ON THE QUESTION OF JUDAS ISCARIOT

[jeremiah1five]

Kicked out and replaced.

Blind to the Word.

 

[Eleanor]

No. Jesus sent him to do his deed. This makes Jesus complicit in His own death.

John 13:27 (KJV 1900): Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Judas was sent.

Uh, and what does Mt 20:28 do?

 

[Eleanor]

Apostolos is a Greek word that merely means “sent.”

Do you see in the Scripture I posted Jesus sending Judas “what thou dost do quickly “ Judas being sent by the Lord?

Because he came for the purpose of dying (Mt 20:28).

 

[Eleanor]

Blind to the Word.

Methinks the pot is calling the kettle black.

 

[civic]

Blind to the Word.

Replaced in acts 1. But I will not stoop to that level and say : blind to the word .

There is a difference between disagreeing and being blind. A difference of opinion and being blind.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Uh, and what does Mt 20:28 do?

Tell me because I don’t know what you’re referring to.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Because he came for the purpose of dying (Mt 20:28).

I don’t dispute that

 

[jeremiah1five]

Replaced in acts 1. But I will not stoop to that level and say : blind to the word .

There is a difference between disagreeing and being blind. A difference of opinion and being blind.

My ministry is to speak the truth as God gives it to me.
Straightforward.
I am what I am.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Replaced in acts 1. But I will not stoop to that level and say : blind to the word .

There is a difference between disagreeing and being blind. A difference of opinion and being blind.

If all we have are opinions then no one possesses truth.
That in and of itself is a lie.
And no lie is of the truth.
I am a child of truth taught the Word of Truth by the Spirit of Truth about the God of Truth.
And THAT is the truth.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Kicked out and replaced.

So, if one backslides from Christ and dies separated from Christ then that person is replaced by Christ?

 

[civic]

If all we have are opinions then no one possesses truth.
That in and of itself is a lie.
And no lie is of the truth.
I am a child of truth taught the Word of Truth by the Spirit of Truth about the God of Truth.
And THAT is the truth.

The truth is judas like the antichrist was/is the son of perdition( perishing ) which translated means eternal destruction. It would been better for him never to have been born than to betray the son of man- WOE to him- that is a CURSE from God Himself.

judas betrayal and sin was worse than the Blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. a traitor, a Christ denier.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

So, if one backslides from Christ and dies separated from Christ then that person is replaced by Christ?

Your questions are irreverent and you are not inspired by God with your human questions.

Below the Scriptures are inspired about the fate of judas that contradicts your opinion on the matter.

Nowhere in scripture does it say that Judas was saved or possessed eternal life. In fact it declares just the opposite. The bible teaches that Judas was the son of perdition from the beginning. He was created for the very purpose and role as the traitor who would betray Jesus. Jesus said of Judas it would of been better off for him to not even been born than to betray the Son of Man.

John 6:63-65
The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray Him. 65 He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."

John 6:70-71
Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!" 71 (He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray Him.)

John 12:4-6
But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray Him, objected, 5 "Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages." 6 He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.

John 13:10-11
10 Jesus answered, "A person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet; his whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you." 11 For He knew who was going to betray Him, and that was why He said not every one was clean.

John 17:12
12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

The same word is used to describe the very man of sin, the antichrist in:

2 Thessalonians 2:13-
Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

STRONGS NT 684: ἀπώλεια

ἀπώλεια, ἀπωλείας, ἡ (from ἀπόλλυμι, which see);
1. actively, a destroying, utter destruction: as, of vessels, Romans 9:22; τοῦ μύρου, waste, Mark 14:4 (in Matthew 26:8 without a genitive) (in Polybius 6, 59, 5 consumption, opposed to τήρησις); the putting of a man to death, Acts 25:16 Rec.; by metonymy, a destructive thing or opinion: in plural 2 Peter 2:2 Rec.; but the correct reading ἀσελγείαις was long ago adopted here.

