Romans 11:26a.... And so all Israel will be saved.

[EarlyActs]

Then you are saying 2 things at once:

1, I disagree with you
2, you don’t know what I’m saying

These can’t be both true at the same time. We can only disagree when we are sure what the other person is saying.

So: do you see the 1st century RT?

And: is 1st century RT the same as that which began about 1990s?

 

[EarlyActs]

I do agree there is reason for a modern one, but I think it helps a person to know there was one in the past—in the 1st century. And that that one was derailing truth.

The real push to view modern Israel as a a fulfillment apart from any Christian connection was the renegade novelist G Eliot. In the mid 1800s , her DANIEL DERONDA treated the whole issue without any grasp of NT theology. Even though she translated Strauss’s LIFE OF CHRIST —in an effort to discredit the NT.

 

[brightfame52]

We know that the Church is the antitype of old testament israel when we consider a comparison of 1 Pet 2:9 as the fulfillment of Ex 19:5

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and Deut 14:2

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

1 Pet 2:9

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Now the greek word for peculiar in 1 Pet 2 is the word περιποίησις and means:

1. a preserving, a preservation
2. possession, one's own property
3. an obtaining

Now the word comes from the verb peripoieō which means:

1. to make to remain over
2. to reserve, to leave or keep safe, lay by
3. to make to remain for one's self
4. to preserve for one's self
5. to get for one's self, purchase

Which word Paul uses for purchase here Acts 20:28

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

So the Church of God is that peculiar people of God in 1 Pet 2:9 which fulfills the OT Type israel In Exodus nd Deut. For God only has One Peculiar people and that's through the Blood of Christ. 7

 

[EarlyActs]

We know that the Church is the antitype of old testament israel when we consider a comparison of 1 Pet 2:9 as the fulfillment of Ex 19:5

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and Deut 14:2

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

1 Pet 2:9

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Now the greek word for peculiar in 1 Pet 2 is the word περιποίησις and means:

1. a preserving, a preservation
2. possession, one's own property
3. an obtaining

Now the word comes from the verb peripoieō which means:

1. to make to remain over
2. to reserve, to leave or keep safe, lay by
3. to make to remain for one's self
4. to preserve for one's self
5. to get for one's self, purchase

Which word Paul uses for purchase here Acts 20:28

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

So the Church of God is that peculiar people of God in 1 Pet 2:9 which fulfills the OT Type israel In Exodus nd Deut. For God only has One Peculiar people and that's through the Blood of Christ. 7

Indeed. There are also places where the OT believers are called the church/assembly/ecclesia. A good article I read once discussed how many times the whole community was distinct from the chosen/elect, in the same sense as the examples in the 1st paragraph of Romans 11.

 

[EarlyActs]

This might help:

what two things are switched in modern RT?

what two things were switched in 1st century RT

 

[brightfame52]

Another scripture that speaks of the Church that applies to 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Its Eph 1:14 when speaking of the Church comprised of both jew and gentile believers in Ephesus

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Now what is the purchased possession ? Why its the Church, bought with a price, as here Acts 20:28

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Now the words purchased possession in Eph 1:14 is the same word for " a peculiar people " in 1 Pet 2:9, now how so that ? Because they're the same exact people 7

 

[EarlyActs]

Another scripture that speaks of the Church that applies to 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Its Eph 1:14 when speaking of the Church comprised of both jew and gentile believers in Ephesus

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Now what is the purchased possession ? Why its the Church, bought with a price, as here Acts 20:28

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Now the words purchased possession in Eph 1:14 is the same word for " a peculiar people " in 1 Pet 2:9, now how so that ? Because they're the same exact people 7

That's right.

Did you study the 'replacement' that Paul had fight in Gal 3?

 

[JesusFan]

It has been on my heart to have a better understanding of Israel according to the Bible.

I have started researching this and will do so in depth, time permitting.

Without getting into dispensationalism or eschatology, (perhaps that is needed?) I am seeking to find answers in my research to Romans 11:26a.

