Let us consider the word "generation"~ in the scriptures, a very important word in light of 1st Peter 2:9 and Matthew 24:34 and many other scriptures.

[Red Baker]

1st Peter 2:9~"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: "

Matthew 24:34~Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

True Christians are a distinct race of men. They are of a peculiar descent or pedigree. This is implied in their being called a generation. There are three significations of the word generation in the Scriptures. Sometimes it means, as is its meaning in the common use, a class of persons among a people, or in the world, that are born together, or so nearly together, that the time of their being in the different stages of the age of man is the same. They shall be young persons, middle aged, and old together. Or they shall be together upon the stage of action. All that are together upon the face of the earth, or the stage of action, are very often accounted as one generation*.* Thus when God threatened that not one of the Israelites of that generation should see the good land, it is meant, all from twenty years old and upward. It is used around forty times in this sense throughout the scriptures. To just name a few. Exodus 17:16; Judges 2:10; Lamentations 5:19; Isaiah 34:10,17; 51:8; Jeremiah 50:39; and Luke 16:8, the only time used in this sense in the NT, if I'm not mistaken.

A second meaning is, those who are born of a common progenitor.

A third meaning of the word in Scripture, is, a certain race or type of mankind, whose generation and birth agree, "not as to time", but as to descent and pedigree, or as to those persons from whom they originally proceeded. So it is to be understood, Mat. 1:1, “This is the book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the son of Abraham;” that is, this is the book that gives an account of his pedigree. And this meaning, viz. those who are of the same race and descent, must be given to the word in the text. The righteous are often spoken of in Scripture as being a distinct generation, Psa. 14:5, “There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.” Psa. 24:6, “This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob.” Psa. 73:15, “If I say, I will speak thus: behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children.”

That the godly are a distinct race appears evident, since they are descended from God. They are a heavenly race, and they are derived from above. The heathen were wont to feign that their heroes and great men were descended from the gods, but God’s people are descended from the true and living God, without any fiction, Psa. 22:30, “A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.” That is, a seed, a posterity, shall serve him, and it shall be accounted to the Lord for his posterity or offspring.

Just as they righteous are a distinct race, so are the wicked, they are called a "generation of serpents" by the two greatest prophets that ever lived~John the Baptist and Christ.

Matthew 3:7~"But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"

Matthew 23:31-33~"Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"

The truth is this: there are only two groups of people living in this world, one righteous, the other wicked, one are a chosen generation who can trace their pedigree back to God; the other generation are the reprobates, an evil, wicked generation whose father is the devil and the works of their father they do.

John 8:41-47~"Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."

It is used over fifty times in this sense throughout both testaments.

To be continue.....

 

[Josheb]

To be continue.....

Maybe you and I can save us all some time with the answer to a few basic questions. First.....

How many different meanings does the word "dead" have in scripture?

 

[Red Baker]

In this post and the next three, I'm going to give every scripture where the word generation is found beginning with Genesis so we can see in what sense it is used within its context in which it was given.

Genesis 7:1 ~ And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. It does not say in Noah's generation, but in this generation~which generation ( in reference to time ) is described for us in Genesis 6:5 as a wicked, sinful, generation of people~ every action and thoughts were evil continually.

Genesis 15:16 ~ But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. Speaking of time, not a type of people.

Genesis 50:21 ~ And Joseph saw Ephraim's children of the third generation: the children also of Machir the son of Manasseh were brought up upon Joseph's knees. Again, speaking of a time frame that men live upon the stage of actions in this world.

Exodus 1:6 ~ And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation. Speaking of a time in which is considered a generation, in its common use.

Exodus 17:16 ~ For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation. No question, time.

Exodus 20:5 ~ Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; Speaking of time.

Exodus 34:7 ~ Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. Again, speaking of time.

Numbers 14:18 ~ The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. Time

Numbers 32:13 ~ And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed. Generation here is speaking of the evil generation that lived in Israel, Not of everyone that lived during that present generation~for some were righteous like Joshua and Caleb, etc. So, here it is speaking of a type of people that would be spiritually considered a generation.

