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Medical/Recreational Marijuana

Against.

Eating or smoking marijuana changes the brain in psychotropic ways. It does not just mitigate pain. It alters one's consciousness. As Christians the basement fact is that God gave us the consciousness He wanted us to have and except in cases where normal emotional responses are healthily experienced consequent to life's circumstances, or possibly that which occurs in episodes of deep prayer, we should not be messing with our states of consciousness artificially. Doing so is an indication something is wrong inside. Physically, long-term inhalation of any hot gas, especially that also containing particulate matter is injurious to the lungs and cardio-pulmonary system.

It is also unnecessary. The analgesic components of marijuana can be extricated from the plant in various forms that do not require smoking or eating the whole plant. They can also be synthesized and for all but a very, very, very small minority of people the body cannot tell the difference.

Although a minority of all users, marijuana use leads to dependence. Studies vary (anywhere from 10-30% of all users) but dependency increases with frequency of use, and this increases when Marijuana is used from analgesic purpose. Keep in mind marijuana is now artificially bred and the breeding makes it more potent as time passes. The psychotropic effects of modern marijuana are exponentially increased in comparison to what musicians smoked in the 40s or hippies smoked in the 60s. Perhaps of significant import but yet unknown is the cultural and societal impetuses and consequences of marijuana use for pain. I could easily persuade my doctor to write me a prescription for "medical" marijuana because I have had chronic pain and a variety of otherwise "normal" medications either are not effective or come with side-effects of long-term use. Additionally, we do not have a lot of data on how often these scripts are misused or abused, but as a former drug dealer I can assure you they are being abused.

The above pertains mostly to medical use. As far as recreational use goes, I've known many people who smoke pot on occasion and manage to live otherwise perfectly normal lives. In that sense I might include them in the group of people who occasionally use alcohol without any detrimental effect. However, those seem people would not be any worse off if they did not use and might even be better.



I say all that from diverse points of view. I had a good upbringing, but both my parents would have qualified clinically as alcoholics. I myself began using drugs as a teenager and was successful enough as a drug dealer that I made more money than I could spend without holding any other job. I was once arrested for felony distribution. There are three ways any behavior can be measured: frequency, intensity, and duration - and that includes drug use. There is no drug I have not used daily, a lot of, for long periods of time. None. I used to be poly-friendly ;). At my worst I drank a case of beer daily, smoked an ounce of pot daily plus whatever other drugs happened across my path on any given day. Eventually, I lost everything and ended up homeless. Lost ten years of my life in my addiction, including the many years spent in treatment and recovery. Do not remember most of it. Poof! It's just gone. Now that is an extreme case because most users do not do what I did. Use is not misuse and misuse is not abuse, and abuse is not dependence or addiction (clinically speaking). I attended AA and NA for many years and lived totally abstinent of any and all drugs (except those medically prescribed) from 12 years. During that time I went to college and grad school and became a counselor. I did my internship in a residential drug treatment facility where the men lived there for one whole year (not a 30-day program). Afterwards, when I went into private practice I stopped treating addiction* and specialized in treating trauma. That specialty was a natural progression consequent to my studies, practice, experience, and skill set in the addiction center because most drug users have experienced some form of trauma. The "textbook" explanation for any abuse of any drug is there is some emotional content the user wants to consciously or subconsciously reduce and make manageable. Most deny it. Now I am retired. In my forties I began using alcohol occasionally - a glass or two on special occasions like Thanksgiving or Easter. After many years of sobriety, I am able to use in moderation and self-control and I am able to not use. I've walked both sides of the drug-use fence and done so diversely, but I don't assert my views solely based on my personal anecdotal experience. I know the research. And I know Jesus :cool:.

Smoking marijuana hurts the body and the soul. It may be a lesser evil than some others, but it is not a good thing.










