Limited Atonement

[Carbon]

Does scripture teach limited atonement? I believe it does.

Spurgeon had this to say: As to whether it is the Calvinist or Arminian who limit the atonement, are to the point. We are often told that we limit the atonement of Christ because we say that Christ has not made a satisfaction for all men, or all men would be saved. Now our reply to this is, that, on the other hand, our opponents limit it: we do not.
The Arminians say Christ died for all men. Ask them what they mean by it. Did Christ die as to secure the salvation of all men? They say, no, certainly not. We ask them the next question - did Christ die to secure the salvation of any man in particular? They say, no. They are obliged to admit this if they are consistent. They say, No, Christ has died that any man may be saved if -- and then follow certain conditions of salvation.
Now who is it that limits the death of Christ?Why you. You say that Christ did not die as to infallibly to secure the salvation of anybody. We beg your pardon when you say we limit Christ's death; we say, no, my dear sir, it is you that do it.
We say Christ so died that he infallibly secured the salvation of a multitude that no man can number, who through Christ's death not only may be saved, but are saved and cannot by any possibility run the hazard of being anything but saved. You are welcome to your atonement; you may keep it. We will never renounce ours for the sake of it.

 

[Carbon]

Scripture teaches that Christ did not come to enable men to save themselves, but to save sinners.

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Matt 1:21.

For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Luke 19:10.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Cor 5:21.

3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: Gal 1:3-4.

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1 Tim 1:15.

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Titus 2:14.

 

[atpollard]

I LOVED the bridge analogy that Spurgeon gave at the end of that sermon.

Does God build a bridge wide enough for the whole word that only spans half way across the river or does God build a narrow bridge, just wide enough for all who will cross, all the way across the river.

 

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Christ died for Abraham and all his descendants who inherit his covenant. That isn't everyone!

-Jarrod

 

[Carbon]

Scripture also teaches, the result of what Christ did and suffered, his people are reconciled to God, justified, and given the Holy Spirit who regenerates and sanctifies them. All of these were secured by Christ himself for his people.

For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. Romans 5:10.

All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 2 Cor 5:18-19

by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. Eph 2:15-16.

And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, 22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, Col 1:21-22.

 

[prism]

If Christ died for all, then why does the Father draw only some to the Son?

John 6:44-45
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
[45] It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

 

[Carbon]

If Christ died for all, then why does the Father draw only some to the Son?

Great point!

John 6:44-45
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
[45] It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

Amen.

 

[Carbon]

If Christ died for all, then why does the Father draw only some to the Son?

John 6:44-45
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
[45] It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

And if Christ died for everyone, the whole world, why didn’t he pray for the whole world?

I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. John 17:9.

 

[ReverendRV]

I LOVED the bridge analogy that Spurgeon gave at the end of that sermon.

Does God build a bridge wide enough for the whole word that only spans half way across the river or does God build a narrow bridge, just wide enough for all who will cross, all the way across the river.

Spurgeon is the best...

Presbyterians read the Baptist Spurgeon, and Baptists read the Presbyterian Sproul. It's just the way things go...

Reckon they're up there chatting?

 

[atpollard]

Spurgeon is the best...

Presbyterians read the Baptist Spurgeon, and Baptists read the Presbyterian Sproul. It's just the way things go...

Reckon they're up there chatting?

I think its Sproul, Spurgeon, Paul, James and Abraham hammering out ... once and for all ... "Abraham" and "Justification" and "Faith" and "Works" ... who meant what (EXACTLY) and WHAT IS THE TRUTH! (So they can just hand out a pamphlet when People keep asking ).

 

[Carbon]

I think its Sproul, Spurgeon, Paul, James and Abraham hammering out ... once and for all ... "Abraham" and "Justification" and "Faith" and "Works" ... who meant what (EXACTLY) and WHAT IS THE TRUTH! (So they can just hand out a pamphlet when People keep asking ).

Don’t forget John Owen and Calvin

 

[atpollard]

Don’t forget John Owen and Calvin

Calvin will probably have to write his own ... most people can't handle the fiery RHETORIC of the Reformation writing style.

 

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

And if Christ died for everyone, the whole world, why didn’t he pray for the whole world?

I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. John 17:9.

Reminds of Matthew 15:24 But [Jesus] answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Does scripture teach limited atonement? I believe it does.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

"Limited atonement" in a nutshell.

 

[Carbon]

If Christ died for all, then why does the Father draw only some to the Son?

Amen to that!

John 6:44-45
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
[45] It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.