Deuteronomy 1:35 ~ Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil generation see that good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers, Here it is without question speaking of a type of people, not of time. There has always been tares among the wheat from the beginning of the world, and those tare's are evil children of the Wicked One, whom he has sowed among the righteous.

Deuteronomy 2:14 ~ And the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea, until we were come over the brook Zered, was thirty and eight years; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them. Here generation is used in the sense of a type of people.

Deuteronomy 5:9 ~ Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, Very simple~time.

Deuteronomy 23:2,3,8 ~ A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: All time

Deuteronomy 29:22 ~ So that the generation to come of your children that shall rise up after you, and the stranger that shall come from a far land, shall say, when they see the plagues of that land, and the sicknesses which the LORD hath laid upon it; Time

Deuteronomy 32:5 ~ They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation. A type of people which is considered by God's word as a generation proceeding from the Evil One, Satan himself their father.

Deuteronomy 32:20 ~ They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation. Without question speaking of a type of people who are not God's children

Now I will only give a list of scriptures that our reader can read for themselves: Judges 2:10; 2nd Kings 10:30; 2nd King 15:12; Esther 9:28 all speak of time.

Psalms 12:7 ~ Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Without question speaks of a type of people, namely the ungodly~ which is seen by reading the context of this short Psalm.

Psalms 14:5; 22:30; 24:6 all speak of a type of people namely the chosen generation that God had chosen from the beginning.

Psalms 48:18 is speaking of time; 49:19 is speaking of a type of people.

Psalms 71:18 ~ Now also when I am old and grayheaded, O God, forsake me not; until I have shewed thy strength unto this generation, and thy power to every one that is to come. This is not as easy as the rest, yet, if we read the whole psalm, the context will guide us to see that this generation has to do with a type of people that David asked to be delivered from.

Psalms 73:15 If I say, I will speak thus; behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children. Is speaking of a type of people, the chosen generation.

This is one of four post that should cover every scriptures dealing with the word generation.

 

[Red Baker]

Maybe you and I can save us all some time with the answer to a few basic questions. First.....

How many different meanings does the word "dead" have in scripture?

Sir, I know a few, why do "you" start a thread on this subject and I'll come. Some men believe that wisdom was born with them and with them shall wisdom died, I believe I have found such a man.

I'll give you one to start with ~ Proverbs 21:16~"The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead."

 

[Red Baker]

Btw, I need to give you a good cross reference to Proverbs 21:16 to help you come to a correct understanding of that verse, and it is here:

James 5:19,20~"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."

If you do not mind, I need to stay on my subject so I can give scriptures to prove to any sincere seeker and lover of God's word the truth on "this generation" as used by Jesus Christ himself, whom we all are to follow his teachings, not Tony Warren, as you well pointed, or Red Baker, or even you sir ~ by the time we are finished, there shall be no doubt the truth evidently set forth among us from the testimony from God himself.

Get busy starting your thread on the subject you are asking me about. Please do not disturb until I'm finished. Thank you.

 

[Red Baker]

Let us continue in our search considering the word "generation"~ in the scriptures~D.W. "Red" Baker​

Part two of four.

Psalms 78:4~"We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done." These scriptures with to come interprets the scriptures for us as to the sense in which generation is to be understood~here it is speaking of time, of course.

Psalms 78:6~"That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:"
Psalms 78:8~"And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God." This is speaking of a type of people living in a generation.

Psalms 95:10~Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: Without question it is speaking of a type of people living within a present generation of people

Psalms 102:18~"This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD." This is speaking of a type of people that shall be created to praise the LORD Jehovah.

Psalms 109:13~"Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out." Without question it is speaking of a type of people.

Psalms 112:2~His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed." Any doubt here? of course not, it is a type of people called the generation of the upright, and if there are such a people, and there are, then it is also true that there are a generation of wicked and evil people ~ which we shall see in the gospel's account when the phrase "this generation" is used a few times over.

