The Apostate Church: New Apostolic Reformation

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I will post a couple of links that give the history and beliefs of this movement, and will pull a few quotes from them. It has always existed within the heresies of Christ's church in one form or another, but began invading it more and more in the 19th century and became full blown, almost overtaking all of Christianity in the 1990's with the father of the movement, C. Peter Wagner.

Though he claims that it is the devil who kept the things taught in NAR hidden from the church, it is truly the invasion of his teaching that is the work of the spiritual powers of darkness reaching into Christ's church, to wreck havoc on it. However we are assured that the gates of hell will not prevail against his church. And the only reason that is certain is because God saves his people, his elect, by his own hand and power, placing them firmly in Christ. So there are no doubt many true believers within the NAR movement, even though they are deceived on many levels. The teaching sounds good and right, and that is the danger of it. It actually teaches the new Christian, those who have been truly converted by God in the new birth and placed in Christ through faith, to not be discerning. To not test the spirits against the word of God, and so they never become discerning. If you read the links and you will see that Wagner actually taught against bringing theology into the church, and therefore against theologically sound doctrine as is given us in the NT.

Another danger is that it not a registered denomination but reaches its tentacles into all of them, most prominently in the charismatic and Pentecostal movements. It is not organized and yet is also based on some of the same heresies of the Catholic church. That of apostolic succession and the authority of these self appointed apostles to be the sole interpreters of the scriptures.

6 Things to Know about the New Apostolic Reformation

4 – Theocracy​

This is the way dominion will be achieved on the earth. Here is another quote from C. Peter Wagner. "The way to achieve dominion is not to become “America’s Taliban,” but rather to have kingdom-minded people in every one of the Seven Mountains: Religion, Family, Education, Government, Media, Arts & Entertainment, and Business so that they can use their influence to create an environment in which the blessings and prosperity of the Kingdom of God can permeate all areas of society."

Extra-Biblical Revelation​

According to NAR prognosticators, God is still providing revelation that flows outside of what God has already revealed in his word. Now according to C. Peter Wagner, these revelations have to be in agreement with Scripture, but you will discover that is often not the case.

6 – Supernatural Signs and Wonders​

Within NAR circles and to be fair other charismatic movements, miracles, signs, and wonders are still in operation and viable for the church today. If you are moving in an apostolic office, then these miraculous signs and wonders should follow you.

modernreformation.org/resources/essays/the-framing-of-a-movement-defining-the-new-apostolic-reformation





Perhaps the hardest part of understanding the NAR’s theology is that it devalues theology and theological thinking. According to C. Peter Wagner, who was in many ways the godfather of the NAR, the leaders within the movement “have little or no desire to traverse many of the traditional pathways laid down by professional academic theologians.” Wagner continues, “I have never offered a course in systematic theology simply because there would be virtually no demand for it among our in-service, apostolically oriented student body.”

I hope these links will be read and studied.

 

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Well, lets see where this goes...Lets start with the Seven Mountains...

"Religion, Family, Education, Government, Media, Arts & Entertainment, and Business so that they can use their influence to create an environment in which the blessings and prosperity of the Kingdom of God can permeate all areas of society."

I basically agree with the above, that is, as Christians we should be present in all of the above. For example if the Christians dominated the school boards we wouldn't be having the problems with CRT, trans, marxist concepts and so on. The same could be said for the other mountains.

I pretty much disagree with the motive of NAR. If I've read and understand them correctly......when the Christians take over the "mountains" only then can Jesus Christ return.
I pretty much see that as not happening in that fashion when I read the book of Revelation. Revelation is the future and the future for the world is pretty grim.

 

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Well, lets see where this goes...Lets start with the Seven Mountains...

"Religion, Family, Education, Government, Media, Arts & Entertainment, and Business so that they can use their influence to create an environment in which the blessings and prosperity of the Kingdom of God can permeate all areas of society."

I basically agree with the above, that is, as Christians we should be present in all of the above. For example if the Christians dominated the school boards we wouldn't be having the problems with CRT, trans, marxist concepts and so on. The same could be said for the other mountains.

I pretty much disagree with the motive of NAR. If I've read and understand them correctly......when the Christians take over the "mountains" only then can Jesus Christ return.
I pretty much see that as not happening in that fashion when I read the book of Revelation. Revelation is the future and the future for the world is pretty grim.

Please don't bring the Book of Revelation and End times into the thread. Your beliefs on that do not have to be brought into every discussion. It is something that can be left unsaid. Thank you.

The Bible never tells us that Christians are to dominate all aspects of society. It says we are to be a light to the world. And your agreement shows just How deceptive and subtle the NAR is. And how it permeates our thinking to the extent that we do not even know it is there, let alone that the premise is wrong.

It is good that Christian values, the precepts taught us in the NT under the New Covenant, (though they were there in the old covenant too, but through a legal code)are what we express in our lives, and hold to, whether we are a politician or an educator, in our families and business, if we are an artist, a writer, an entertainer or work in media. It is the same mandate given to Israel that they threw over when they demanded a king like the other nations. They were meant to be a light unto the world and a witness of the one true and living God. Christianity is not meant to be a dominating government body that controls the whole world through laws and tyranny. (That was also one of the mistakes of the RCC.)

It is good to vote and even a duty. But a duty to country and not a duty mandated by God. Some really bad presidents would have been elected if our sole reason for voting for someone was "Are they a Christian?" of "Where do they stand on abortion?" instead of their qualifications to do the job and do it in the best interests of the people they serve. The NAR stance of taking over the world for Christ is a threat to democracy. Fortunately they are doomed to fail because it is not God's plan or purpose.

 

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Please don't bring the Book of Revelation and End times into the thread. Your beliefs on that do not have to be brought into every discussion. It is something that can be left unsaid. Thank you.

The Bible never tells us that Christians are to dominate all aspects of society. It says we are to be a light to the world. And your agreement shows just How deceptive and subtle the NAR is. And how it permeates our thinking to the extent that we do not even know it is there, let alone that the premise is wrong.

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I said there is nothing wrong with christian involvement in what NAR calls the "mountains". What I have said is that the NAR's will not achieve their goal because the future Revelation presents isn't written that way.

It is good that Christian values, the precepts taught us in the NT under the New Covenant, (though they were there in the old covenant too, but through a legal code)are what we express in our lives, and hold to, whether we are a politician or an educator, in our families and business, if we are an artist, a writer, an entertainer or work in media. It is the same mandate given to Israel that they threw over when they demanded a king like the other nations. They were meant to be a light unto the world and a witness of the one true and living God. Christianity is not meant to be a dominating government body that controls the whole world through laws and tyranny. (That was also one of the mistakes of the RCC.)

It is good to vote and even a duty. But a duty to country and not a duty mandated by God. Some really bad presidents would have been elected if our sole reason for voting for someone was "Are they a Christian?" of "Where do they stand on abortion?" instead of their qualifications to do the job and do it in the best interests of the people they serve. The NAR stance of taking over the world for Christ is a threat to democracy. Fortunately they are doomed to fail because it is not God's plan or purpose.

Fortunately they are doomed to fail because it is not God's plan or purpose......

 

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Face Palm....Oh PLLLLLLease Arial.

I said there is nothing wrong with christian involvement in what NAR calls the "mountains". What I have said is that the NAR's will not achieve their goal because the future Revelation presents isn't written that way.

Fortunately they are doomed to fail because it is not God's plan or purpose......

Which is what I said.