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The Definition of Real Science

Is it cheating if you have an eyewitness
Of course not. It's just not necessary (although it helps).

...the bible...
Uh, what the bible?

then you look at the strata and see that millions upon millions of years are not required to form them but a world wide flood formed them?
So not only do you contradict the entire field of biology (which, in its modern form, is based on evolution), but you also contradict geology, too?

I'm going to believe my lyin' eyes, and not you. Unless you can marshal the evidence, and have it stand up to scrutiny from geologists.
 
Of course not. It's just not necessary (although it helps).


Uh, what the bible?


So not only do you contradict the entire field of biology (which, in its modern form, is based on evolution), but you also contradict geology, too?

I'm going to believe my lyin' eyes, and not you. Unless you can marshal the evidence, and have it stand up to scrutiny from geologists.

FOSSILIZED TREES CUT THROUGH MILLIONS OF YEARS OF ROCK LAYERS

So those "layers of millions of years" of solid rock had to be formed by a great deluge burying them all in that way.
 
It is more about the Lord ministering rather than how you are accusing me as not having an honest conversation with you.
I'm willing to re-characterize your approach to this conversation. How would *you* characterize someone in a conversation who declines to offer an explanation?

I did not say that evolution theory did but I pointed out that on the chromosome level we are closer to the pig than the ape and yet you share that bit of info and so now I address it as why they say we share a common ancestor with something else when we are closer to the pig on that chromosome level?
OK, if we want to discuss this issue, can you first provide a link to an authoritative source that says how close we are to pigs chromosomal compared to how close we are to apes (but, then again, we *are* part of the ape family, so you'll need to refine exactly what you mean there). Perhaps you mean chimpanzee, which is one of our closest relatives?

No. I do not agree with that evolutionary concept at all.
So, if you don't agree that gills don't have to disappear before lungs evolve, that would seem to mean that you *do* hold that gills would *have to* disappear before lungs evolve. Is that what you hold?

Hardly any evidence at all when it has never been observed but assumed as existing only in the minds of the imagination.
This reduces to the idea that we don't need to have an eyewitness to something to make conclusions about it. So, see below.

By the way, you never responded to this, which relates directly to the lack of a need for an eyewitness:
If you wake up one morning, look out your window, and see that everything is wet, you can't promptly conclude it rained overnight because you weren't an eyewitness it to?

You did not read my post carefully. I had posted:

A case can be proven when there are eyewitnesses to the account,
I never denied that. It's like you don't understand the logic that's going on. You attempted to discredit evolution because there's no eyewitness. I replied that an eyewitness isn't needed, just like detectives don't need it. That doesn't mean that cases can't be proven when there is an eyewitness, so saying that cases can be proven with eyewitnesses is meaningless, it doesn't change anything about not needing an eyewitness.

but if your superiors are going to insist that you follow one crime scene that was supposedly solved to apply it to all other crime scenes, then that same butler did it every time.
This has nothing to do with whether you need an eyewitness to solve a crime.

Thus alluding to the definition of real science which has to be observed and proven. You have to have eyewitnesses acount.
Can you find me an authoritative source that says this? Everything I've read about science doesn't say that.

Real science is about what can be observed and proven.
Not only is that not stated precisely enough to move the argument along (what does "is about" actually mean? Of course science **uses** observation, but it doesn't need to observe the phenomenon in question, it can make inferences, so does that mean that science is or is not about what can be observed? Who knows?), but you've been told repeatedly that science doesn't prove things; it makes conclusions that might be 99.99% certain, but that's not a proof.

Shall I apply the reverse that what cannot be observed and therefore no proven is a false science? Is it not logical?
See above.

It is magic when it is not observed.
Try telling that to a detective that solves a case without an eyewitness.

It is akin to believing the bullet macroevolved itself in the victim's corpse for how it had died. So case of death is natural. No murder at all.
No, evolution is based on evidence. Did you read the 29 evidences for evolution that I linked?

I only referred to that as proof of tainted education, sir. You are only confirming it.
How is that proof of whose tainted education? I don't know what you mean. Can you write more clearly?