Psalms 145:4~"One generation shall praise thy works to another, and shall declare thy mighty acts." Speaking of time.

Proverbs 27:24~"For riches are not for ever: and doth the crown endure to every generation?" Speaking of time.

Proverbs 30:11~"There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother."
Proverbs 30:12~"There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness."
Proverbs 30:13~"There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up."
Proverbs 30:14~"There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men."Verses 11-14 ~ all are speaking of a type of person living within a present generation of people, distinct from that generation in which they are living by their sinful nature ruling them in all of the actions toward others.

 

[Red Baker]

continue from above...

Ecclesiastes 1:4~"One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever." Of course time.

Isaiah 13:20~"It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there. Explained by the word "to" as time.

Isaiah 34:10~"It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever." Time

Isaiah 34:17~"And he hath cast the lot for them, and his hand hath divided it unto them by line: they shall possess it for ever, from generation to generation shall they dwell therein." Time

Isaiah 51:8~"For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to generation." Time

Isaiah 53:8~"He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken." A type of people~Jesus Christ has only one type of people.... the chosen generation of the righteous~even though Christ was cut off out of the land of the living, he SHALL SEE HIS SEED and be completely satisfied!

Jeremiah 2:31~"O generation, see ye the word of the LORD. Have I been a wilderness unto Israel? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee? Type of people

Jeremiah 7:29~"Cut off thine hair, O Jerusalem, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on high places; for the LORD hath rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath." The generation of God's wrath are the wicked~so, this is a type of people Jeremiah has reference to.

Jeremiah 50:39~"Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation." Time

Lamentations 5:19~"Thou, O LORD, remainest for ever; thy throne from generation to generation. Time

Daniel 4:3~"How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation." Time

Daniel 4:34~"And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation: Time

Joel 1:3~"Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation. Time

Joel 3:20~But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. Time

Matthew 1:1~"The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." Type of people Jesus' pedigree/family.

Matthew 3:7~"But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Type of people

Matthew 11:16~"But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows," Jesus was speaking about the Pharisees, lawyers, and rulers of Israel, not about his apostles, his mother and thousands that did believe on him~he's speaking about the evil, wicked folks, living in his generation, not about every person within that generation. Context is king.

Look at verses 18, 19 of Matthew 11 and notice the words "they say" which tells us the meaning of this generation.

 

[Mr GLee]

Maybe you and I can save us all some time with the answer to a few basic questions. First.....

How many different meanings does the word "dead" have in scripture?

The dead generation dying mankind?

The same as the generation of Adam. . . . . dead in trespases and sin without God in this dark world

 

[Josheb]

Sir, I know a few....

Great.

We agree there are a few different meanings to the same word, "dead." Does the word "life" have different meanings in scripture?

Just answer the question asked. The questions and the answers are op-relevant.

The dead generation dying mankind? The same as the generation of Adam...... dead in trespasses and sin without God in this dark world

Thanks, but my inquiry is addressed specifically and solely to the author of this op, specifically and solely regarding the content of this 6-post op, and nothing else. Unless you believe you know his mind and can speak for @Red Baker I will wait for Red to articulate, clarify, and explain his own views in his op.

 

[3 Resurrections]

First of all, Red, thank you for devoting some concentrated attention to this subject from your own perspective. Word study can be a bit tedious, but necessary on many occasions. In skimming over these comments, I do see some verses that you have put in one category which really need to be placed in another. For just one example, the "evil generation" that God suffered for forty years in the wilderness. Simply because the word "evil" is placed in front of "generation" doesn't necessarily mean this generation is a type. The fact that forty years characterizes the timespan that God suffered this generation's disobedience tells me this particular use of the word "generation" is related to time - not type.

