No Unity Of Faith With Roman Catholicism

[Carbon]

Roman Catholics, consider watching this.

 

[fastfredy0]

My question is: Can a person that believes that Faith + Works is needed for salvation, can that person be "saved" given his position does not change?

 

[makesends]

My question is: Can a person that believes that Faith + Works is needed for salvation, can that person be "saved" given his position does not change?

Yes. In essence all Arminians believe it, and most of them till they die. But I think most would agree that in the end, it all depends on God's mercy upon those to whom he showed mercy. They may not have thought in those terms, but it is there. Their faith —even the content of their faith—does not flow from them. Their brains are scrambled, but so are mine.

It's when they are foaming at the mouth that I'm not so sure.

 

[Carbon]

My question is: Can a person that believes that Faith + Works is needed for salvation, can that person be "saved" given his position does not change?

Hmmm, well, according to Eph 2:8-9, salvation is a gift from God received by grace through faith alone. And we are justified by faith alone. Believing one needs to work is an obvious misunderstanding of grace, at the least. It can also show legalism or not knowing or understanding the sufficiency of Christ's atonement. So a new Christian (whether Catholic or not) won't find satisfaction in such a thing. Eventually anyway.

 

[makesends]

Hmmm, well, according to Eph 2:8-9, salvation is a gift from God received by grace through faith alone. And we are justified by faith alone. Believing one needs to work is an obvious misunderstanding of grace, at the least. It can also show legalism or not knowing or understanding the sufficiency of Christ's atonement. So a new Christian (whether Catholic or not) won't find satisfaction in such a thing. Eventually anyway.

Right. And, hence, my point, that it is not their understanding, but the fact of the faith, not the validity of their understanding of the Gospel —certainly not the validity of their related terminology— i.e., it is the fact of the mercy (Grace) of God alone, that determines whether or not they belong to him.

Granted, one would think that, along the lines of 'my sheep know the sound of my voice' (my paraphrase, btw —not a quote), their lexicon would change sooner or later, but I can't expect that until it happens, if it happens at all. But like I told @fastfredy0 , I know some Arminians who I am sure I will see in Heaven, whose terminology did not change, though I'm confident they too depended upon God's mercy.