LET’S TALK ABOUT WORSHIP

[Buff Scott Jr.]

Let’s Talk About Worship
[Can It Be Confined Or Restricted?]
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I will begin by saying that worship in the grace era for the committed believer is incessant, not determined by the hands on a church clock or by location. Jesus taught that the time would come when worship would be anytime and the place where we are. Here is Heaven’s affirmation:

“The woman said to Him, ‘Sir, I perceive you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.’ Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father...But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth...God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.’ ” [John 4:1-26].

That time is here, and has been for 2,000 years. Paul wrote, “Whatever you do, in word or in deed, do it all to the glory of God.” No committed believer can do anything “to the glory of God” without worshiping Him. This means that worship for the committed believer is a 24-hour-a-day matter, not just at certain times and places.

To express it another way, in the grace era a committed believer’s worship never ends. It cannot be confined to special locations or restricted to certain hours. Whatever believers “do to the glory of God” and “in the name of Jesus,” whether inside or outside our meeting places, is worship. “And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God through Him” [Col. 3:17]. Any committed believer who lives his life “to the glory of God” is worshiping Him. This means that worship for the faithful believer is a 24-hour-a-day matter.

Under the Old Covenant and Moses, worship was more of an external methodology in that formal worship was scheduled for seasons and times and places—such as Jerusalem. But ceremonious worship under Jesus and the New Way ended when it was superseded by perpetual phrase.

To rephrase: It would be a difficult task to do something “to the glory of God” and “in His name” without phrasing or worshiping Him. Jesus said as much in John 4 [above] when He informed the woman at the well the time would come when worship would be anytime and the place where we are. Worship cannot be turned on and off like a water faucet. It is the whole of a believer’s life.

But the Religious Establishment wants her devotees to “worship in church,” for that is where the gold-plated collection plates are passed. And they need our money to pay for the edifice and to finance the employment of a professional orator. Sadly, our departure has long been authenticated.​

 

[Soyeong]

Let’s Talk About Worship
[Can It Be Confined Or Restricted?]
​

I will begin by saying that worship in the grace era for the committed believer is incessant, not determined by the hands on a church clock or by location. Jesus taught that the time would come when worship would be anytime and the place where we are. Here is Heaven’s affirmation:

“The woman said to Him, ‘Sir, I perceive you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.’ Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father...But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth...God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.’ ” [John 4:1-26].

That time is here, and has been for 2,000 years. Paul wrote, “Whatever you do, in word or in deed, do it all to the glory of God.” No committed believer can do anything “to the glory of God” without worshiping Him. This means that worship for the committed believer is a 24-hour-a-day matter, not just at certain times and places.

To express it another way, in the grace era a committed believer’s worship never ends. It cannot be confined to special locations or restricted to certain hours. Whatever believers “do to the glory of God” and “in the name of Jesus,” whether inside or outside our meeting places, is worship. “And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God through Him” [Col. 3:17]. Any committed believer who lives his life “to the glory of God” is worshiping Him. This means that worship for the faithful believer is a 24-hour-a-day matter.

Under the Old Covenant and Moses, worship was more of an external methodology in that formal worship was scheduled for seasons and times and places—such as Jerusalem. But ceremonious worship under Jesus and the New Way ended when it was superseded by perpetual phrase.

To rephrase: It would be a difficult task to do something “to the glory of God” and “in His name” without phrasing or worshiping Him. Jesus said as much in John 4 [above] when He informed the woman at the well the time would come when worship would be anytime and the place where we are. Worship cannot be turned on and off like a water faucet. It is the whole of a believer’s life.

But the Religious Establishment wants her devotees to “worship in church,” for that is where the gold-plated collection plates are passed. And they need our money to pay for the edifice and to finance the employment of a professional orator. Sadly, our departure has long been authenticated.​

In Hebrews 1:3, the Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact image of His nature, so the way to bring glory to God is by be in His image such that we are living in a way that testifies about the nature of who God is and what He has done in accordance with following the Son's example of living in obedience to the Mosaic Law. For instance, by doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law in accordance with the example Christ set for us to follow, we are testify knowing, loving, worshiping, believing in, and testifying about God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16). Aspects of God's nature are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), and the Mosaic Law is truth (Psalms 119:142), so obedience to it is the way to worship God in Spirit and in truth. In other words, the Mosaic Law is the God of Israel's instructions for how to worship Him.