Another one is the "generation of vipers" verse. You have put this verse again in the type category, when it really is speaking of a relation to a progenitor - one of the three categories you mentioned - as the "offspring of vipers". There are some others, which you say "without doubt" belong in one category, but that really should be double checked and revised. But I give you kudos for being thorough anyway.

 

[Red Baker]

Let us continue in our search considering the word "generation"~ in the scriptures~D.W. "Red" Baker​

( The reason for my name being in the heading is that I'm also posting this on my Reddit forum

and i just copied and pasted here ~ But I'm doing the tedious work of looking at every verse in the bible where the word generation is used..... very time consuming...but it needs to be done before one can say that he took a very honest look at every scripture to make sure is teaching the truth on the subject under consideration, and not being partial to any certain scripture that may lend its sound bites to one searching. )

Part three......
Matthew 12:34~"O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." The word generation is used in the sense of speaking of a type of people,

Matthew 12:39~"But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:" Again, a type of people

Matthew 12:41~"The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here." Speaking of the evil and wicked people that lived in all generations who refuse and reject the word of God.

Matthew 12:42~"The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here." A type of people.

Matthew 12:45~"Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation." Type of people

Matthew 16:4~"A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed." A type of people among the chosen generation.

Matthew 17:17~"Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me." A faithless and perverse generation is speaking of a type of people !

Matthew 23:33~"Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" The generation of vipers WILL NOT escape the damnation of hellfire. A type of people.

Matthew 23:36~"Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Type of people.

Matthew 24:34~"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." WITHOUT QUESTION, a type of people whom Christ had been speaking about in the context of Matthew 24. Why would it be speaking of time, when up to this point there is no reference to time as far as the word generation has been used? More on this verse later.

Mark 8:12~"And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation. A type of people.

Mark 8:38~"Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."A type of people are under consideration from the context of Mark 8.

Mark 9:19~"He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me." A type of people that have always lived among the righteous.

Mark 13:30~"Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. A type of people.

 

[Red Baker]

Part three finished....

Luke 1:50~And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. Speaking of time. One of the very few mentioning of generation in this sense in the NT! Those that fear God are the few among the generation of the wicked. Always a small remnant~and unless God had left such a remnant, then none would fear him.

Luke 3:7~"Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? A type of people.

Luke 7:31~"And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like? A type of people

Luke 9:41~"And Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring thy son hither." A type of people.

Luke 11:29~"And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet." Context proves that it is a type of people.

Luke 11:30~"For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation. As always in the NT, speaking of a type of people.

Luke 11:31~"The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here." A type of people.

Luke 11:32~"The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here." No question, a type of people.

Luke 11:50~"That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;" A very important scriptures which can only be interpreted to mean evil and wicked, faithless and perverse people. THey are the very ones that have shed blood upon the earth without a cause.

Luke 11:51~"From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation." Well this should settle the issue, that this generation has reference to the wicked that has lived in every generation, who have shed man's blood from Abel by Cain, who was of that wicked One, to the prophet Zechariah.

Luke 16:8~"And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light." One of the very few times it is speaking of time, not people.

Luke 17:25~"But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation." Type of people who rejected Christ

Luke 21:32~"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled." Type of people.

Acts 2:40~"And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. No question, a type of people.
Acts 8:33~"In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth." A type of people.
Acts 13:36~"For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:" Time.

 

[Red Baker]

First of all, Red, thank you for devoting some concentrated attention to this subject from your own perspective. Word study can be a bit tedious, but necessary on many occasions. In skimming over these comments, I do see some verses that you have put in one category which really need to be placed in another. For just one example, the "evil generation" that God suffered for forty years in the wilderness. Simply because the word "evil" is placed in front of "generation" doesn't necessarily mean this generation is a type. The fact that forty years characterizes the timespan that God suffered this generation's disobedience tells me this particular use of the word "generation" is related to time - not type.

Another one is the "generation of vipers" verse. You have put this verse again in the type category, when it really is speaking of a relation to a progenitor - one of the three categories you mentioned - as the "offspring of vipers". There are some others, which you say "without doubt" belong in one category, but that really should be double checked and revised. But I give you kudos for being thorough anyway.

