The Necessity of the Deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit in Redemption

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the ONLY Jesus that can save would be the One who is Very God very man

Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

What Trinitarians need to realize is the 'hypostatic union' destroys the atonement. If Jesus was God that makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax.

The bible says he was tempted IN EVERY WAY AND THAT HE KNEW TEMPTATION. It also says that, "God cannot be tempted and therefore cannot sin."

If Jesus was God that means he could not have sinned anyway. (Back to the only Trinitarian answer of TWO NATURES) That makes the Word of God totally contradictory - makes Jesus a fraud because he never would have to overcome sin since he also being God couldn't have been tempted to sin anyway - ultimately making him a fraud and the cross a complete hoax and the atonement for sin a complete hoax - think about it.


We believe in the triune God, that God is one in being and consists of three co-equal yet distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We believe that God is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe, and the he sovereignty rule over history.

 

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Numbers 23:19 KJV
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29 KJV
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent

Hosea 11:9 KJV
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Job 9:32 KJV
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.

Hebrews 6:18
So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

Numbers 23:19 KJV
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29 KJV
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent

Hosea 11:9 KJV
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Job 9:32 KJV
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.\par

Hebrews 6:18
So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

If they are equal, why did Jesus say in John 14:28

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I."

Why did he say in John 10:29,

"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

And why did Jesus say in John 13:16

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him."

 

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What Trinitarians need to realize is the 'hypostatic union' destroys the atonement. If Jesus was God that makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax.

The hypostatic union does not destroy the atonement. The hypostatic union does not say that the incarnate Son is not fully human. It shows God the Son coming as one of us in order to be our substitute for our redemption. The divine nature can never be removed from divinity. That being the case, the hypostatic union recognizes that Jesus had two natures. That of God. And that of man. The two natures never mix together but remain distinct in the one person, Jesus.

If you think that is impossible, then, being absolutely honest about it, one would need to question the virgin birth, Lazurus being raised from death and walking out of a tomb after being there, dead, for four days, the creation account, the future resurrection of the dead, and a multitude of other things we find in the Bible.

What destroys the atonement is saying that a mere human creature can qualify as a substitute for billions of sinners (over time). bear the penalty of their sins on his own flesh, face the wrath of God our sins deserve, and survive. It would mean that God was not capable of redemption on his own and needed the help of a man who he then exalted that man to God's own position as Judge

 

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The bible says he was tempted IN EVERY WAY AND THAT HE KNEW TEMPTATION. It also says that, "God cannot be tempted and therefore cannot sin."

That is why God the Son came as one of us. He came as a substitute. He had to be of the same flesh and blood in order to die in our place. Jesus is not just God. But he is Emmanuel---God with us. It was Jesus Son of man who was being tempted. You cannot argue against the hypostatic union without knowing and understanding what it is.

If Jesus was God that means he could not have sinned anyway. (Back to the only Trinitarian answer of TWO NATURES) That makes the Word of God totally contradictory - makes Jesus a fraud because he never would have to overcome sin since he also being God couldn't have been tempted to sin anyway - ultimately making him a fraud and the cross a complete hoax and the atonement for sin a complete hoax - think about it.

The fact that he could not have sinned is tied to the eternal Covenant of Redemption, that is, the Father sent Jesus to redeem. Jesus came to do the work of redemption; the Holy Spirit came to apply that work to the individual. And that element is beside the point. Where did the incarnate Jesus live? In a sinful world, surrounded by nothing but sinners, facing the same temptations that all men face. He had the human capacity to give in to sin, but he did not. It is the opposite of Adam who was not created with a nature to sin but who had the volitional; agency to do so and did.

If Jesus was God that means he could not have sinned anyway. (Back to the only Trinitarian answer of TWO NATURES) That makes the Word of God totally contradictory - makes Jesus a fraud because he never would have to overcome sin since he also being God couldn't have been tempted to sin anyway - ultimately making him a fraud and the cross a complete hoax and the atonement for sin a complete hoax - think about it.

Mod Hat: I will give you a pass on that red lettered portion this once. There is no need of such an inflammatory attack of what is a core Christian doctrine.

 

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Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

What Trinitarians need to realize is the 'hypostatic union' destroys the atonement. If Jesus was God that makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax.

Quite the opposite. You should read up on Basil of Caesarea versus Apollinaris of Laodicea, and the First Council of Constantinople. Basil’s soteriology is rooted in the conviction that redemption occurs through the Incarnation itself: Christ saves not only by dying, but by living a fully and authentically human life. For Basil, the Son heals human nature precisely by assuming and exercising every dimension of it—thinking with a human mind, choosing with a human will, feeling with human emotions, suffering in a human body, and obeying as a human son. Salvation is therefore not external or merely forensic; it is internal, ontological, and participatory, a healing that works from within the very structures of human existence. Because Christ redeems by assuming and restoring what is ours, a Christ without a human mind cannot redeem the human mind. Apollinaris’s diminished Christ is therefore soteriologically powerless, whereas Basil’s fully human Christ is the true physician of humanity.

Basil’s central conviction is that Christ must possess everything essential to humanity in order to redeem humanity. This is not a philosophical preference but a soteriological necessity. So, he anticipates Gregory of Nazianzus who later maxim: “What is not assumed is not healed.”

Christ must heal the whole human nature.​

⦁ If Christ does not assume the human mind, then the human mind remains unhealed.

⦁ If Christ does not assume human will, then human will remain unredeemed.

⦁ If Christ does not assume human suffering, then human suffering remains untouched.

Basil therefore insists that Christ must assume:​

⦁ a human body

⦁ a human soul

⦁ a human rational mind

⦁ a human will

⦁ a human emotional life

⦁ a human developmental process

Taken from my own unpublished Christological paper. I think you should study before you project heretical beliefs to the Hypostatic Union. Your argument is what was made against Apollinarism and not against the Hypostatic Union. And history can be testified. And this was the verses that was used in the Council (Luke 2:52, Hebrews 2:17, 4:15, 5:8).

 

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Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

What Trinitarians need to realize is the 'hypostatic union' destroys the atonement. If Jesus was God that makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax.

The bible says he was tempted IN EVERY WAY AND THAT HE KNEW TEMPTATION. It also says that, "God cannot be tempted and therefore cannot sin."

If Jesus was God that means he could not have sinned anyway. (Back to the only Trinitarian answer of TWO NATURES) That makes the Word of God totally contradictory - makes Jesus a fraud because he never would have to overcome sin since he also being God couldn't have been tempted to sin anyway - ultimately making him a fraud and the cross a complete hoax and the atonement for sin a complete hoax - think about it.


We believe in the triune God, that God is one in being and consists of three co-equal yet distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We believe that God is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe, and the he sovereignty rule over history.

Jesus being fully Human could experience temptation to sin, but being very God and having sinless humanity nature, could never actually sin