The Law of Biogenesis does.
What?! You just said that the Law of Biogenesis says that a dog will give birth to something other than a dog. What?

remember that pesky law of science which disprove the macroevolution of this evolution theory?
As if you mentioned some law of science that disproves macroevolution? What on earth are you talking about?

And an example of that is where we can see?
Every time any organism gives birth. Did you really need to ask me that?

A lion & a tiger were by man's intervention,
No, that's not what I said. You have to be precise in your writing, this is a major problem.

thus by intelligent design, bred together to create a new species, a liger, both male & female, but they cannot reproduce in carrying on that new species. Same for a mule from a donkey & a horse. They females can mate with their other species still, if I recall that correctly, but as for continuing on as that new species, they cannot.

See the problem?
Gosh, no, I honestly don't. Can you explain it in another way?

Science with an established bio system
What on earth is a bio system that science has established?

cannot breed new species for it to continue on as a new species
Why is this relevant?

and yet we are supposed to believe that by random chance,
It's not just by random chance. Mutations in DNA are random in many respects, but natural selection, which is an essential part of evolution, is not at all random.

macroevolution will occur where they are no longer that former specie that can breed with the former species,
That's pretty close.

and yet somehow out of this random chance, an opposite sex will be provided for that new species for this new species to continue?
Are you seriously suggesting that the availability of the opposite sex kills the theory of evolution? I just need that confirmed before I go on, because it is kinda wild.

Ah, I might as well just get to the punchline. A mutation in DNA can well be dominant, which means that if only one parent has that mutation, all the offspring will, too. That takes care of the problem of the opposite sex.

What does the power of observation tell you there? Macroevolution is not happening ever.
See above.
 
I'm willing to re-characterize your approach to this conversation. How would *you* characterize someone in a conversation who declines to offer an explanation?
Explanation was provided but you just didn't like it. Yu wish to control the narrative when the narrative is faulty to begin with.
OK, if we want to discuss this issue, can you first provide a link to an authoritative source that says how close we are to pigs chromosomal compared to how close we are to apes (but, then again, we *are* part of the ape family, so you'll need to refine exactly what you mean there). Perhaps you mean chimpanzee, which is one of our closest relatives?
Well, according to this web site, science is now saying the opposite, supposedly. I know. That is what science does; update it when ever evidence is more forthcoming, but one scientific article favoring the evolution theory did report that as such.

How Much DNA Do Humans Share With Other Animals and Plants?

Just like now someone is theorizing that we are descendent as a hybrid from a chimp & pig union.

Are humans descended from chimp-pig hybrids?

Not likely.
So, if you don't agree that gills don't have to disappear before lungs evolve, that would seem to mean that you *do* hold that gills would *have to* disappear before lungs evolve. Is that what you hold?
You are theorizing. Might as well say that our arms will have to disappear before our wings can appear. It is not going to happen there either.
This reduces to the idea that we don't need to have an eyewitness to something to make conclusions about it. So, see below.

By the way, you never responded to this, which relates directly to the lack of a need for an eyewitness:

If you wake up one morning, look out your window, and see that everything is wet, you can't promptly conclude it rained overnight because you weren't an eyewitness it to?
Well, you just observed something did happen recently.

Hardly the same thing when you have not observed a new species that is a new living transitional specie rather than a hybrid or some new kind of that species that it can still have sexual relations with in reproduction.
I never denied that. It's like you don't understand the logic that's going on. You attempted to discredit evolution because there's no eyewitness. I replied that an eyewitness isn't needed, just like detectives don't need it. That doesn't mean that cases can't be proven when there is an eyewitness, so saying that cases can be proven with eyewitnesses is meaningless, it doesn't change anything about not needing an eyewitness.
Elementary, my dear Watson. What has always been observed can discredit that which never has been observed. The Law of Biogenesis which has disproven spontaneous generation does in fact disprove spontaneous generation of new genetic material being added to a living organism.
This has nothing to do with whether you need an eyewitness to solve a crime.
Ah, but if what we can observed and has been proven can indeed disprove what is imagined to have occurred.
Can you find me an authoritative source that says this? Everything I've read about science doesn't say that.
That definition of real science is not authoritative enough for you?
 