We will come back and consider your points later I'm finished posting all scriptures on the word generation.

 

[Red Baker]

Does the word "life" have different meanings in scripture?

Just answer the question asked. The questions and the answers are op-relevant.

I'll answer this one and no more unless it pertains to This generation.

Life is used in different senses. It is used 412 times

LIFE, noun plu lives. Webster 1828

1. In a general/common sense, that state of animals and plants, or of an organized being, in which its natural functions and motions are performed, or in which its organs are capable of performing their functions. A tree is not destitute of life in winter, when the functions of its organs are suspended; nor man during a swoon or syncope; nor strictly birds, quadrupeds or serpents during their torpitude in winter. They are not strictly dead, till the functions of their organs are incapable of being renewed.

2. In animals, animation; vitality; and in man, that state of being in which the soul and body are united.

He entreated me not to take his life

3. In plants, the state in which they grow or are capable of growth, by means of the circulation of the sap. The life of an oak may be two, three, or four hundred years.

4. The present state of existence; the time from birth to death. The life of man seldom exceeds seventy/eighty years.

If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 1 Corinthians 15:19.

5. Manner of living; conduct; deportment, in regard to morals.

I will teach my family to lead good lives.

6. Condition; course of living, in regard to happiness and misery. We say, a man's life has been a series of prosperity, or misfortune.

7. Blood, the supposed vehicle of animation.

And the warm life came issuing through the wound.

8. Animals in general; animal being.

Full nature swarms with life

9. System of animal nature.

Lives through all life

10. Spirit; animation; briskness; vivacity; resolution.

They have no notion of life and fire in fancy and words.

11. The living form; real person or state; in opposition to a copy; as, a picture is taken from the life; a description from the life

12. Exact resemblance; with to, before life

His portrait is draw to the life

13. General state of man, or of social manners; as the studies and arts that polish life

14. Condition; rank in society; as high life and low life

15.Common occurrences; course of things; human affairs.

But to know that which before us lies in daily life is the prime wisdom.

16. A person; a living being; usually or always, a human being. How many lives were sacrificed during the revolution?

17. Narrative of a past life; history of the events of life; biographical narration. Johnson wrote the life of Milton, and the lives of other poets.

18. In Scripture, nourishment; support of life

For the tree of the field is man's life Deuteronomy 20:19.

19. The stomach or appetite.

His life abhorreth bread. Job 33:4.

20. The enjoyments or blessings of the present life

Having the promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 1 Timothy 4:8.

21. Supreme felicity.

To be spiritually minded is life and peace. Romans 8:2.

22. Eternal happiness in heaven. Romans 5:10.

23. Restoration to life Romans 5:10.

24. The author and giver of supreme felicity.

I am the way, the truth, and the life John 14:6.

25. A quickening, animating and strengthening principle, in a moral sense. John 6:27.

26. The state of being in force, or the term for which an instrument has legal operation; as the life of an execution.

 

[Red Baker]

Let us continue in our search considering the word "generation"~ in the scriptures~D.W. "Red" Baker​

Hebrews 3:10~"Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways." This has reference to the generation who were crooked and perverse living among the very elect, men like Joshua, and Caleb, and others coming out of Egypt into the land of promise, much like our day in the professing churches there are many more generation of serpents filling the churches around the world than who who are truly of the elect of God. This generation or that generation have never known God and he will confess in that day that he never knew them, even though they thought they had done many wonderful works in the name of Jesus CHrist, but they were serving their own lust, not he God of heaven. So, this is speaking of a kind of person living among the just ~ side by side, and no doubt war against them, in disagreement over the doctrines of the word of God.

Matthew 7:21-23~"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them***, I never knew you***: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Now we have come to the last place in the scriptures where we find the word "generation" ~ and there should be no question concerning its meaning, at least it should not be, but living among a forward and stiff neck generation of profess followers of God, they generally look for ways to spin every scriptures into their favor, so they can continue preaching lies and corrupting God's word, since they truly have no fear of God.