2. passively, a perishing, ruin, destruction;

a. in general: τό ἀργύριον σου σύν σοι εἴη εἰς ἀπώλειαν, let thy money perish with thee, Acts 8:20; βυρθίζειν τινα εἰς ὄλεθρον καί ἀπώλειαν, with the included idea of misery, 1 Timothy 6:9; αἱρέσεις ἀπωλείας destructive opinions, 2 Peter 2:1; ἐπάγειν ἑαυτοῖς ἀπώλειαν, ibid. cf. 2 Peter 2:3.

b. in particular, the destruction which consists in the loss of eternal life, eternal misery, perdition, the lot of those excluded from the kingdom of God: Revelation 17:8, 11, cf. Revelation 19:20; Philippians 3:19; 2 Peter 3:16; opposed to ἡ περιποίησις τῆς ψυχῆς, Hebrews 10:39; to ἡ ζωή, Matthew 7:13; to σωτηρία, Philippians 1:28. ὁ υἱός τῆς ἀπωλείας, a man doomed to eternal misery (a Hebraism, see υἱός, 2): 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (of Antichrist); John 17:12 (of Judas, the traitor); ἡμέρα κρίσεως καί ἀπωλείας τῶν ἀσεβῶν, 2 Peter 3:7. (In secular authors from Polybius as above (but see Aristotle, probl. 17, 3, 2, vol. ii., p. 916{a}, 26; 29, 14, 10 ibid. 952^b, 26; Nicom. eth. 4, 1 ibid. 1120{a}, 2, etc.); often in the Sept. and O. T. Apocrypha.)


Matt 26:23-25
23 Jesus replied, "The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me. 24 The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."

25 Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, "Surely not I, Rabbi?"

Jesus answered, "Yes, it is you."

Acts 1:16-19
16 and said, "Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus— 17 he was one of our number and shared in this ministry."

18 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. 19 Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)

Acts 1:24-26
Show us which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." 26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.

Ps 109:4-8
In return for my friendship they accuse me,
but I am a man of prayer.
5 They repay me evil for good,
and hatred for my friendship.

6 Appoint an evil man to oppose him;
let an accuser stand at his right hand.
7 When he is tried, let him be found guilty,
and may his prayers condemn him.
8 May his days be few;
may another take his place of leadership.

 

[Eleanor]

Tell me because I don’t know what you’re referring to.

Link it back. . .Jesus' complicity.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The truth is judas like the antichrist was/is the son of perdition( perishing ) which translated means eternal destruction. It would been better for him never to have been born than to betray the son of man- WOE to him- that is a CURSE from God Himself.

judas betrayal and sin was worse than the Blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. a traitor, a Christ denier.

hope this helps !!!

Accuser of the brethren.

The blasphemy of the HOLY Spirit is the presence of the non-elect before the Presence of the HOLY Spirit whose Ministry is to apply the Work of the Son to God’s elect.

It is a sin of the heart/life NOT the tongue.

Would you like it if I said a loved one who died in your family is in hell?
No you wouldn’t.
So don’t presume to declare a friend of God is antichrist and in hell or separated from God ESPECIALLY since there are Scripture rightly divided that espouses the Grace and Mercy of God on one of his elect.

I DEFEND my brethren, civic.
Greater love.
Too bad you don’t.
what have you done worse than Judas to betray the Lord?
Disobey? Fornicate? Drugs? Take His name in vain?
Murder a Christian?
Well you just did.
Disgusting.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Link it back. . .Jesus' complicity.

Never mind.

 

[civic]

Accuser of the brethren.

The blasphemy of the HOLY Spirit is the presence of the non-elect before the Presence of the HOLY Spirit whose Ministry is to apply the Work of the Son to God’s elect.

It is a sin of the heart/life NOT the tongue.

Would you like it if I said a loved one who died in your family is in hell?
No you wouldn’t.
So don’t presume to declare a friend of God is antichrist and in hell or separated from God ESPECIALLY since there are Scripture rightly divided that espouses the Grace and Mercy of God on one of his elect.

I DEFEND my brethren, civic.
Greater love.
Too bad you don’t.
what have you done worse than Judas to betray the Lord?
Disobey? Fornicate? Drugs? Take His name in vain?
Murder a Christian?
Well you just did.
Disgusting.

It doesn’t matter what I like it don’t like what matters is the truth . Since Jesus is the truth and I quoted Him several times which contradicts your view, I’ll stick with Jesus teaching and not your opinion . My previous posts stands as true . I call the devil and his works what they are as Jesus did with judas, the son of perishing/ perdition . The one who forfeited eternal life on his betrayal of Jesus. He sold his soul to the devil to do his work as Satan entered him, possessed him . Believers cannot be possessed .

