PENTECOST: A Turning Point For The Jewish People

[jeremiah1five]

The NT begins with Jesus' birth, it does not begin with Pentecost.

The New Covenant began with the Advent of the Holy Spirit.
It was the Father's Plan.
The Son implemented the Plan.
The Holy Spirit applies the Plan to covenant Israel, and this occurred on the day of the Feast of Harvest in Jerusalem, a Jewish holyday.

So in order to make your argument with no NT in existence, you either have to presume all the events of Jesus' life and death and resurrection took place with no existing record given or made, or that they didn't occur.

No, I'm saying there was a time when all those events took place, birth, life, ministry, arrest, trial, condemnation, death, burial, and resurrection took place and all these things were on the people's lips. The two disciples on the road to Emmaus were discussing those events when Jesus came up beside them. While Jesus was on the planet forty days after His resurrection, He shared more with His disciples about Himself and I'm sure when they were alone talked among themselves about what Jesus said. The "rumor" of the empty tomb was talked about by all those in Jerusalem and also such witnessing as the born-again experience among three thousand Jews was also disseminated among the people, especially while these Jewish Christians travelled Roman roads or took ships back to their holes and synagogues in Gentile lands. The testimony of this "Jesus" went viral throughout all Israel even to Caeser's palace. As the Holy Spirit continued to birth Jewish Christians every day for the next four decades Jews and Jesus were the talk of the town. Every town.

The first letter was written by James the Lord's half-brother, and it was addressed to the twelve tribes scattered, which was appropriate since it was a Hebrew covenant with a Hebrew Messiah and Hebrew disciples and Hebrew new births. Interesting thing was that Peter was the supposed leader of the Jewish Church in Jerusalem, but James is the one who was the real leader.

The NT gives a record of what occurred. Without that record, Pentecost is meaningless. It is the NT that explains Pentecost, and it is the apostles present that explained what was happening.

You are only able to present your theory FROM the NT.

It wasn't meaningless to those three thousand that experienced the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to Israel or the people that witnessed those things taking place among the Jews and later among Jews in Gentile lands. The eleven disciples weren't the only ones able to explain what was taking place among the Jews on Pentecost of thereafter. Months later when a "great company of priests were obedient to the faith" and who had access to the Hebrew Scripture through the anointing were able to understand what God was doing in Israel among the Jews and among the Jews in Gentile lands. Not every body wrote about these things.

1 FORASMUCH as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
Lk 1:1–2.

Jesus was on the lips of almost every adult Jew and most children of understanding (12- and 13-year-olds.) Younger children also knew. I'm sure believing Jewish fathers spoke to the stomach of their wives' carrying babies in their enlarged womb about how Israel's Promised Deliverer, Redeemer, Messiah, and King had come, and everything will be well for their futures being yet unborn.

There is no theory. You seem to put forth the idea that biblical Christianity was not in existence unto some apostle wrote a letter talking about it. Jesus' fame went all over the then-known world in time as Jews that became born-again in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost and days thereafter returned home to their synagogues and shared their experiences with their Jewish brethren. And what was the conclusion of the testimony, the central theme? God has kept His Promise. The Prophet like unto Moses had come. And the story now being that He went away to prepare a place for the children of Israel so that where He is, they may also be.

Everyone was expecting a quick return. In the meantime, Jesus was talked about daily in their homes, on the street, in the marketplace, in their Temple, in their synagogues, in the palaces, in their jails. Everywhere. Those that had the Holy Spirit and knew their bible were able to explain the prophecies and how Jesus fulfilled what they knew and shared with Jews that weren't born-again thus leaving seed in their hearts or watering seed already planted because it was after all, the Jewish Feast of Harvest and I'm sure for the next year and the next for the next four decades God was growing such a harvest among His people that thousands and thousands of Jews were becoming born again, baptized into the body, filled with the Holy Spirit, spoken to by God, and enjoying the blessings of their father Abraham.

All this before the first letter by James or Saul of John was written.

 

[Tambora]

I would think salvation is for the Jew also .

Yeppers, Gentiles and Jews.

Abel a gentile

Yep.
Abraham & Sarah were Gentiles.
They were chosen from among the Gentiles of which God would use to produce a nation called Israel.

 

[Mr GLee]

Yeppers, Gentiles and Jews.


Yep.
Abraham & Sarah were Gentiles.
They were chosen from among the Gentiles of which God would use to produce a nation called Israel.

Yes Christ bride was renamed Christian in Acts propmised in Isaiah 62 .

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yeppers, Gentiles and Jews.

How can that be when the covenant is with Abraham and his seed. Do Gentiles come from the seed of Abraham? No, they don't. They were already in existence through Ham and Japheth.

Yep.
Abraham & Sarah were Gentiles.
They were chosen from among the Gentiles of which God would use to produce a nation called Israel.

So, God lied when He called Abram a Hebrew?

13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; Gen. 14:13.

God is making distinction between the obedient family of Eber and the rest of the Adamites that were disobedient and remained together when God commanded them to scatter and "fill the earth."

 

[Mr GLee]

How can that be when the covenant is with Abraham and his seed. Do Gentiles come from the seed of Abraham? No, they don't. They were already in existence through Ham and Japheth.

Christ the seed (spiritual invisible) not fleshly seeds of temporal dying mankind

The seed of Christ the second born was passes on to Abram a second born used to continue to represent a man must be born again

The faithless Jew like the Catholics performed one the think not doctrines of the Rabbi or called fathers

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham (Peter) to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.(Peter)

 

[Mr GLee]

The veil of the temple was torn on Passover, or at Calvary (Mt. 27:51), and Hebrews 9 explains thisin greater detail.

Hebrew 9 is used as a parable or figure the signified tongue of prophecy until the time of reformation when the shadow disappears. The whole period of time there were were earthy kings in Israel and abomination of desolation. Unbelieving Jews refusing to subject themselves under the reign the invisible King of kings until the 1st century reformation the restoring standard of everyone any time period (sola scriptura).

The all Jewish men's club only no female prophets when kings in Israel the men set up a 15 ft high wall no ladies allowed to participate in the ceremonies And another high wall to separate all the Gentiles from the Jews A Gospel explosion the walls fell. Member from both the Jew and gentle were a born again family together as Christ's new bride fulfilling the prophecy of Joel men and woman prohet from al the nations of the world . A great Joy for the born again Christians one like never before or ever again. A great tribulation for the outward Jew trussing in his dying flesh

Acts 2:16-18 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Note . .Signify to use as a sign the temporal seen as a figure (parable ) Gospel meaning hid from unbelievers

Hebrew 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

1 Peter informs how those metaphors used in parable spoke of the suffering of Christ before hand and the glory the croos that folowed..The by there new born again faith of Christ it looked ahead to the same glory we look back to .having the same spirit of faith as it is writen in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) the living abiding word

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

A cerinimoinal sign to the unbelieving world .Believers have prohecy till the end of time

 

[Josheb]

Hebrew 9 is used as a parable or figure the signified tongue of prophecy until the time of reformation when the shadow disappears.

I disagree.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

Unless and only if you understand what Pentecost is really all about will you have a hope to understand the prophetic timeline it shows in history. It's the parenthetical appointed time. It has no definite date in the Jewish calendar. It is both the start and completion.

 

[Mr GLee]

I disagree.

I would offer

Parables signified prophecy (using the things seen) as a figure of speech to reveal the invisible things of Christ the husband.

Hebrews 9:9810The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure "for the time then present", in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.