1st Peter 2:9~"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"

We opened this study with this verse and gave the sense then, so we will not repeat ourselves, but shall now go to the Olivet discourse and consider Matthew 24, but emphasis on verse 34 ~ in light of its biblical use and the context where we find "this generation" to prove Jesus Christ was speaking of a type of people that shall not pass, but shall actually increase greatly in the professing churches before the end of this present world as we know it.

This is the mustard seed, ( spoken of by Jesus ) which is the least of all seed, evolving into a great tree with large branches allowing the birds of the air to come and dwell in her branches. This is the leaven which a woman ( false prophets having the spirit of Jezebel ) took and hid in the meal, till the whole was leaven. Which two parables followed on the heel of the parable of the wheat and tares, but Jesus took it a little further explain just how many tares were sowed among the wheat, and we see that almost till the whole was leaven and would have been except the Lord shortened the period of the great tribulation of the last days just before Christ's second coming, leaving a very small remnant as light in this dark, corrupt world.

Matthew 13:31-33~"Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."

Coming back to look at Matthew 24 in depth.

 

[Josheb]

Good morning everyone, scrapple, eggs, and blueberries are for breakfast and the coffee iv is inserted .

Maybe you and I can save us all some time with the answer to a few basic questions. First.....

How many different meanings does the word "dead" have in scripture?

Sir, I know a few...

Great.

We agree there are a few different meanings to the same word, "dead." Does the word "life" have different meanings in scripture?

I'll answer this one and no more unless it pertains to This generation. Life is used in different senses. It is used 412 times

Yes, God often uses various words quite diversely throughout His revelation, and the words "life" and "death" are two obvious examples. Although the exact same word is used, the surrounding text and context provides us the information necessitating our learning the specific meaning in any given usage. The exegetical principle applied is to read the text as written, with the normal meaning of the words in thier ordinary usage unless there is something in the immediately surrounding text giving reason to do otherwise.

Why then is there this attempt to persuade us to believe "generation" has only one meaning?

First of all, Red, thank you for devoting some concentrated attention to this subject from your own perspective.

Unblessedly, there is little evidence a discussion is intended and what "conversation" does exist is characterized by his failure to understand the reasoning behind very valid and op-relevant inquiries and putting everyone off until the multitude of posts is forced upon the reader.

I'll answer this one and no more unless it pertains to This generation.

Both inquiries directly applied to the method employed in the op, and it doesn't appear to have been considered amidst the resistance.

We will come back and consider your points later I'm finished posting all scriptures on the word generation.

Which is code to you for "Shut up and listen until I am done." because there's not a snowball's chance in hell I might save myself and everyone else so time and effort if it was discovered early on there is a flaw in the op.

Part three finished....

Apparently not.....

We will come back and consider your points later I'm finished posting all scriptures on the word generation.

Let us continue in our search considering the word, "generation" ~ the scriptures~D.W. "Red Baker.

.................................Coming back to look at Matthew 24 in depth.

@3 Resurrections,

Notice the bait and switch (the false equivalence). This fallacy and the faulty methodology by which it is employed were broached and contested in an earlier thread where eschatology was being discussed. They find themselves repeated here more blatantly under the guise of a Bible study that explicitly argues the word "generation" has only one meaning. The problem is not only that the word "generation" has only one meaning because that premise is not in dispute (I do not know of anyone who thinks the word is monolithic in meaning. What is in dispute is 1) the phrase "this generation" is not in dispute. and 2) the method by which the one word is defined monolithically while ignoring an examination of the surrounding text, and 2) the method by which the one word is asserted incorrectly to define a larger phrase.

• Airplane
• Paper airplane

• Cancerous
• Cancerous ideology

• A generation
• This generation
• That generation

The simple addition of a single word can radically change the meaning of another word and that simple reality hasn't been addressed!