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

In Hebrews 1:3, the Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact image of His nature, so the way to bring glory to God is by be in His image such that we are living in a way that testifies about the nature of who God is and what He has done in accordance with following the Son's example of living in obedience to the Mosaic Law. For instance, by doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law in accordance with the example Christ set for us to follow, we are testify knowing, loving, worshiping, believing in, and testifying about God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16). Aspects of God's nature are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), and the Mosaic Law is truth (Psalms 119:142), so obedience to it is the way to worship God in Spirit and in truth. In other words, the Mosaic Law is the God of Israel's instructions for how to worship Him.

Lest you have not read Paul's remarks relating to the Old Law and the grace era, allow me to give you a couple quotes.

"So then, the law [of Moses] was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian" [Gal. 3:24-25].

"For He Himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in His flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments [or Law of Moses] and ordinances, that He might create in Himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace" [Eph. 2:14-16].

If the Old Law of Moses could have saved and justified, the death of the Son of God would not have been necessary. ​

 

[Arial]

But the Religious Establishment wants her devotees to “worship in church,” for that is where the gold-plated collection plates are passed. And they need our money to pay for the edifice and to finance the employment of a professional orator. Sadly, our departure has long been authenticated.

That may be true in some cases but is not a picture of what worship in a church service is intended for. It does have a purpose,and it does not confine worship to one place or one way. It is simply for God's people to gather together corporately as a chosen people, in the world but not of the world, all one family, to worship in a corporate manner, and hear the word of God.

The fact that this is often not the case in today's churches does not nullify the real thing, with the real people of God, and is a beautiful thing to God. The scriptures tell us to gather together and sing praises and hear the word taught. He established that as a means of benefitting His people. There were churches scattered all over the place in the NT. Letters were written to them. What do you think they were doing there? The gospel could not have spread as it did without churches being established by the apostles and others. The doctrines of Christ's church could not have even been established with out congregations gathering together.

 

[ChristB4us]

Let’s Talk About Worship
[Can It Be Confined Or Restricted?]
​

I will begin by saying that worship in the grace era for the committed believer is incessant, not determined by the hands on a church clock or by location. Jesus taught that the time would come when worship would be anytime and the place where we are. Here is Heaven’s affirmation:

“The woman said to Him, ‘Sir, I perceive you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.’ Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father...But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth...God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.’ ” [John 4:1-26].

That time is here, and has been for 2,000 years. Paul wrote, “Whatever you do, in word or in deed, do it all to the glory of God.” No committed believer can do anything “to the glory of God” without worshiping Him. This means that worship for the committed believer is a 24-hour-a-day matter, not just at certain times and places.​

Clarity is needed since obviously you are posting this as in taking time from doing this 24 hour a day worship.

To express it another way, in the grace era a committed believer’s worship never ends. It cannot be confined to special locations or restricted to certain hours. Whatever believers “do to the glory of God” and “in the name of Jesus,” whether inside or outside our meeting places, is worship. “And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God through Him” [Col. 3:17]. Any committed believer who lives his life “to the glory of God” is worshiping Him. This means that worship for the faithful believer is a 24-hour-a-day matter.​

Okay; that clears it up a little bit. I shall add...

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Under the Old Covenant and Moses, worship was more of an external methodology in that formal worship was scheduled for seasons and times and places—such as Jerusalem. But ceremonious worship under Jesus and the New Way ended when it was superseded by perpetual phrase.

To rephrase: It would be a difficult task to do something “to the glory of God” and “in His name” without phrasing or worshiping Him. Jesus said as much in John 4 [above] when He informed the woman at the well the time would come when worship would be anytime and the place where we are. Worship cannot be turned on and off like a water faucet. It is the whole of a believer’s life.

But the Religious Establishment wants her devotees to “worship in church,” for that is where the gold-plated collection plates are passed. And they need our money to pay for the edifice and to finance the employment of a professional orator. Sadly, our departure has long been authenticated.​

Explain your use of the term "committed believer". Many religious people & Christians of the day would relate that to a saved believer keeping his commitment to follow Christ of what I formerly relate to but now has been set free to follow Him by faith, meaning by His grace & by His help, I rely on Jesus Christ all the time for doing His work in me and through me since it is His ministry in me and through me.

So the worshipping 24 hour part may be confusing for when we are to take time out and worship Him in any part of the day or any place, but we are to trust in Jesus Christ to help us abide in Him & His words 24 hour a day as His disciples so we can bear fruit.