Not looking to debate this subject. There are many on this forum that are educated on this and I would like feedback for my research.

The following is an excerpt on the 3 views of this verse, it will continue in a second post.


26a. And so all Israel will be saved.

Three Interpretations

A. The Most Popular Theory​

“All Israel” indicates the mass of Jews living on earth in the end-time. The full number of elect Gentiles will be gathered in. After that the mass of the Jews—Israel on a large scale—will be saved. This will happen just previous to, or at the very moment of, Christ’s Return.

For the names of some of the advocates of this theory see p. 307.

Evaluation​

a. The Greek word οὕτως does not mean then or after that. The rendering “Then all Israel will be saved” is wrong. In none of the other occurrences of this word in Romans, or anywhere else in the New Testament, does this word have that meaning. It means so, in this manner, thus.

b. This theory also fails to do justice to the word all in “all Israel.” Does not “all Israel” sound very strange as a description of the (comparatively) tiny fraction of Jews who will still be living on earth just before, or at the moment of, Christ’s Return?

c. The context clearly indicates that in writing about the salvation of Israelites and Gentiles Paul is not limiting his thoughts to what will take place in the future. He very definitely includes what is happening now. See especially verses 30, 31.

d. Would it not be strange for God to single out for a very special favor—nothing less than salvation full and free—exactly that generation of Jews which will have hardened its heart against the testimony of the longest train of Christian witnesses, a train extending all the way from the days of Christ’s sojourn on earth—in fact, in a sense, all the way from Abraham—to the close of the new dispensation?

e. The reader has not been prepared for the idea of a mass conversion of Israelites. All along Paul stresses the very opposite, namely, the salvation, in any age (past, present, future) of a remnant. See the passages listed under 11:5, p. 363. If Rom. 11:26 actually teaches a mass conversion of Jews, would it not seem as if Paul is saying, “Forget what I told you previously”?

f. If Paul is here predicting such a future mass conversion of Jews, is he not, contradicting, if not the letter, at least the spirit, of his earlier statement found in 1 Thess. 2:14b–16:

“… the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and do not please God, and are hostile to all men, in that they try to prevent us from speaking to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But upon them the wrath [of God] has come to the uttermost”32<a href="#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1" title="">2</a>?

g. The immediately following context (11:26b, 27) refers to a coming of “the Deliverer” who will turn away godlessness and remove sin from Jacob. Was not that the purpose of Christ’s first coming? But the popular interpretation of Rom. 11:26 predicts a mass conversion of Jews in connection with Christ’s second coming. That theory is, accordingly, not in harmony with the context.

For these several reasons Interpretation A. should be rejected.

B. John Calvin’s Theory​

“All Israel” refers to the total number of the elect throughout history, all those who are ultimately saved both Jews and Gentiles. In his Commentary on his passage Calvin expresses himself as follows:

“I extend the word Israel to all the people of God, according to this meaning: when the Gentiles shall come in, the Jews also will return from their defection to the obedience of faith, and thus will be completed the salvation of the whole Israel of God, which must be gathered from both …”

The same view is defended by J. A. C. Van Leeuwen and D. Jacobs, op. cit., p. 227; and, in a sense, by Karl Barth, Der Römerbrief, Zürich, 1954, p. 401; English tr., p. 416.

Evaluation​

Inasfar as Calvin interprets the term Israel spiritually—“Israel” refers to the elect—his theory must be considered correct. Cf. Rom. 9:6. Also his claim that the section, verses 25–32 (considered as a unit), describes the one people of God cannot be successfully refuted. On the other hand, Calvin’s application of the term “Israel,” in verse 26, to all the people of God, both Jews and Gentiles, is wrong. In the preceding context the words Israel, Israelites(s) occur no less than eleven times: 9:4; 9:6 (twice); 9:27; 9:31; 10:19; 10:21; 11:1; 11:2; 11:7; and 11:25. In each case the reference is clearly to Jews, never to Gentiles. What compelling reason can there be, therefore, to adopt a different meaning for the term Israel as used here in 11:26? To be sure, at the close of verse 25 the apostle makes mention of the Gentiles, but only in order to indicate that the partial hardening of the Jews will not cease until every elect Gentile will have been brought into the kingdom. Accordingly, Paul is still talking about the Jews. He does so also in verse 26b. Even verse 28 contains a clear reference to Jews. Not until verses 30–32 are reached does the apostle cause the entire body of the elect, both Jews and Gentiles, to pass in review together.

