh upon them as travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape.

That wicked whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of His mouth.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.
Enoch 66:5-8I beheld that valley in which... arose a strong smell of sulphur which became mixed with the waters; and the valley of the angels, who had been guilty of seduction, burned underneath its soil. Through that valley also rivers of fire were flowing, to which the angels shall be condemned who seduced the inhabitants of the earth.Matthew 13:42


Mathew 25:41



Revelation 20:10


1 Timothy 4:12
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire.

Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone.

The Spirit saith expressly, that in the latter times some shall fall away from the faith... through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies.
Enoch 48:1-7In that place I beheld a fountain of righteousness which never failed, encircled by many springs of wisdom. Of these all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy.John 4:14





Revelation 21:6
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in hima well of water springing up into everlasting life.

I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Enoch 2 26:2bBehold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done and committed against him... [who utter with their mouths unbecoming language against God, and speak harsh things of his glory.]Jude 14, 15Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these things, saying, ‘Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’
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@Arial and @Josheb said.... "The Chronicles of Narnia harmonize with scripture better that the book of Enoch".

OK....show me. I just showed you how the book of Enoch harmonizes with the bible. Your turn.
 
Did you even read the apendix?



Enoch 64:4And a voice was heard from heavenMatthew 3:17And lo, a voice from heaven, saying
Enoch 6:9The elect shall possess light, joy, and peace, and they shall inherit the earth.Matthew 5:5Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
Enoch 50:2, 4, 5He shall select the righteous and holy from among them; for the day of their salvation has approached.

...and they shall become angels in heaven. Their countenances shall be bright with joy...the earth shall rejoice; and the elect possess it.
Luke 21:28

Matthew 22:30


Matthew 13:43
Your redemption draweth nigh.

In the resurrection...they are as the angels of God in heaven.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Enoch 93:7Those, too, who acquire gold and silver, shall justly and suddenly perish. Woe to you who are rich, for in your riches have you trusted; but from your riches you shall be removed.James 5:1



Luke 6:24
Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

Woe unto you that are rich! For ye have received your consolation.
Enoch 96:6, 7, 25Woe unto you, sinners, who say, ‘We are rich, possess wealth, and have acquired everything which we can desire. Now then will we do whatsoever we are disposed to do; for we have amassed silver; our barns are full’... They shall surely die suddenly.Luke 12:19-20Compare the parable of the rich man whose barns were full, and who said to himself, ‘Soul, thou has much goods laid up for many years, take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.’ But God said unto him, ‘Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee.’
Enoch 105:26And I will place each of them on a throne of glory, of glory peculiarly his ownMatthew 19:28Ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Enoch 62:11In his judgments he pays no respect to persons.Romans 2:11For there is no respect of persons with God.
Enoch 38:2Where will the habitation of sinners be...who have rejected the Lord of spirits. It would have been better for them, had they never been born.Matthew 26:24Woe unto that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would be good for that man if he had not been born.
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Now, let's see the evidence that 1 Enoch was written by Enoch the seventh from Adam.
 
@Arial and @Josheb said.... "The Chronicles of Narnia harmonize with scripture better that the book of Enoch".

OK....show me. I just showed you how the book of Enoch harmonizes with the bible. Your turn.
The OP isn't about the Chronicles of Narni, which is a work of fiction and never pretended to be any more than that. It was just a remark.
 
Speculating per se is not a problem....just admitt when you're speculating. You don't really know. You pretty much just cut and paste info, presenting it as factual, truthful information rather than telling us you're speculation.
If I say from the get-go that the information was not mine and said where the compilation came from then it is not me speculating, even if I agree with what is presented. I listed all the sources that ChatGPT gave as its source. It does not make things up out of thin air. It is not really a human. Since the sources are given, you can check the information yourself. Or you can do your own search since neither you nor I were firsthand witnesses and there are no witnesses alive.

Let me ask you this as an example of what you are calling speculation. Back in your school days, how was it you were taught and learned things? Were the teachers and the books speculating when they taught you about history, or cultures, or events?

So, what does it matter that I cut and paste the information? It seemed to be acceptable to you when you cut and pasted the irrelevant material to prove that 1 Enoch had more similarities with the Bible than does the Chronicles of Narnia. By all means, cut and paste your evidence that 1 Enoch was written by Enoch the seventh from Adam.
 
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