My contentions against a believer's commitment is that it speaks of himself and his will power in keeping; after all it is his commitment telling God and men he is going to do it.

God has made a New Covenant with us telling us He is going to do it and all He asks from us is to believe Him.

It is why it is simply written that the just shall live by faith. Trust is the basis for all relationships and entering into that New Covenant like a little child is by trusting Jesus Christ at His word that He will do it. So believe, ask for forgiveness to be set free from that man made yoke of bondage and rest in him that He will do it for that is also part of His glory in bringing us Home with crowns as His achievements on us.

Personal worship? Every now and then He leads me to listen to songs praising Him. My hope is in Him that when He brings me into Heaven, He will put a new song on my lips to sing and it will be a very good day in the Lord.

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

That may be true in some cases but is not a picture of what worship in a church service is intended for. It does have a purpose,and it does not confine worship to one place or one way. It is simply for God's people to gather together corporately as a chosen people, in the world but not of the world, all one family, to worship in a corporate manner, and hear the word of God.

The fact that this is often not the case in today's churches does not nullify the real thing, with the real people of God, and is a beautiful thing to God. The scriptures tell us to gather together and sing praises and hear the word taught. He established that as a means of benefitting His people. There were churches scattered all over the place in the NT. Letters were written to them. What do you think they were doing there? The gospel could not have spread as it did without churches being established by the apostles and others. The doctrines of Christ's church could not have even been established with out congregations gathering together.

Of course, there were congregations scattered here and there. I've never indicated otherwise. And of course, when they came together they worshipped God corporately and edified one another. Again, I've never indicated otherwise.

But worship for them did not cease the moment they left the meeting place. It was a continual matter, an integral part of their lives. So says Jesus in John 4, the passages I quoted. If a believer is not worshiping God on his/her way to the meeting place, he/she is probably not worshiping after they get there!​

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

Clarity is needed since obviously you are posting this as in taking time from doing this 24 hour a day worship.

Okay; that clears it up a little bit. I shall add...

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Explain your use of the term "committed believer". Many religious people & Christians of the day would relate that to a saved believer keeping his commitment to follow Christ of what I formerly relate to but now has been set free to follow Him by faith, meaning by His grace & by His help, I rely on Jesus Christ all the time for doing His work in me and through me since it is His ministry in me and through me.

So the worshipping 24 hour part may be confusing for when we are to take time out and worship Him in any part of the day or any place, but we are to trust in Jesus Christ to help us abide in Him & His words 24 hour a day as His disciples so we can bear fruit.

My contentions against a believer's commitment is that it speaks of himself and his will power in keeping; after all it is his commitment telling God and men he is going to do it.

God has made a New Covenant with us telling us He is going to do it and all He asks from us is to believe Him.

It is why it is simply written that the just shall live by faith. Trust is the basis for all relationships and entering into that New Covenant like a little child is by trusting Jesus Christ at His word that He will do it. So believe, ask for forgiveness to be set free from that man made yoke of bondage and rest in him that He will do it for that is also part of His glory in bringing us Home with crowns as His achievements on us.

Personal worship? Every now and then He leads me to listen to songs praising Him. My hope is in Him that when He brings me into Heaven, He will put a new song on my lips to sing and it will be a very good day in the Lord.

You asked about a "committed believer" and my usage of the term. You gave the answer when you added, "I rely on Jesus Christ all the time for doing His work in me and through me since it is His ministry in me and through me." I agree.

Worshiping incessantly simply means we are always honoring God in our actions and thoughts. This is our lifestyle. When a believer is faithful to God, he is worshiping even when he is involved in secular, ordinary activities, for his entire life is devoted to Jesus Christ.​

 

[Arial]

Of course, there were congregations scattered here and there. I've never indicated otherwise. And of course, when they came together they worshipped God corporately and edified one another. Again, I've never indicated otherwise.

But worship for them did not cease the moment they left the meeting place. It was a continual matter, an integral part of their lives. So says Jesus in John 4, the passages I quoted. If a believer is not worshiping God on his/her way to the meeting place, he/she is probably not worshiping after they get there!​

I don't know how you would know one way or the other and that was not the thrust of the OP.

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

I don't know how you would know one way or the other and that was not the thrust of the OP.

It was simply another thought I added on the subject.