If you do not mind, I need to stay on my subject so I can give scriptures to prove to any sincere seeker and lover of God's word the truth on "this generation" as used by Jesus Christ himself, whom we all are to follow his teachings, not Tony Warren, as you well pointed, or Red Baker, or even you sir ~ by the time we are finished, there shall be no doubt the truth evidently set forth among us from the testimony from God himself.

Do you follow that? The implication is that his being a sincere seeker justifies and proves the veracity of his case and if you do not accept these posts and believe as he does then you are not a sincere seeker and lover of God's word.

Bait and switch
False equivalence
False cause
Genetic fallacy
No True Scotsman

There are others at least four more by my count) but five fallacies are sufficient to prove fatal for any case, not matter how well the rest of the case may have been reasoned. Logically, there's simply no way all this proves correct because it contains way too many logical errors. Seven lengthy posts that do not prove anything other than an ability to reason fallaciously, a resistance to others' input, and a willingness to abuse God's word.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Why then is there this attempt to persuade us to believe "generation" has only one meaning?

Josheb, RB at least concedes that the word "generation" can have three different senses (as he states in the beginning of his comment # 1). The problem arises when he personally chooses to assign one sense to the word when another sense actually applies. And also, as you have said, the simple addition of the one word "THIS" for generation narrows that sense down to a more definitive meaning.

We opened this study with this verse and gave the sense then, so we will not repeat ourselves, but shall now go to the Olivet discourse and consider Matthew 24, but emphasis on verse 34 ~ in light of its biblical use and the context where we find "this generation" to prove Jesus Christ was speaking of a type of people that shall not pass, but shall actually increase greatly in the professing churches before the end of this present world as we know it.

This is the mustard seed, ( spoken of by Jesus ) which is the least of all seed, evolving into a great tree with large branches allowing the birds of the air to come and dwell in her branches. This is the leaven which a woman ( false prophets having the spirit of Jezebel ) took and hid in the meal, till the whole was leaven. Which two parables followed on the heel of the parable of the wheat and tares, but Jesus took it a little further explain just how many tares were sowed among the wheat, and we see that almost till the whole was leaven and would have been except the Lord shortened the period of the great tribulation of the last days just before Christ's second coming, leaving a very small remnant as light in this dark, corrupt world.

Matthew 13:31-33~"Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."

Red, what really troubles me here is the switch in meaning you are giving for the parables of the leaven and the mustard seed in comment #15. You have the mustard seed and the leaven representing the increasing growth of evil things in this world, up to the consummation point of all human history. In other words, you believe leaven is not the effect of the kingdom of God increasing in this world, (as Christ promised), but instead is the corruption of the churches increasing in this world, all the way to the end of human history. The mustard seed that allows for the birds of the air to nest in its branches you are comparing to evil, corrupted churches allowing unclean "birds of prey" to nest under their protection. This is essentially the idea of what you posted on the other website where we were both members.

This flipping the interpretation of the meaning in Christ's parable into something evil instead of good is in contradiction to the growth of Christ's "stone" kingdom in this world, until it grows into a mountain that fills the whole earth (as in Daniel 2:35). Also, your view completely contradicts the statement that "of the increase of His government and of His peace there shall be no end." Also, your view completely contradicts Christ's promise to Peter that even the gates of Hell cannot withstand against the progress of the church's influence in this world. These are not at all indicative of a pessimistic view of the work of the Holy Spirit in this world. Our confidence is not in mankind's ability to improve conditions in this world, but in the sure progress of the Holy Spirit at work among mankind.

 

[Josheb]

Josheb, RB at least concedes that the word "generation" can have three different senses (as he states in the beginning of his comment # 1). The problem arises when he personally chooses to assign one sense to the word when another sense actually applies. And also, as you have said, the simple addition of the one word "THIS" for generation narrows that sense down to a more definitive meaning.

Yep.

