Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

[Josheb]

If we could know Christ the anointing Holy Spirit our infalible teacher after the corrupted rudiments of this dying world , after the oral traditions, as vain philosophies of men. Then we could search for him through a microscope or telescope

Remember as new creatures all things are new .What we will be is not revealed

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Let there be flesh (dust) and it was good

Let's see what else scripture says.

2 Corinthians 5:11-17
Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are made manifest to God; and I hope that we are made manifest also in your consciences. We are not again commending ourselves to you but are giving you an occasion to be proud of us, so that you will have an answer for those who take pride in appearance and not in heart. For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; if we are of sound mind, it is for you. For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf. Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

John 14:16-17
I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

1 John 2:13-14
I am writing to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I have written to you, children, because you know the Father. I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God...

Romans 8:8-9
...and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

Galatians 4:6-9
Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?



We can and do know Jesus. We know and are known by God, and we're known and knowing right here and now while in this body of flesh. That is not a tradition, nor a philosophy of men; it's the written word of God.

No scopes needed.

 

[Ghada]

Seated in heaven is a symbolic position of reigning

There's nothing symbolic about the Lord seated in heaven, nor His angels serving Him, nor His departed saints now in His presence.

The only symbolic seat above is the god is of this world.

Walk ye not according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now working in the children of disobedience:

He's the great air-head of all vain imaginations. No one in heaven nor on earth cares about your symbolic reigning.

The heavanly places of the saints on earth, are on earth in the hearts and lives purified by Christ.

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

There's nothing symbolic about the Spirit of Christ seated on the throne of our own hearts, nor does anyone symbolically walk as Jesus walked.

The old lie is being as gods above, while disobeying the true God on earth.

All symbolic doctrine of man ends in the grave.

 

[Marty]

There's nothing symbolic about the Lord seated in heaven, nor His angels serving Him, nor His departed saints now in His presence.

The only symbolic seat above is the god is of this world.

Walk ye not according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now working in the children of disobedience:

He's the great air-head of all vain imaginations. No one in heaven nor on earth cares about your symbolic reigning.

The heavanly places of the saints on earth, are on earth in the hearts and lives purified by Christ.

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

There's nothing symbolic about the Spirit of Christ seated on the throne of our own hearts, nor does anyone symbolically walk as Jesus walked.

The old lie is being as gods above, while disobeying the true God on earth.

All symbolic doctrine of man ends in the grave.

So how was Paul while alive on the earth currently Seated in heaven?