 

[Soyeong]

Lest you have not read Paul's remarks relating to the Old Law and the grace era, allow me to give you a couple quotes.​

The God of Israel has given instructions for how to worship Him by acting in accordance with His nature and people can choose whether or not to follow those instructions, but people can't worship Him instead of following those instructions, and Paul was a servant of God, so he should not be interpreted as speaking against following those instructions.

"So then, the law [of Moses] was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian" [Gal. 3:24-25]. ​

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to have experience of knowing God and Jesus through acting in accordance with God's nature, which is eternal life (John 17:3), and which is why Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying God's commandments (Matthew 19:17, Luke 10:25-28). So the Mosaic Law leads us to Christ because it is God's instructions for how to know Him, but does not lead us to Christ so that we can reject what he taught and go back to living in sin. In other words, the way to receive the one who is the embodiment of God's word is by us embodying God's word through following his example.

Moreover, in Galatians 3:16-19, a new covenant does not nullify the promise of a covenant that has already been ratified, so the New Covenant does not nullify our need to obey the Mosaic Law in accordance with the promise, but rather it still involves obeying it (Jeremiah 31:33). Likewise, in Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being children of God, in Christ, through faith, and being children of Abraham and heirs to the promise is directly connected to living in obedience to the Mosaic Law. In 1 John 3:4-10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to the Mosaic Law are not children of God. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law. In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him.

"For He Himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in His flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments [or Law of Moses] and ordinances, that He might create in Himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace" [Eph. 2:14-16].​

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so Ephesians 2:14-16 should not be interpreted as referring to the Mosaic Law. The Greek word "dogma" refers to something other than the Mosaic Law in every other instance that the Bible uses it, so justification needs to be given for why it should be interpreted as referring to the Mosaic Law, especially in light of the fact that all of God's righteous laws are eternal. God did not make any mistakes when He gave His law, so He had no need to abolish His own law. God did not give His law for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Furthermore, in Ephesians 2:12-19, it is speaking about Gentiles being joined to the covenants of promise and to Israel through faith in Christ, which is in accordance with becoming obedient to the Mosaic Law, not about Jews abandoning the covenants of promise, Israel, the Mosaic Law, and Christ, and becoming joined to Gentiles.

If the Old Law of Moses could have saved and justified, the death of the Son of God would not have been necessary. ​

The Mosaic Law is God's word and Jesus is God's word made flesh, so it is contradictory to think that we are saved through the one who is the embodiment of God's word, but are not saved by embodying God's word. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so while we do not earn our salvation as a wage as the result of obeying it, living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is nevertheless intrinsically part of the gift of him saving us from not living in obedience to it.

In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not required to have first done those works in order to become saved and we are not required to do those works as the result of having first become saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to do those works is itself the content of His gift of saving us from not doing those works. Moreover, in Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20).

 

[Buff Scott Jr.]

The God of Israel has given instructions for how to worship Him by acting in accordance with His nature and people can choose whether or not to follow those instructions, but people can't worship Him instead of following those instructions, and Paul was a servant of God, so he should not be interpreted as speaking against following those instructions.


In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to have experience of knowing God and Jesus through acting in accordance with God's nature, which is eternal life (John 17:3), and which is why Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying God's commandments (Matthew 19:17, Luke 10:25-28). So the Mosaic Law leads us to Christ because it is God's instructions for how to know Him, but does not lead us to Christ so that we can reject what he taught and go back to living in sin. In other words, the way to receive the one who is the embodiment of God's word is by us embodying God's word through following his example.

Moreover, in Galatians 3:16-19, a new covenant does not nullify the promise of a covenant that has already been ratified, so the New Covenant does not nullify our need to obey the Mosaic Law in accordance with the promise, but rather it still involves obeying it (Jeremiah 31:33). Likewise, in Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being children of God, in Christ, through faith, and being children of Abraham and heirs to the promise is directly connected to living in obedience to the Mosaic Law. In 1 John 3:4-10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to the Mosaic Law are not children of God. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law. In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him.


All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so Ephesians 2:14-16 should not be interpreted as referring to the Mosaic Law. The Greek word "dogma" refers to something other than the Mosaic Law in every other instance that the Bible uses it, so justification needs to be given for why it should be interpreted as referring to the Mosaic Law, especially in light of the fact that all of God's righteous laws are eternal. God did not make any mistakes when He gave His law, so He had no need to abolish His own law. God did not give His law for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Furthermore, in Ephesians 2:12-19, it is speaking about Gentiles being joined to the covenants of promise and to Israel through faith in Christ, which is in accordance with becoming obedient to the Mosaic Law, not about Jews abandoning the covenants of promise, Israel, the Mosaic Law, and Christ, and becoming joined to Gentiles.