Therefore, while appreciating the good elements in Calvin’s explanation, we cannot agree with him in interpreting the term “all Israel” in 11:26 as referring to all the elect, both Jews and Gentiles. A passage should be interpreted in light of its context. In the present case the context points to Jews, not to Gentiles, nor in verses 26–29 to a combination of Jews and Gentiles.

C. A Third Theory​

The term “All Israel” means the total number of elect Jews, the sum of all Israel’s “remnants.” “All Israel” parallels “the fullness of the Gentiles.” Verses 25. 26 make it very clear that God is dealing with both groups, has been saving them, is saving them, and is going to save them. And if “All Israel” indicates, as it does, that not a single elect Israelite will be lacking “when the roll is called up yonder,” then “the fulness of the Gentiles” similarly shows that when the attendance is checked every elect Gentile will answer “Present.”

For the meaning of “will be saved” see on 1:16, p. 60. For Jew and Gentile the way of salvation is the same. In fact, their paths run side by side. Opportunity to be saved will have ended for both when Christ returns. As indicated previously, the two—“the fullness of the Gentiles” and “All Israel”—constitute one organism, symbolized by a single olive tree. It should be clear that if, in the present connection, fullness must be interpreted in its unlimited sense, the same holds for all in “All Israel.”

The words “And so” are explained by Paul himself. They indicate, “In such a marvelous manner,” a manner no one could have guessed. If God had not revealed this “mystery” to Paul, he would not have known it. It was, in fact, astonishing. The very rejection of the majority of Israelites, throughout history recurring again and again, was, is, and will be, a link in the effectuation of Israel’s salvation. For details, see above, p. 366, 367, 377, 378 (Rom. 11:11, 12, 25).

Although, to be sure, this interpretation is not nearly as popular as is theory A, among its defenders are men of recognized scholarship (as holds also, of course, for theories A and B). Let me mention but a few.

One of the propositions successfully defended by S. Volbeda, when he received his summa cum laude doctor of theology degree from the Free University of Amsterdam was: “The term ‘all Israel’ in Rom. 11:26a must be understood as indicating the collective elect out of Israel.”32<a href="#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2" title="">3</a>

H. Bavinck, author of the four-volume work Gereformeerde Dogmatiek [Reformed Dogmatics], states, “ ‘All Israel’ in 11:26, is not the people of Israel, destined to be converted collectively, neither is it the church consisting of united Jews and Gentiles; but it is the full number which during the course of the centuries is gathered out of Israel.”32<a href="#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3" title="">4</a> Cf. H. Hoeksema, God’s Eternal Good Pleasure, Grand Rapids, 1950, p. 465.

And L. Berkhof states, “ ‘All Israel’ is to be understood as a designation not of the whole nation but of the whole number of the elect out of the ancient covenant people … and the adverb οὕτως cannot mean ‘after that,’ but only ‘in this manner.’ ”32<a href="#_ftn4" name="_ftnref4" title="">5</a>

For a similar interpretation see H. Ridderbos, op. cit., p. 263.

Not only scholars of Reformed persuasion and Dutch nationality or lineage have adopted this interpretation, but so have many others, as is clear from a glance at Lenski’s commentary on Romans, pp. 714, 726, 727. See also O. Palmer Robertson, “Is There a Distinctive Future for Ethnic Israel in Romans II?,” in Perspectives on Evangelical Theology, Grand Rapids, 1979, pp. 81–94. These interpreters are convinced that this is the only interpretation that suits the text and context.