* Clinically speaking the correct term is Dependence. The term "addiction" is not a diagnosis found in the DSM.
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Drug use leads to trauma, it doesn't always stem from it. That's the only "correction" I would make to what you said. It doesn't ALWAYS stem from trauma. Lots of people become addicted to any drugs (including alcohol) because of the drugs themselves and not because of any childhood or post childhood traumatic experiences.
 
Drug use leads to trauma...
That is true and I have amended my post to reflect that fact.
....it doesn't aways stem from it. That's the only "correction" I would make to what you said. It doesn't ALWAYS stem from trauma.
I did not say "always."
Lots of people become addicted to any drugs (including alcohol) because of the drugs themselves and not because of any childhood or post childhood traumatic experiences.
Yep.
 
If it can be modified so that the drug doesn't get you high but addresses the painful condition I experience daily I would use it.
I just don't want a head-change. I don't want to get high.
 
Against.

Eating or smoking marijuana changes the brain in psychotropic ways. It does not just mitigate pain. It alters one's consciousness. As Christians the basement fact is that God gave us the consciousness He wanted us to have and except in cases where normal emotional responses are healthily experienced consequent to life's circumstances, or possibly that which occurs in episodes of deep prayer, we should not be messing with our states of consciousness artificially. Doing so is an indication something is wrong inside. Physically, long-term inhalation of any hot gas, especially that also containing particulate matter is injurious to the lungs and cardio-pulmonary system.

It is also unnecessary. The analgesic components of marijuana can be extricated from the plant in various forms that do not require smoking or eating the whole plant. They can also be synthesized and for all but a very, very, very small minority of people the body cannot tell the difference.

Although a minority of all users, marijuana use leads to dependence. Studies vary (anywhere from 10-30% of all users) but dependency increases with frequency of use, and this increases when Marijuana is used from analgesic purpose. Keep in mind marijuana is now artificially bred and the breeding makes it more potent as time passes. The psychotropic effects of modern marijuana are exponentially increased in comparison to what musicians smoked in the 40s or hippies smoked in the 60s. Perhaps of significant import but yet unknown is the cultural and societal impetuses and consequences of marijuana use for pain. I could easily persuade my doctor to write me a prescription for "medical" marijuana because I have had chronic pain and a variety of otherwise "normal" medications either are not effective or come with side-effects of long-term use. Additionally, we do not have a lot of data on how often these scripts are misused or abused, but as a former drug dealer I can assure you they are being abused.

The above pertains mostly to medical use. As far as recreational use goes, I've known many people who smoke pot on occasion and manage to live otherwise perfectly normal lives. In that sense I might include them in the group of people who occasionally use alcohol without any detrimental effect. However, those seem people would not be any worse off if they did not use and might even be better.



I say all that from diverse points of view. I had a good upbringing, but both my parents would have qualified clinically as alcoholics. I myself began using drugs as a teenager and was successful enough as a drug dealer that I made more money than I could spend without holding any other job. I was once arrested for felony distribution. There are three ways any behavior can be measured: frequency, intensity, and duration - and that includes drug use. There is no drug I have not used daily, a lot of, for long periods of time. None. I used to be poly-friendly ;). At my worst I drank a case of beer daily, smoked an ounce of pot daily plus whatever other drugs happened across my path on any given day. Eventually, I lost everything and ended up homeless. Lost ten years of my life in my addiction, including the many years spent in treatment and recovery. Do not remember most of it. Poof! It's just gone. Now that is an extreme case because most users do not do what I did. Use is not misuse and misuse is not abuse, and abuse is not dependence or addiction (clinically speaking). I attended AA and NA for many years and lived totally abstinent of any and all drugs (except those medically prescribed) from 12 years. During that time I went to college and grad school and became a counselor. I did my internship in a residential drug treatment facility where the men lived there for one whole year (not a 30-day program). Afterwards, when I went into private practice I stopped treating addiction* and specialized in treating trauma. That specialty was a natural progression consequent to my studies, practice, experience, and skill set in the addiction center because most drug users have experienced some form of trauma. Drug use also incurs trauma. The "textbook" explanation for any abuse of any drug is there is some emotional content the user wants to consciously or subconsciously reduce and make manageable. Most deny it. Now I am retired. In my forties I began using alcohol occasionally - a glass or two on special occasions like Thanksgiving or Easter. After many years of sobriety, I am able to use in moderation and self-control and I am able to not use. I've walked both sides of the drug-use fence and done so diversely, but I don't assert my views solely based on my personal anecdotal experience. I know the research. And I know Jesus :cool:.