Of course not. It's just not necessary (although it helps).


Uh, what the bible?
Gods word.
So not only do you contradict the entire field of biology (which, in its modern form, is based on evolution), but you also contradict geology, too?

I'm going to believe my lyin' eyes, and not you. Unless you can marshal the evidence, and have it stand up to scrutiny from geologists.
I don't contradict your geology...the polystrate fossils do.
 
Not only is that not stated precisely enough to move the argument along (what does "is about" actually mean? Of course science **uses** observation, but it doesn't need to observe the phenomenon in question, it can make inferences, so does that mean that science is or is not about what can be observed? Who knows?), but you've been told repeatedly that science doesn't prove things; it makes conclusions that might be 99.99% certain, but that's not a proof.
Who is to say that science can observe de-evolution instead?

Strange egg-shaped skulls uncovered all over the world mystify scientists See more at https://english.pravda.ru/science/9027-skulls/

Even though the DNA testing proved they were not aliens but human skulls, this method of the Mayans shows how it is done, supposedly for beauty.

The Maya Concept of Beauty

From my vacation to Mexico, I had learned that there was a special rulers of society but they were not rulers, but benefactors to society as this method was used on children born at a certain time from which the family would gladly give them up to those elites as they would give the infant to a heavy set woman as shown in a wooden glyph, that would bind a board on the infants forehead for that development. It is said to increase the intellect in regards to math and science. From these elites came the Mayan calendar which ended in 2012 as well as any other knowledge that would benefit their society.

But hey, science knew about these skulls and never bothered to collect data like the one I found for explaining them rather than dismissing them.

Just like they have found giant human skeletons but the internet ran a hoax contest to counter any real finding on the internet to hide the truth from the public.

Anyway, I digress. For the longest time, they ignored these skulls and still do, because it runs counter to the evolution theory and therefore they are bias, as they are in dealing with any evidence that counter the evolution theory.

Anything that creates a hiccup, they avoid or ignore like finding fossilized land animal bones on the Andes mountaintops buried with fossilized whale bones and other marine fossils in one smooth gradient meaning they were buried together under that same layer of sediment that they were both fossilized by, but because of the reservoir effect which they had forgotten about in applying, is why they see it as buried at different times rather than at the same time.

They cannot say the mountains rose suddenly from the sea trapping marine life in that layer of sediment while ignoring how land animal fossils were found buried with them in that same layer of sediment which means they were buried together at the same time by the global flood.
 
Explanation was provided but you just didn't like it. Yu wish to control the narrative when the narrative is faulty to begin with.
I'll try again: "How would *you* characterize someone in a conversation who declines to offer an explanation?"

Here's a start to an answer: "I'd characterize declining to offer an explanation as _____________________________________."

Well, according to this web site, science is now saying the opposite, supposedly. I know. That is what science does; update it when ever evidence is more forthcoming, but one scientific article favoring the evolution theory did report that as such.

How Much DNA Do Humans Share With Other Animals and Plants?
One scientific article ≠ science, nor a scientific conclusion, necessarily. Until science as whole concludes that we're closer to pigs than apes, there's no reason to consider it true.
https://thednatests.com/how-much-dna-do-humans-share-with-other-animals/#:~:text=The genetic DNA similarity between pigs and human,and pigs have even taken place, called xenotransplants.
Just like now someone is theorizing that we are descendent as a hybrid from a chimp & pig union.

Are humans descended from chimp-pig hybrids?
Not relevant to our conversation about evolution.

Not likely.
You are theorizing. Might as well say that our arms will have to disappear before our wings can appear. It is not going to happen there either.
I'm asking YOU what YOU hold. Read my comment again.

Well, you just observed something did happen recently.
Can. You. Just. Answer. My. Question?! "If you wake up one morning, look out your window, and see that everything is wet, you can't promptly conclude it rained overnight because you weren't an eyewitness it to?"

