Split: Can President Trump handle the 'Pandora's Box' of Iran War?

[makesends]

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Those that GET OIL from the Straight of Hormuz, should help protect the Straight of Hormuz from a Terrorist Nation attacking THEIR oil supply ... what a concept!

[I suppose the US could just send them a BILL for the cost of the US Navy protecting their oil supply for them.]

It would be useful to see the destinations-per-source. For example, this makes it look like all of Saudi Arabia's oil goes to China. "So who cares about Iran's oil?" kind of thing. But, true, it does indicate to some degree (as measured by the barrel) that China and Saudi have the most to lose.

 

[QVQ]

This one seems to be a neutral source...
10 key questions Congress must ask about the Iran war

One of the questions posed in this article is "how do we pay for it"
We have spent Billions if not Trillions since 1979 dealing with Iranian sponsored terrorism, aggression toward neighbors and endless continuing hostilities in the Middle East.

An analogy: All the terrorism, hostilities and agresssions in the Middle East that is sponsored and promoted by Iran is like putting out fires that keep flaring up in Iran's continual agression toward it's neighbors and the west.
This war will actually lead to less military spending in the long run. It is the brilliant concept of arresting the Pyromaniac, aka Iran and put an end to this continuos expensive fire fight.

 

[atpollard]

It would be useful to see the destinations-per-source. For example, this makes it look like all of Saudi Arabia's oil goes to China. "So who cares about Iran's oil?" kind of thing. But, true, it does indicate to some degree (as measured by the barrel) that China and Saudi have the most to lose.

The analysis of Kharg Island (post #3) revealed that 3 million barrels of Iranian Oil flow out of Kharg Island (90% of Iran's total oil exports) and China imports 3 million barrels of Oil from the Straight of Hormuz ... so China appears to buy ALL of the Iranian oil and Saudi Arabia supplies almost everyone else (which makes sense given the embargo and how much oil Saudi Arabia exports ... 7 mbpd in total).

So, India should get over there and protect those Saudi Tankers. China could do it with a phone call (if there is anyone in Iran to pick up the phone). China is to Iran as the US is to Israel.

 

[Arial]

This one seems to be a neutral source...
10 key questions Congress must ask about the Iran war

A neutral source? The gist seems to be that we should be giving those weapons that are being used against our enemy to Ukraine and Asia.

 

[Arial]

It is about time someone had the courage to do what needed to be done and long time ago.

 

[John Bauer]

Then I must have misunderstood what Pandora's Box means, but there seems to be many others coming to the same conclusion …

[Insert links to articles calling it a Pandora’s Box.]

What, did you search for “pandora’s box + trump + iran”?

Do any of these articles, in your opinion, make a solid case for the conflict with Iran being a Pandora’s Box?

 

[Hobie]

What, did you search for “pandora’s box + trump + iran”?

Do any of these articles, in your opinion, make a solid case for the conflict with Iran being a Pandora’s Box?

Well, I dont know if they do, but the news justs keeps getting worse as the unintended results of Presidents actions has generated many complicated problems and become "a source of endless complications or trouble"

Here is the latest that has sprung up from it, hopefully from a good source...

"Live updates: Energy prices soar as Trump threatens to blow up Iran gas field and Tehran intensifies Gulf retaliation​

The president threatened to “massively blow up the entirety” of the world’s largest gas field if Iran attacks Qatar again. Tehran was retaliating for an Israeli missile attack yesterday on the facility, South Pars.

By NBC News

What we know​

• GAS FIELD ATTACKS: Iran escalated strikes on energy sites in neighboring Gulf states, including a key facility in Qatar, as it retaliated for an Israeli attack on South Pars, the world's biggest gas field. Oil and gas prices soared again as the strikes intensified the global energy crisis.
• TRUMP ISSUES NEW THREAT: President Donald Trump said there would be no further attacks on South Pars unless Iran attacks Qatar again, in which case the U.S. “will massively blow up the entirety” of the gas field. Trump said the U.S. “knew nothing about” the Israeli attack, though a senior official close to Qatar's leaders disputed that to NBC News.
• U.S. TARGETS MISSILE SITES NEAR HORMUZ: The U.S. said it struck Iranian missile sites along the coast of the Strait of Hormuz, where Iran has attacked ships to effectively block the vital shipping waterway. Iran’s parliament speaker, one of the regime's powerful surviving figures, said the strait “won’t return to its prewar status.”
• LEAK INVESTIGATION: Joe Kent, a former senior intelligence official who resigned in protest over the Iran war, is under investigation by the FBI for allegedly leaking classified information, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News.
• DEATH TOLL: More than 2,000 people have been killed across the Middle East. In Iran, Israeli and American strikes have killed more than 1,200 people, according to the Iranian Red Crescent Society. At least 850 people have been killed in Lebanon, and 13 have died in Israel. Thirteen U.S. service members have been killed, and two more died of noncombat causes.
• INSIGHTS AND ANALYSIS: Get exclusive analysis and insight into the Middle East conflict by becoming an NBC News subscriber.