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Continued.....

Please remember though that view 1 also would see the Great tribulation time of the time when God was preparing national Israel to say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord at His second coming event, as today and now a fountain of salvation n opened up in Jerusalem

 

[EarlyActs]

Dr Heiser on how the mission to the nations was pictured by the temple in the past and how the believers are the temple now.

 

[EarlyActs]

Please remember though that view 1 also would see the Great tribulation time of the time when God was preparing national Israel to say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord at His second coming event, as today and now a fountain of salvation n opened up in Jerusalem

The fountain was Christ and the ‘day the Lord has made’ was that day of the Gospel

 

[brightfame52]

Mystery Israel !

Rom 11:24-26

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

This Mystery Israel is something men dont know by nature, it must be made known by God. When God declared Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

What was the mystery , it was in the manner of how all Israel shall be saved, for it was the purpose of God to save His Israel by the out calling of His Elect from among both the Jews and Gentiles. . His people Israel are not all Jews and not all Gentiles, but called out from among both Rom 9:24-26

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Paul was explaining how that God was still saving all Israel by the calling of the Gentiles. National Israels Covenant Identity with God is no longer, so jews will be saved during the calling of the gentiles, the nations, since there are no more special nations set apart for God, national israel isnt no more above russia, japan, nigeria, she is now part of the ordinary nations of the world, just as gentile nations. Mystery Israel that God promised to save is none other than the Church, the Body of Christ, which is the Spiritual seed of Abraham Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. The promise that Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting Salvation ! 8

 

[JesusFan]

The fountain was Christ and the ‘day the Lord has made’ was that day of the Gospel

Not really, as the people who were part of the killing of the Lord Jesus, the Jewish people, will mourn and grieve for Him on that second coming event, and then that salvation of blessing shall be poured out upon all of national israel still alive

 

[EarlyActs]

Not really, as the people who were part of the killing of the Lord Jesus, the Jewish people, will mourn and grieve for Him on that second coming event, and then that salvation of blessing shall be poured out upon all of national israel still alive

Compared to all Jews who have ever lived, that's very few. Why so few? Why have a "hopeful" message in Rom 11 when it is actually very few?

 

[EarlyActs]

Not really, as the people who were part of the killing of the Lord Jesus, the Jewish people, will mourn and grieve for Him on that second coming event, and then that salvation of blessing shall be poured out upon all of national israel still alive

Btw, I don't know which of the two you said 'not really' to, but the answer is yes to both; He is the fountain the prophet meant, and Ps 118 is about the unusual day of Christ's being rejected but also made cornerstone, at once. That is the official NT interp, Acts 4.

 

[JesusFan]

Compared to all Jews who have ever lived, that's very few. Why so few? Why have a "hopeful" message in Rom 11 when it is actually very few?

God always has saved out for himself a Faithful remnant among the Jewish people, and the end result will have all living at that time calling upon the Lord Jesus "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"

 

[Arial]

God always has saved out for himself a Faithful remnant among the Jewish people, and the end result will have all living at that time calling upon the Lord Jesus "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"

Someth8ng that is often overlooked is that he is also only saving a remnant of the Gentiles. And in the same way as he saves a remint of Jews. By his election, (foreknowing), predestining (to come to Christ) calling, (My sheep hear my voice and follow me), All that the Father gives me will come to me) justifying (through faith in Christ) and glorifying.

