Semi-Pelagian?

[Carbon]

The thing is, Calvinism, w/o all 5 points in place, isn't really Calvinism

Totally agree.

 

[JesusFan]

I'm thinking I'm a 5-point Calvinist. Maybe my dau. is attending an Evangelical Free Church. Beats me.

True Calvinists would be ones who subscribe and affirm all of the 5 doctrines of grace

 

[JesusFan]

From what I have researched..going to several Salvation Army sights and checking out their beliefs...they are trinitarian.

I'll have to look.
I did find they believe baptism is a requirement for salvation....which is an error.

They do seem to believe in the trinity....with a slight twist.......but I believe we are getting way off topic.

They uphold the trinity, but have another Gospel, as add water Baptism as requirement to getting really saved

 

[JesusFan]

Most churches don't take an official stance on such things. ChatGPT said:

Summary​

Denomination	Official View on Grace and Will	Semi-Pelagian Leanings?
Methodist / Wesleyan	Prevenient grace enables free choice	Sometimes accused, but no
Evangelical / Baptist (some)	Human choice heavily emphasized	Sometimes, unofficially
Pentecostal / Charismatic	Similar to Wesleyan-Arminian	Possibly, in practice
Reformed / Presbyterian	Total depravity, monergism	No
Lutheran	Grace precedes and enables faith	No

Semi-Pelagianism is a theological view that posits a middle ground between Pelagianism (which denies original sin and emphasizes human self-salvation) and Augustinianism (which emphasizes God's grace in salvation). Essentially, it suggests that while humans are affected by original sin, they retain the capacity to initiate their own salvation by choosing to turn towards God, with God's grace then assisting them in completing the process.

many churchs though would affirm a "free will" gospel over a calvinistic one

 

[JesusFan]

Are some chuches semi-pelagian? My daughter says she's a moderate Calvinist. Please tell me the denominations that are. I need the names.

many state that they are moderate Calvinists, such as Dr Erickson and Dr Geisler, but really they are affirming themselves as being more akin to Evangelical Armianism , as to be a Calvinist must affirm all doctrines of grace 5 points

 

[JesusFan]

Amyraldism (sometimes spelled Amyraldianism) is an off-shoot of Calvinism that holds to four of Calvinism’s five points—limited atonement being the only point to be rejected. For this reason, Amyraldism is sometimes called “four-point Calvinism” or “moderate Calvinism.” Amyraldism is named after Moses Amyraut (Moyses Amyraldus), a 16th-century French theologian who was influential in the development of the doctrine of “hypothetical redemption” or “hypothetical universalism.” Some Calvinists see Amyraldism as a “liberal” form of Calvinism; others see it as an unnecessary compromise with Arminianism; still others see it as inconsistent with itself and therefore illogical.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Amyraldism.html

I'll ask her one of these days. Limited Atonement makes complete sense to me!

I went from non cal and anchored myself for a time in that camp, but after reading Texts and deep diving into the Bible, came to being Calvinist affirming all doctrines of grace , as what helped me on the extent of the atonement was that except for Univerdalists, all do restrict it to soem extent

 

[makesends]

many churchs though would affirm a "free will" gospel over a calvinistic one

Yes, definitely. Most, because of the self-deterministic point-of-view of the modern church. They actually think life is about humanity.

 

[CrowCross]

They uphold the trinity, but have another Gospel, as add water Baptism as requirement to getting really saved

I've been waiting for one of them to show me just what the water does.
For example does it wash away our sin? Of course not the blood of Christ dies that.
Does it prove our obedience or worthiness through this act of water baptism and God says, now I can truly save them? Once again of course not.

 

[fastfredy0]

many churchs though would affirm a "free will" gospel over a calvinistic one

Maybe ... I don't know of a good source to confirm this. My opinion is that most churches purposely avoid most controversial topics regarding biblical interpretation.

 

[JesusFan]

I've been waiting for one of them to show me just what the water does.
For example does it wash away our sin? Of course not the blood of Christ dies that.
Does it prove our obedience or worthiness through this act of water baptism and God says, now I can truly save them? Once again of course not.

They see it as being obedient to Jesus, so proof of real conversion from their point of view . Had a friend of my father who attended that church, died, and talked to the pastor, and he was much more exited that before he died he got water baptized , as that "saved him"

 

[fastfredy0]

They see it as being obedient to Jesus, so proof of real conversion from their point of view . Had a friend of my father who attended that church, died, and talked to the pastor, and he was much more exited that before he died he got water baptized , as that "saved him"

May be sign that the guy is not saved. Galatians speak about people believing they must be circumcised to be saved and Paul says they are "accursed". Sounds like a pretty heavy condemnation, but that's what it says. I wonder about that

 

[CrowCross]

They see it as being obedient to Jesus, so proof of real conversion from their point of view . Had a friend of my father who attended that church, died, and talked to the pastor, and he was much more exited that before he died he got water baptized , as that "saved him"

Baptism is being obedient to Jesus....baptism may have been proof of a real conversion to the early church as they demonstrated a belief in what the baptism meant. Sharing in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ Jesus....but it is not proof to God.

 

[JesusFan]

May be sign that the guy is not saved. Galatians speak about people believing they must be circumcised to be saved and Paul says they are "accursed". Sounds like a pretty heavy condemnation, but that's what it says. I wonder about that

They tended to place it appeared more emphasis on the water then the Holy Spirit Baptism that really saves a lost sinner, but bring them into Jesus and into the Body of Christ very moment believed, not moment getting dunked