Smoking marijuana hurts the body and the soul. It may be a lesser evil than some others, but it is not a good thing.










* Clinically speaking the correct term is Dependence. The term "addiction" is not a diagnosis found in the DSM.
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When we talk about things like medical marijuana, your talking about people who live in pain for which there's no cure, and that absolutely robs a person of all quality of life .

While people can take a pill, the pills are mind altering too... just pointing that out. ibuprofen doesn't cover some things and I don't suppose it matters, one mind altering substance to another.

I have heard that some cancer patients and some MS patients do really well on medical marijuana and if that's their choice then it's how they chose. I can't exactly blame them if it works for pain and nausea. We have to remember there's real pain patients that we are considering too.

Should pain medicine be avoided if possible? Absolutely... It's just not always possible, quality of life does actually matter too.
 
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I would offer little wine, (anything that intoxicates or invigorates) can be used. To much . . dissipation of His Holy Spirit.

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's (soul) sake and thine often infirmities. ;Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.

I think Christ know we are suffering daily.

Not promoting, it is more of anything that is not of the faith of Christ labor of love as it is written is sin.

Interesting it would seem he sent the children to Dothan for mandrakes similar to Pot . . Used in procreating the 12 tribes.

Genesis 30:16 And Jacob came out of the field in the evening, and Leah went out to meet him, and said, Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night.

Song of Solomon 7:13 The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved

Wine anything that Intoxicates invigorates, beer, coffee, food, false pride.

Alcohol wine the gateway drug it that way Christian women were out there in the 30's protesting. They knew they would lose their husbands or wives lost from the men.
 
I am against Recreational Marijuana. The jury is still out on it for medical purposes.
I disagree the jury is out —might be a hung jury!

But I think for those who obviously are helped by it, it should be legal. The risks seem to be minimal if it is not abused. Specially, for those who use it in ways that don't damage the throat and lungs.

Seems to me hard to deny that it does help some people. Anecdotal Evidence is a not a good argument, but: I know a girl who has Fibromyalgia who gets actual knots in the muscles of her back, which knots mostly disappear after smoking the marijuana. I wish she would stop smoking and use it some other way, though.
 
...your talking about people who live in pain for which there's no cure...
I am not.

  • I am a recovered addict. I lost ten years of my life in addiction. There is no recreational drug I have not used, used frequently, and used in large quantities (frequency, intensity, duration are the three measures of any behavior).
  • I used to sell drugs. I went from buying an ounce of marijuana at $35.00 for personal use to purchasing hundreds of pounds at $25-35.00 per pound on a weekly basis (back when pot was much cheaper than it is today).
  • Many years later I became a counselor specializing in drug dependency ("addiction" is not a clinical term). I did my internship in a year-long (not a 30-day) residential program and worked there for a year and a half before going into private practice (where I later switched my emphasis to marriage recovery and trauma treatment).

I've walked both sides of this op's premise, and I have done so up close and personal for many years. The matter should be decided objectively, based on scientific (medical) fact, not personal anecdotal experience or opinion. The truth is, clinically speaking, no one uses drugs if they feel good. All recreational drugs are used to treat one form of pain or another but, that being said, my posts are not restricted to the medicinal use of marijuana for treating physical pain.

Spiritually speaking, there is a singular, simple truth to which few attend and upon which everything is built...




God gave us the state of consciousness He wants us to have
and,
apart from that altered state that might be attained through prayer and communion with God,
it's not a state with which He wants us to muck about.​



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