Live updates: Energy prices soar as Trump threatens to blow up Iran gas field and Tehran intensifies Gulf retaliation

 

[Hobie]

Now why this matters to a reader of Gods Word... if you look we have many text on what would happen at the end and we all know them...

1 Thessalonians 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

We see what is being said... What to know about Trump's "Board of Peace" as world leaders sign founding charter in Davos

Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

With the famines, pestilence, earthquakes, and floods and fires, what more can there be... Global Issues : social, political, economic and environmental issues that affect us all

Matthew 24:3&14
Disciples ask, "...what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
...And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

With the world wide web reaching all parts with the gospel, IMHO I think we are on the tip of there, but thats just me....

 

[makesends]

Well, I dont know if they do, but the news justs keeps getting worse as the unintended results of Presidents actions has generated many complicated problems and become "a source of endless complications or trouble"

Here is the latest that has sprung up from it, hopefully from a good source...

"Live updates: Energy prices soar as Trump threatens to blow up Iran gas field and Tehran intensifies Gulf retaliation​

The president threatened to “massively blow up the entirety” of the world’s largest gas field if Iran attacks Qatar again. Tehran was retaliating for an Israeli missile attack yesterday on the facility, South Pars.

By NBC News

What we know​

• GAS FIELD ATTACKS: Iran escalated strikes on energy sites in neighboring Gulf states, including a key facility in Qatar, as it retaliated for an Israeli attack on South Pars, the world's biggest gas field. Oil and gas prices soared again as the strikes intensified the global energy crisis.
• TRUMP ISSUES NEW THREAT: President Donald Trump said there would be no further attacks on South Pars unless Iran attacks Qatar again, in which case the U.S. “will massively blow up the entirety” of the gas field. Trump said the U.S. “knew nothing about” the Israeli attack, though a senior official close to Qatar's leaders disputed that to NBC News.
• U.S. TARGETS MISSILE SITES NEAR HORMUZ: The U.S. said it struck Iranian missile sites along the coast of the Strait of Hormuz, where Iran has attacked ships to effectively block the vital shipping waterway. Iran’s parliament speaker, one of the regime's powerful surviving figures, said the strait “won’t return to its prewar status.”
• LEAK INVESTIGATION: Joe Kent, a former senior intelligence official who resigned in protest over the Iran war, is under investigation by the FBI for allegedly leaking classified information, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News.
• DEATH TOLL: More than 2,000 people have been killed across the Middle East. In Iran, Israeli and American strikes have killed more than 1,200 people, according to the Iranian Red Crescent Society. At least 850 people have been killed in Lebanon, and 13 have died in Israel. Thirteen U.S. service members have been killed, and two more died of noncombat causes.
• INSIGHTS AND ANALYSIS: Get exclusive analysis and insight into the Middle East conflict by becoming an NBC News subscriber.

Live updates: Energy prices soar as Trump threatens to blow up Iran gas field and Tehran intensifies Gulf retaliation

Coincidence doesn't equal causation, unless NBC news declares it so—or better yet, if it sneakily alludes to it.

What "energy crisis"? "News" sources love that word, "crisis".

Fuel prices soar at every opportunity. Do you remember when they fell precipitously, when Trump became president-elect the first time? He didn't cause them to do so. Katrina hardly slowed oil delivery, and oil production not at all, but "because of Katrina", they jumped high. They climb at every opportunity.

 

[Hobie]

Coincidence doesn't equal causation, unless NBC news declares it so—or better yet, if it sneakily alludes to it.

What "energy crisis"? "News" sources love that word, "crisis".

Fuel prices soar at every opportunity. Do you remember when they fell precipitously, when Trump became president-elect the first time? He didn't cause them to do so. Katrina hardly slowed oil delivery, and oil production not at all, but "because of Katrina", they jumped high. They climb at every opportunity.

Well, its not always a 'big conspiracy' like some of the talking points and impact spun by the news, sometimes the markets are reacting appropriately to the situation, and this has the potential to become even bigger as we see..