Hardly the same thing when you have not observed a new species that is a new living transitional specie rather than a hybrid or some new kind of that species that it can still have sexual relations with in reproduction.
Yes, I agree that speciation is different from seeing if it rained. But that doesn't matter, does it?

Elementary, my dear Watson. What has always been observed can discredit that which never has been observed. The Law of Biogenesis which has disproven spontaneous generation does in fact disprove spontaneous generation of new genetic material being added to a living organism.
Your law of biogenesis means nothing - you haven't produced a scientific source, much less confirmed it's the consensus in science, that claims it. Not even your own dictionary definition used the word "law" in it. You're just making stuff up, without any evidence.

Ah, but if what we can observed and has been proven can indeed disprove what is imagined to have occurred.
That has nothing to do with whether one needs an eyewitness to solve a crime.

That definition of real science is not authoritative enough for you?
The question is whether it's real or not. You claim it without any evidence or support, so there is no reason to believe you. You're just spouting words.
 
Gods word.

I don't contradict your geology...the polystrate fossils do.
Don't be tedious. Your use of those fossils in this argument runs counter to the scientific field of geology. I'm going with my lyin' eyes, and not you, no offense. Why should I believe what you say about those fossils as opposed to what the actual scientific field of geology says?
 
Who is to say that science can observe de-evolution instead?

Strange egg-shaped skulls uncovered all over the world mystify scientists See more at https://english.pravda.ru/science/9027-skulls/

Even though the DNA testing proved they were not aliens but human skulls, this method of the Mayans shows how it is done, supposedly for beauty.

The Maya Concept of Beauty

From my vacation to Mexico, I had learned that there was a special rulers of society but they were not rulers, but benefactors to society as this method was used on children born at a certain time from which the family would gladly give them up to those elites as they would give the infant to a heavy set woman as shown in a wooden glyph, that would bind a board on the infants forehead for that development. It is said to increase the intellect in regards to math and science. From these elites came the Mayan calendar which ended in 2012 as well as any other knowledge that would benefit their society.

But hey, science knew about these skulls and never bothered to collect data like the one I found for explaining them rather than dismissing them.

Just like they have found giant human skeletons but the internet ran a hoax contest to counter any real finding on the internet to hide the truth from the public.

Anyway, I digress. For the longest time, they ignored these skulls and still do, because it runs counter to the evolution theory and therefore they are bias, as they are in dealing with any evidence that counter the evolution theory.
Howe can they still be ignoring those skulls when you yourself say that scientists are mystified by them? Here's another question for you, but I doubt that you have the intellectual courage to answer it: "Do you not see that that is a logical contradiction"?

(That is the lengths I have to go to to try and wrangle an actual answer.)

Anything that creates a hiccup, they avoid or ignore
That is so patently false as to be ludicrous. Science is replete with changes, modifications, etc. to what is known. Even the simplest study of science shows this.

like finding fossilized land animal bones on the Andes mountaintops buried with fossilized whale bones and other marine fossils in one smooth gradient meaning they were buried together under that same layer of sediment that they were both fossilized by, but because of the reservoir effect which they had forgotten about in applying, is why they see it as buried at different times rather than at the same time.

They cannot say the mountains rose suddenly from the sea trapping marine life in that layer of sediment while ignoring how land animal fossils were found buried with them in that same layer of sediment which means they were buried together at the same time by the global flood.
 
Who is to say that science can observe de-evolution instead?

Strange egg-shaped skulls uncovered all over the world mystify scientists See more at https://english.pravda.ru/science/9027-skulls/

Even though the DNA testing proved they were not aliens but human skulls, this method of the Mayans shows how it is done, supposedly for beauty.

The Maya Concept of Beauty

From my vacation to Mexico, I had learned that there was a special rulers of society but they were not rulers, but benefactors to society as this method was used on children born at a certain time from which the family would gladly give them up to those elites as they would give the infant to a heavy set woman as shown in a wooden glyph, that would bind a board on the infants forehead for that development. It is said to increase the intellect in regards to math and science. From these elites came the Mayan calendar which ended in 2012 as well as any other knowledge that would benefit their society.

