The Invitation System and the Altar Call

[ReverendRV]

Listening...
I had forgotten @Rescued One had said, "When one receives the new birth, he is saved."
which would lead to my next question, "Can a person be saved, without being forgiven?".

I'll start a Thread...

 

[ReverendRV]

I'll start a Thread...

Thread 'Can the Logical and Temporal Orders be the same?'

May 10, 2025

When one receives the new birth, he is saved. https://christcentered.community.fo...on-system-and-the-altar-call.2240/post-117449

Can a person receive the new birth without being forgiven? https://christcentered.community.fo...on-system-and-the-altar-call.2240/post-117461

Can Regeneration and Forgiveness happen at the same time, and both be First without one being second?

Can The New Birth and Justification through Faith both happen in the twinkling of an eye simultaneously, in a way we cannot experientially know which came first?

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[Rescued One]

Listening...
I had forgotten @Rescued One had said, "When one receives the new birth, he is saved."
which would lead to my next question, "Can a person be saved, without being forgiven?".

How could anyone think God doesn't forgive? Do you think God saves people one day and doesn't forgive the one He is saving? Which denomination do you follow??? I've attended several.

 

[prism]

How could anyone think God doesn't forgive? Do you think God saves people one day and doesn't forgive the one He is saving? Which denomination do you follow??? I've attended several.

I'll just ask you one question, (from post #117).."Can a person receive the new birth without being forgiven?"

Hint:
Romans 4:5-7 KJV
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [6] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [7] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

 

[Hazelelponi]

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[EarlyActs]

I was reading a few articles about the invitation system and the alter call, and I thought I would share some here.

The Invitation System and the Altar Call
For the start of this thread, the credit goes to: Peter Ditzel

I am going to ask you to come forward. Up there—down there—I want you to come. You come right now quickly. If you are with friends or relatives, they will wait for you. Don't let distance keep you from Christ. It's a long way, but Christ went all the way to the Cross because He loved you. Certainly you can come these few steps and give your life to Him . . .

{Italics mine}
Does anyone see anything wrong with Billy Graham's invitation?
I sure do.
Some may be in support of the invitation system, and it is also very good to understand it and know why many Christians are against it as well.
Let's see what Mr. Ditzel has to say about it"

A person realizing that Christ substituted for their sins has nothing else to decide about, simply seeing that that’s true. There are no additional human techniques necessary. They might need supporting thoughts like where sin came from or our nature; or who needs a debt to be paid up; or that it is the supreme act of divine love. But not ‘steps to accept Christ.’

And please, not our “accepting” Christ the moment we are learning God accepted us through Christ!

 

[Rescued One]

I'll just ask you one question, (from post #117).."Can a person receive the new birth without being forgiven?"

Hint:
Romans 4:5-7 KJV
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [6] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [7] , Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Congratulations!

 

[prism]

Congratulations!

Still waiting on your answer, "Can a person receive the new birth without being forgiven?" (post #124)

 

[Rescued One]

Every individual whom God regenerates is forgiven. Do you not understand Ephesians 2? Why would you think God is not responsible for the new birth? I fail to comprehend your confusion.

 

[Rescued One]

Every individual whom God regenerates is forgiven. Do you not understand Ephesians 2? Why would you think God is not responsible for the new birth? I fail to comprehend your confusion.

@prism

Please explain why you disagree with the above post.

 

[prism]

@prism

Please explain why you disagree with the above post.

You assumed too much such as...

Do you not understand Ephesians 2? Why would you think God is not responsible for the new birth? I fail to comprehend your confusion.

 

[Rescued One]

You assumed too much such as...

I disagree that I assume too much. I base my beliefs on the Bible.

Ephesians 1
3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will...

God gives the new birth because it is His will and we can't give it to ourselves. I will share my beliefs and use Bible verses. I won't argue or debate.

 

[prism]

I will share my beliefs and use Bible verses. I won't argue or debate.

Or discuss?

 

[Rescued One]

Or discuss?

I'm sorry but I don't know what you want me to say. Is my previous post hard to understand? Is Ephesians 1:3-5 puzzling?

 

[Rescued One]

Perhaps you disagree that we have the new birth when we are regenerated. I was married for about 43 years and went to churches with my husband who would not discuss the Bible with anyone. I'm trying to learn and so far Arial and ReverendRV have been most helpful.

 

[Rescued One]

Listening...
I had forgotten @Rescued One had said, "When one receives the new birth, he is saved."
which would lead to my next question, "Can a person be saved, without being forgiven?".

So are you saying we are saved to eternal life without being forgiven?

 

[Hazelelponi]

disagree that I assume too much. I base my beliefs on the Bible.

It's not the Bible you're assuming something about, it's @prism who is an individual.

Something that was said to me when I was first here is that the people here are Christians.

Keeping that in mind, look for the answer to your question (your question as to what @prism is saying) that makes the answer come up Christian. It can be more difficult when you come from a place your pretty sure no Christians exist but we can relax here and feel safe.

They are discussing the logical order without listing everything in every post, he's pointing out to you that forgiveness is a given because you can't have one without the other.

There's always going to be someone(s) who you understand better than others but it's not because everyone is not trying to be helpful, they just are not as easy for you to understand.

 

[Rescued One]

It's not the Bible you're assuming something about, it's @prism who is an individual.

Something that was said to me when I was first here is that the people here are Christians.

Keeping that in mind, look for the answer to your question (your question as to what @prism is saying) that makes the answer come up Christian. It can be more difficult when you come from a place your pretty sure no Christians exist but we can relax here and feel safe.

They are discussing the logical order without listing everything in every post, he's pointing out to you that forgiveness is a given because you can't have one without the other.

There's always going to be someone(s) who you understand better than others but it's not because everyone is not trying to be helpful, they just are not as easy for you to understand.

I asked questions for better understanding of what he believes.

 

[Rescued One]

It's not the Bible you're assuming something about, it's @prism who is an individual.

Something that was said to me when I was first here is that the people here are Christians.

Keeping that in mind, look for the answer to your question (your question as to what @prism is saying) that makes the answer come up Christian. It can be more difficult when you come from a place your pretty sure no Christians exist but we can relax here and feel safe.

They are discussing the logical order without listing everything in every post, he's pointing out to you that forgiveness is a given because you can't have one without the other.

There's always going to be someone(s) who you understand better than others but it's not because everyone is not trying to be helpful, they just are not as easy for you to understand.

He didn't say he agrees that we are forgiven.

 

[ReverendRV]

What's the difference between Street Evangelicalism and an Alter Call?