"Pentagon asks White House for $200 BILLION as Trump prepares to deploy thousands of troops.....

The Pentagon has requested $200 billion for the war in Iran as President Trump considers deploying thousands of more troops to the region.

The development signaled a potential new phase in the conflict as the US works to secure the Strait of Hormuz amid ongoing bombings.

The funding request comes after a study concluded that the US has spent around $3.7 billion, or $891.4 million a day, on wartime efforts in the first 100 hours of Operation Epic Fury, rising to $11 billion in the first week alone.


Multiple sources told The Washington Post that Pentagon has asked the White House to ask for the funding from Congress.

It was unclear if the White House would honor that request. Some in the Trump administration believe there will be resistance to the measure in Congress.

Democrats remain largely against the war efforts and Kentucky libertarian Rand Paul typically votes against military funding, meaning the 60 votes to avoid a filibuster may not be there.

A spokesperson for the Pentagon declined to comment when reached by The Daily Mail.

The Trump administration is considering sending thousands of troops to reinforce its operation in the Middle East, a US official and three people familiar with the matter told Reuters.

The deployments could help provide Trump with additional options as he weighs expanding US operations, with the Iran war well into its third week....."

MSN

 

[makesends]

The funding request comes after a study concluded that the US has spent around $3.7 billion, or $891.4 million a day, on wartime efforts in the first 100 hours of Operation Epic Fury, rising to $11 billion in the first week alone.

I don't expect you to compare that to the amount of interest the US pays (or fails to pay, anymore—I don't know) on national debt. I'm frankly surprised the 'war' has cost that little.

 

[Hobie]

There is a point in 'The hunt for Red October' where the Navy Admiral says "This business will get out of control", as he warns that the situation is escalating and that they may not survive the chaos that follows.

That is what comes to my mind as the offensive is launched to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. .... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...-latest-news-trump-netanyahu-ground-invasion/

 

[atpollard]

Let me offer an alternative scenario moving forward:

• Iran makes good on its threat to target and destroy Oil/Gas infrastructure across the middle east. Retaliation destroys the Oil and Gas infrastructure in Iran.
• It takes 10-20 years to slowly rebuild that infrastructure, so for the next decade or two, virtually no oil will flow from the Middle East (by any route).
• The new Oil Producing centers for the world shift to Canada/US and Brazil/Venezuela and Russia (all currently high oil exporters).
• Oil prices stabilize at $140 per barrel so gas becomes about $5 per gallon long term.
• For the next DECADE or two, the Middle East becomes irrelevant to world politics (like Africa).

Is $5 per gallon gas worth an end to Terrorism and having to care about what Muslims want?

 

[Hobie]

Let me offer an alternative scenario moving forward:

• Iran makes good on its threat to target and destroy Oil/Gas infrastructure across the middle east. Retaliation destroys the Oil and Gas infrastructure in Iran.
• It takes 10-20 years to slowly rebuild that infrastructure, so for the next decade or two, virtually no oil will flow from the Middle East (by any route).
• The new Oil Producing centers for the world shift to Canada/US and Brazil/Venezuela and Russia (all currently high oil exporters).
• Oil prices stabilize at $140 per barrel so gas becomes about $5 per gallon long term.
• For the next DECADE or two, the Middle East becomes irrelevant to world politics (like Africa).

Is $5 per gallon gas worth an end to Terrorism and having to care about what Muslims want?

I would pay $10 or even $100 dollars a gallon, if it meant peace on earth and goodwill toward man. But we know from Gods Word, what brings that and it is nothing that man can come up with.

 

[atpollard]

I would pay $10 or even $100 dollars a gallon, if it meant peace on earth and goodwill toward man. But we know from Gods Word, what brings that and it is nothing that man can come up with.

“Peace on earth and good will towards men” is a tall order. I mean the USA and Canada are currently fighting and there were never two countries that were more culturally alike, economically interdependent and had NOTHING to fight over since the boundary was drawn by treaty 250 years ago (over an issue that no longer even exists since the UK granted Canada independence, too.). Heck, even Canadians are fighting with THEMSELVES and Americans are fighting with THEMSELVES. I am just pointing out that Iran is threatening to make the Middle East “irrelevant” … which is sort of like a bank robber pointing a gun at himself and calling it a “hostage”.

 

[atpollard]

FYI: Saudi Arabia has a pipeline called the East-West Pipeline that flows to the Red Sea to bypass the Straight of Hormuz and transport 7 million barrels per day to another port that Iran cannot blockade.