The biblical definition from the Greek Lexicon below supports me and refutes your view.

. in particular, the destruction which consists in the loss of eternal life, eternal misery, perdition, the lot of those excluded from the kingdom of God: Revelation 17:8, 11, cf. Revelation 19:20; Philippians 3:19; 2 Peter 3:16; opposed to ἡ περιποίησις τῆς ψυχῆς, Hebrews 10:39; to ἡ ζωή, Matthew 7:13; to σωτηρία, Philippians 1:28. ὁ υἱός τῆς ἀπωλείας, a man doomed to eternal misery (a Hebraism, see υἱός, 2): 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (of Antichrist); John 17:12 (of Judas, the traitor); ἡμέρα κρίσεως καί ἀπωλείας τῶν ἀσεβῶν, 2 Peter 3:7. (In secular authors from Polybius as above (but see Aristotle, probl. 17, 3, 2, vol. ii., p. 916{a}, 26; 29, 14, 10 ibid. 952^b, 26; Nicom. eth. 4, 1 ibid. 1120{a}, 2, etc.); often in the Sept. and O. T. Apocrypha.)

Expositor's Greek Testament
Luke 22:3-6. Judas (Matthew 26:14-16, Mark 14:10-11). At this point in Mt. (Matthew 26:6-13) and Mk. (Mark 14:3-9) comes in the anointing at Bethany omitted by Lk.—εἰσῆλθεν Σατανᾶς, Satan entered into Judas. Lk. alone of the synoptists thus explains the conduct of Judas. Cf. John 13:2. Lk.’s statement is stronger even than John’s, suggesting a literal possession

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[jeremiah1five]

If there are ANY friends of God in hell destined for the Lake of Fire then we are ALL damned.

John 15:15 (KJV 1900): 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Deuteronomy 29:29 (KJV 1900): 29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

The Scripture is revealed to God’s people.
He that hath an ear hear what the Spirit saith to the church.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It doesn’t matter what I like it don’t like what matters is the truth . Since Jesus is the truth and I quoted Him several times which contradicts your view, I’ll stick with Jesus teaching and not your opinion . My previous posts stands as true . I call the devil and his works what they are as Jesus did with judas, the son of perishing/ perdition . The one who forfeited eternal life on his betrayal of Jesus. He sold his soul to the devil to do his work as Satan entered him, possessed him . Believers cannot be possessed .

The biblical definition from the Greek Lexicon below supports me and refutes your view.

. in particular, the destruction which consists in the loss of eternal life, eternal misery, perdition, the lot of those excluded from the kingdom of God: Revelation 17:8, 11, cf. Revelation 19:20; Philippians 3:19; 2 Peter 3:16; opposed to ἡ περιποίησις τῆς ψυχῆς, Hebrews 10:39; to ἡ ζωή, Matthew 7:13; to σωτηρία, Philippians 1:28. ὁ υἱός τῆς ἀπωλείας, a man doomed to eternal misery (a Hebraism, see υἱός, 2): 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (of Antichrist); John 17:12 (of Judas, the traitor); ἡμέρα κρίσεως καί ἀπωλείας τῶν ἀσεβῶν, 2 Peter 3:7. (In secular authors from Polybius as above (but see Aristotle, probl. 17, 3, 2, vol. ii., p. 916{a}, 26; 29, 14, 10 ibid. 952^b, 26; Nicom. eth. 4, 1 ibid. 1120{a}, 2, etc.); often in the Sept. and O. T. Apocrypha.)

Expositor's Greek Testament
Luke 22:3-6. Judas (Matthew 26:14-16, Mark 14:10-11). At this point in Mt. (Matthew 26:6-13) and Mk. (Mark 14:3-9) comes in the anointing at Bethany omitted by Lk.—εἰσῆλθεν Σατανᾶς, Satan entered into Judas. Lk. alone of the synoptists thus explains the conduct of Judas. Cf. John 13:2. Lk.’s statement is stronger even than John’s, suggesting a literal possession

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You are double-minded.
You say believers cannot be possessed and then post a man who says Satan entered and possessed Judas.
Unstable in all your ways.

I am one who defends Christ’s friends.
You tear them down.

 

[jeremiah1five]

ibid.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Bumping this sucker, too.
Ready, Fire, Aim!
Hands up! Don't shoot!
Give me a break.