The Mosaic Law is God's word and Jesus is God's word made flesh, so it is contradictory to think that we are saved through the one who is the embodiment of God's word, but are not saved by embodying God's word. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so while we do not earn our salvation as a wage as the result of obeying it, living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is nevertheless intrinsically part of the gift of him saving us from not living in obedience to it.

In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not required to have first done those works in order to become saved and we are not required to do those works as the result of having first become saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to do those works is itself the content of His gift of saving us from not doing those works. Moreover, in Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20).

I could give you a ton of additional scriptures depicting the fact that we no longer under the Old Covenant but instead under the New Covenant. Although the Old Covenant was created by our God, it was simply a guardian until the New Way was ushered in. Would you like me to afford you those scriptures regarding the two Covenants? I'd be happy to do so.​

 

[Soyeong]

I could give you a ton of additional scriptures depicting the fact that we no longer under the Old Covenant but instead under the New Covenant. Although the Old Covenant was created by our God, it was simply a guardian until the New Way was ushered in. Would you like me to afford you those scriptures regarding the two Covenants? I'd be happy to do so.​

I agree that we are not under the Mosaic Covenant, but are under the New Covenant, which involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33).

In Deuteronomy 30:1-10, it prophesies about a time when the Israelites would return from exile, God would circumcise their hearts, and they would return to obedience to the Mosaic Law. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, and Jeremiah 31:33, they are speaking in regard to the New Covenant, about of the Israelites returning from exile, God circumcising our hearts by means of the Spirit, and returning to obedience to the Mosaic Law. In Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcises heart is by observing their obedience to the Mosaic Law and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and refuse to obey the Mosaic Law. So the New Covenant is all about Israel returning to obedience to the Mosaic Law.

In Hebrews 8:7-9, the fault that God found with the Mosaic Covenant was not with His law, but with the people for not continuing to obey it, so the salutation to the problem was not to do away with His law, but to do away with what was hindering us from obeying it, which is why God sent His Son to free us from sin so that we might be free to obey the Mosaic Law and meet its righteous requirement (Romans 8:3-4), why God sent the Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), and why it involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33).

 

[ChristB4us]

You asked about a "committed believer" and my usage of the term. You gave the answer when you added, "I rely on Jesus Christ all the time for doing His work in me and through me since it is His ministry in me and through me." I agree.​

Then it is best you do not use the term of a "committed" believer because in the eyes of the world that speaks of the believer in being committed to do what he wills to do as if keeping his commitment or promise to God and thus by the flesh.

It will be clearer to the eyes of the religious people when the believer testifies of his faith in Jesus Christ, thus speaking of Jesus Christ in what He will do for them and thereby give the religious people, including religious Christians, hope to also come to Him and rest in Him for all things.

Worshiping incessantly simply means we are always honoring God in our actions and thoughts. This is our lifestyle. When a believer is faithful to God, he is worshiping even when he is involved in secular, ordinary activities, for his entire life is devoted to Jesus Christ.​

Thank you for sharing, although I agree with what you mean by worshipping incessantly, I consider that as discipleship as enabled by the grace of God & faith in Jesus Christ to do just so as to not confuse that with that time & devotion of giving actual worship wherever and whenever we be.

Worshipping incessantly has been applied in these latter days "revivals" per the example of Asbury Revival but it is actually apostasy. Albeit, it is not still ongoing as that revival is over with, but the term does not give the appearance of doing all things in moderation, regardless if it is being done in an apostate revival or not.

Discipleship is living by faith in Jesus Christ for following Him and so that is one thing in a Christian life that cannot be done with moderation. That is how I see discipleship as always honoring God in our actions and thoughts.

Worshipping incessantly.... I find it hard to apply the phrase to discipleship even though I agree with what you meant what worshipping incessantly to mean, but only as for discipleship as always honoring God in our actions and thoughts.

Not sure if your meaning for that catch phrase will catch on, but it does paint a different picture and thus a different meaning for what you intended.

Perhaps the liberty in Christ for when and where we worship is really the term you should be using?

Thanks for sharing.

 

[donadams]

What happened to
“Call no man father”?