But hey, science knew about these skulls and never bothered to collect data like the one I found for explaining them rather than dismissing them.

Just like they have found giant human skeletons but the internet ran a hoax contest to counter any real finding on the internet to hide the truth from the public.

Anyway, I digress. For the longest time, they ignored these skulls and still do, because it runs counter to the evolution theory and therefore they are bias, as they are in dealing with any evidence that counter the evolution theory.

Anything that creates a hiccup, they avoid or ignore like finding fossilized land animal bones on the Andes mountaintops buried with fossilized whale bones and other marine fossils in one smooth gradient meaning they were buried together under that same layer of sediment that they were both fossilized by, but because of the reservoir effect which they had forgotten about in applying, is why they see it as buried at different times rather than at the same time.

They cannot say the mountains rose suddenly from the sea trapping marine life in that layer of sediment while ignoring how land animal fossils were found buried with them in that same layer of sediment which means they were buried together at the same time by the global flood.
Actually, please ignore my previous comments. What I'd really like to say is this: you have now turned this into a Gish Gallop. You throw out anomaly after debunked claim after whackadoodle theory and we never get to the bottom of any of them, because you just move onto the next one. You can't even say if it rained overnight when you wake up and see everything wet. It's just absurd to continue like this with you. You have no idea how to conduct an actual conversation on rational, intellectually honest terms. So, I'm done with this conversation. Good bye, I wish you well.
 
Gods word.

I don't contradict your geology...the polystrate fossils do.
I do not believe we should continue to reach those that oppose themselves les we think we are doing so by the sound wisdom of men when obviously it as to be done by the Spirit's power in opening their eyes & ears to hear and see the truth in His words and the lies in that science..

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

I mean as led by the Lord; we tried this;

Isaiah 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

But if they are not reasoning with the Lord, it may be why they are not seeing the truth He leads us to share in science and the Bible.

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

So obviously, prayer is needed.

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

It might be why with all the misinformation and woke control of the internet & current day apostasies is why God will need to do an intervention at the pre great tribulation rapture event.
 
Don't be tedious. Your use of those fossils in this argument runs counter to the scientific field of geology. I'm going with my lyin' eyes, and not you, no offense. Why should I believe what you say about those fossils as opposed to what the actual scientific field of geology says?
The answer can be summed up in two words......COMMON SENSE.
 
The answer can be summed up in two words......COMMON SENSE.
Common sense is not how science works. Using common sense will make you miss those things that run counter to common sense, like the earth rotating around the sun, for starters.
 
Common sense is not how science works. Using common sense will make you miss those things that run counter to common sense, like the earth rotating around the sun, for starters.
And common sense tells us that a fossilized tree didn't stand for millions of years as the sediment slowly built up around it without rotting away...or that biomaterial could survive for 65+ MY's with out rotting away.

Common sense Gus.
 
And common sense tells us that a fossilized tree didn't stand for millions of years as the sediment slowly built up around it without rotting away...or that biomaterial could survive for 65+ MY's with out rotting away.

Common sense Gus.
mt st helens created fossilized trees which disproves the millions of years theories and carbon dating.
 
mt st helens created fossilized trees which disproves the millions of years theories and carbon dating.
Mt St Helens also produced the "mini Grand canyon"

Q: Could the Mount St. Helens eruption be a model of how the Grand Canyon was formed?

In 1980 the Mount St. Helens volcano blew lots of mud and debris into a valley and completely blocked the Toutle River. Twenty-two months later the lake that had built up behind the mud dam got too full and flowed over the top. In less than nine hours, the roaring water cut three miniatures “Grand Canyons.” One was 140 feet deep, 1,000 feet wide, and 2,000 feet long.
 
And common sense tells us that a fossilized tree didn't stand for millions of years as the sediment slowly built up around it without rotting away...or that biomaterial could survive for 65+ MY's with out rotting away.

Common sense Gus.
And common sense is not how science works. Using common sense will make you miss those things that run counter to common sense, like the earth rotating around the sun, for starters.
 
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