The problem with the op, aside from its tyranny of ad nauseam, is the misleading nature of that absence. It's like reading/hearing the morning news: it's not just what you read/hear that is the problem; it is what is left out that is often the more egregious problem (and if done knowingly then the more egregious deceit).

Red, what really troubles me here is the switch in meaning you are giving for the parables of the leaven and the mustard seed in comment #15.

....and the use of figurative/symbolic over the literal.

You have the mustard seed and the leaven representing the increasing growth of evil things in this world, up to the consummation point of all human history. In other words, you believe leaven is not the effect of the kingdom of God increasing in this world, (as Christ promised), but instead is the corruption of the churches increasing in this world, all the way to the end of human history. The mustard seed that allows for the birds of the air to nest in its branches you are comparing to evil, corrupted churches allowing unclean "birds of prey" to nest under their protection. This is essentially the idea of what you posted on the other website where we were both members.

This flipping the interpretation of the meaning in Christ's parable into something evil instead of good is in contradiction to the growth of Christ's "stone" kingdom in this world, until it grows into a mountain that fills the whole earth (as in Daniel 2:35). Also, your view completely contradicts the statement that "of the increase of His government and of His peace there shall be no end." Also, your view completely contradicts Christ's promise to Peter that even the gates of Hell cannot withstand against the progress of the church's influence in this world. These are not at all indicative of a pessimistic view of the work of the Holy Spirit in this world. Our confidence is not in mankind's ability to improve conditions in this world, but in the sure progress of the Holy Spirit at work among mankind.

The problem with you, is that you did not get his permission to post before he is done .

Coming back to look at Matthew 24 in depth.

He's not yet done. Wait your turn .

 

[3 Resurrections]

He's not yet done. Wait your turn .

LOL, I really don't mind Josheb. RB is my senior by a decade or more, and as such, I try to give honor to the "hoary head", especially if it is found in the way of righteousness. I'll get there soon enough with my own full set of hoary hairs meanwhile. Usually I make an effort to give everyone the opportunity to state their full case before I jump in. Besides, the more posted, the more opportunity to see where either the truth or the error lies.

 

[Red Baker]

The problem with you, is that you did not get his permission to post before he is done .

He's not yet done. Wait your turn .

Go ahead and post, I'm getting ready to start with Mattehw 24~and yes, I do

read the text as written, with the normal meaning of the words in thier ordinary usage unless there is something in the immediately surrounding text giving reason to do otherwise.

Btw, I, at one point back in the seventies, believed "this generation" meant the generation living when that which Christ spoke about begin to take place, would not pass until his second coming~Now, I know that this generation, mean the very people Christ was speaking about in Matthew 24, would not pass, but would actually increase, until Christ's second coming, much like Noah's days!

Josheb, RB at least concedes that the word "generation" can have three different senses (as he states in the beginning of his comment # 1)

Why did not our friend Josheb see this? Thank you for watching after him, he needs a little help.

LOL, I really don't mind Josheb. RB is my senior by a decade or more, and as such, I try to give honor to the "hoary head", especially if it is found in the way of righteousness. I'll get there soon enough with my own full set of hoary hairs meanwhile.

Not only white hair now, but not that stable on my feet, I fell this morning shopping for some walking tennis shoes, right on my rump ~ on cement on top of that. My hip is still very sore.

I hope to start by Wednesday on Matthew 24, knowing my friend is chomping at the bit ~but, he's not yet learned that the tree he's barking up at, has a lion waiting on him, he will learn soon enough!

Ahab did not say much that had very much wisdom to it, but he did say one thing that Josheb should take notice of:

1st King 20:10,11~"And Benhadad sent unto him, and said, The gods do so unto me, and more also, if the dust of Samaria shall suffice for handfuls for all the people that follow me. And the king of Israel answered and said, Tell him, Let not him that girdeth on his harness boast himself as he that putteth it off.

I'm almost ready to put my sword and harness off~a well worn one at that ~ It is still good for a few more battles I'm sure, we shall see.