 

[brightfame52]

More on Mystery Israel:

In Romans 11 Paul write of God’s eternal purpose in Christ Jesus Eph 3:11. He states that it has always been God’s eternal purpose to save his elect Israel by calling each of his elect from among Jew and Gentile by Christ our Deliverer. Rom 11: 25-27 is a sort of parenthesis in the midst of his gentle reroof concerning God’s eternal purpose for his elect Israel. He declared that the mystery of God, God’s eternal purpose is to save all his elect from among the Jew and the Gentiles, as foretold by Jesus words Jn 10:16. That Israel shall be saved Isa 45:17 is a Gospel Promise, that included Gentiles Eph 3:6

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

And when God has fulfilled His purpose, by calling all his elect of jews and gentiles from the Gentile nations. “And so” and after this manner—"all God’s elect Israel shall be saved.” Rom 11:26

Elect Gentiles are fellowheirs with the Old Test heirs as Per Heb 11:8-10

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Gentiles are Heirs with the Fathers in the Eternal Kingdom of Inheritance Matt 8:8-12

8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[brightfame52]

A Person can be a national jew by blood, a physical descendant of Abraham, and yet spiritually have hagar as their mother, and a believing gentile that belongs to the Body of Christ spiritually has Sarah as their Mother, for Sarah is the Mother of the Church, the Body of Christ Gal 4:22-26

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman[Sarah].

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman[Sarah] was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother[Sarah] of us all 8

 

[EarlyActs]

God always has saved out for himself a Faithful remnant among the Jewish people, and the end result will have all living at that time calling upon the Lord Jesus "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"

But the remnant is all who believe. It's not all who believe except in 2 parts for 2 race-nation groupings. In 9:24, it is clearly "us" from all peoples including Jews, as the following 4 Psalm quotes illustrate.

The 'Blessed...' line was the test at the time (of Jesus' Gospel events) for Israel. They needed to say that about him to "see" him; to know him, to understand Messiah. It had nothing to do with the distant future. It is also the Cornerstone psalm so it must be tied to that for to mean anything.

Why would he say something so vital if it had no meaning at all to the people standing there? That's very imaginative, but it's not how they thought or talked. See Mt 24 etc for more of that. It is vital, necessary, current, actionable, sobering. There is not a clue that a person standing there could dismiss it for things X000 years in the future. The tone of the NT is mostly that the final judgement would arrive shortly, as Rev 1 says, but Peter has the task in 2 P 3 of explaining why there has been a delay--to save even more people.

All "Israel" was qualified in ch 3 in 9:6 etc and in the olive tree analogy just given in Rom 11 which is that the actual Israel stands or falls by faith. There are some advantages to being raised in Judaism, but ultimately there are no advantages due to any race. That's why the chapter ends the way it does; God has bound all people over to sin, to try to have mercy on them all. And 'who can say to the Lord "he owes a debt to me"'?

 

[JesusFan]

But the remnant is all who believe. It's not all who believe except in 2 parts for 2 race-nation groupings. In 9:24, it is clearly "us" from all peoples including Jews, as the following 4 Psalm quotes illustrate.

The 'Blessed...' line was the test at the time (of Jesus' Gospel events) for Israel. They needed to say that about him to "see" him; to know him, to understand Messiah. It had nothing to do with the distant future. It is also the Cornerstone psalm so it must be tied to that for to mean anything.

Why would he say something so vital if it had no meaning at all to the people standing there? That's very imaginative, but it's not how they thought or talked. See Mt 24 etc for more of that. It is vital, necessary, current, actionable, sobering. There is not a clue that a person standing there could dismiss it for things X000 years in the future. The tone of the NT is mostly that the final judgement would arrive shortly, as Rev 1 says, but Peter has the task in 2 P 3 of explaining why there has been a delay--to save even more people.

All "Israel" was qualified in ch 3 in 9:6 etc and in the olive tree analogy just given in Rom 11 which is that the actual Israel stands or falls by faith. There are some advantages to being raised in Judaism, but ultimately there are no advantages due to any race. That's why the chapter ends the way it does; God has bound all people over to sin, to try to have mercy on them all. And 'who can say to the Lord "he owes a debt to me"'?

Think Jesus statement referred to the Jewish Peoples at that time of His first coming would on the hole reject Him as promised messiah, but at His second coming, the living Jews indeed shall cry out to Him 'grieving .mourning over Him, and saying Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"