JESUS vs SAUL

[Mr GLee]

The Church was built upon 3000 Jews on Pentecost. Christ added to His Church daily thousands upon thousands more Jews who were obedient to God's Torah and in this obedience showed their love for Christ.

The church as the bride of Christ began with Abel the first apostle as a martyr. God sending out his gospel from all the nations of the world the time of judges was restored to that same government. God reigning as King of kings from heaven, it was restored to time period the first century reformation and again during the 15th century . . a carbon copy of the 1st .

 

[Josheb]

Saul was a Jew who converted to Christianity and maintained being a Jew..........

You cannot have it both ways.

You cannot, in one post, argue Saul was a Torah-adhering Jew and then, in another post, say Paul the Torah-adhering Jew taught things different than Torah taught. You cannot in one sentence say Saul was a Jew who converted to Christianity - which would make him a Christian and not a Jew - and then say he maintained being a Jew. There are no Jews or Gentiles on Christ. Everything built on that self-contradicting inconsistency is likewise fatally flawed.

 

[Josheb]

You ask me to prove Saul continued to obey the Torah after he became Christian?

No, I did not. I asked you to prove he was still a Jew.

This is a problem, @jeremiah1five, because it goes to show how impossible it is to have a cogent conversation with you. The simplest of questions are ignored and if not ignored then twisted to say things that were never asked. It's either disingenuous or dishonest (or both). I just re-read through the thread and it has dawned on me,


Has @jeremiah1five ever bothered to examine his presuppositions?


On numerous occasions claims are asserted as givens as if they are facts and not opinions, statements that are not open for debate or truths not to be questioned.... when in fact they are not facts or truth at all. Saul was changed by Christ. The change was so substantive he was given a new name. Saul became Paul. The Jew known as Saul of Tarsus became Paul of Christ. Jews do not, by definition, believe Jesus is the Messiah. That is what makes them Jews and not Christians. Before faith came, he was kept in custody under the law (Gal. 3:23) but having come to faith in Christ Paul then became a bondservant of Christ, not the Law. His no longer being in the custody of the Law did nt prevent him from using the Law as it was originally intended. Tanakh is always correct; Judaism is often wrong. Saul went from being a Jew to being a Christian named Paul and according to Paul..... There are no Jews or Gentiles in Christ. Whatever adherence to Torah Paul may have had after his conversion (scripture is largely silent about his practices), he was no longer a Jew. Paul was a Christian and not a Jew. There are no Jews in Christ.


Paul was a Christian.

 

[Eleanor]

Gentile Christian theology interprets the Bible with a Gentile mindset and worldview.
For 1900 years since the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple which ended the "ism" of Judaism, and the Times of the Gentiles came into existence with the saving of uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles, the emerging Gentile church fellowship has taken over Hebrew theology and re-interpreted the writings of Saul and the other writers of the New Covenant Scriptures (Matthew to Revelation), through a non-Jewish prism and have come up with many teachings that simply are not bible.

Now, I'm not going to get into all the ones I see as contradictory to the foundational teachings of the Hebrew Scriptures of Law, Psalms, and Prophets, and true Biblical Christianity because if a teaching that comes out of Gentile Christian minds is not supported by the Hebrew Scriptures, then it is to be thrown away and rejected.

All teaching of the NT is the word of God.

 

[ChristB4us]

Now, I'm not going to get into all the ones I see as contradictory to the foundational teachings of the Hebrew Scriptures of Law,

Do keep in mind that wisdom and discernment comes from the Lord for you to see that Paul was not saying anything different from what Jesus said.

If Saul seems to contradict the Lord, then the fault is with Saul. We can't have a gospel of Christ, and then turn around and say, Saul has the power to override it with his own inspired thoughts.

As if you can produce one scripture that has Paul actually saying that, which you cannot, and therefore you can only infer or misapply what it is that Paul is saying.

Really think Peter & James would give Paul the right hand of fellowship if Paul was teaching something like that?

Galatians 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Course, you can claim that we cannot take anything Paul has written as true and so we can refer to peter backing Paul's words as scripture.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

 

[ChristB4us]

Jesus:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:17.

Saul:
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Ephesians 2:15.

Jesus said He didn't come to abolish the Law and yet Saul says the law of commandments is abolished. Is Saul contradicting the Lord?

That enmity is sinful nature as the law of commandments contained in ordinances would expose that sin for how all sinners are judged.

Jesus fulfilled the law by paying the penalty for our sins on the cross.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You have to ask yourself what Jesus meant in Matthew 5:19 because those who break even the least of His commandments and teaches others so are what? The least in the kingdom of heaven. How can they be the least in the kingdom of heaven for breaking even the least of His commandment?

So think of Jesus fulfilling the law by paying the penalty for our sins which is death on the cross, and so all believers that are born again of the Spirit with that seal of adoption, has that foundation laid by Jesus Christ and He will judge each believer by what they built on that foundation.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Even if the believer is denied by Him for being workers of iniquity at the time of His appearing as the Bridegroom, and gets left behind to die, but in according to verse 15, he is still saved as the spirit will be in Heaven awaiting for his resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood and earth, hence, the least in the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 5:19.
2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Not convinced that Jesus & Paul are saying the same thing?
What defiles the temple of God? Jesus warned His disciples.
Matthew 15: 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man: ...

Does that not tie in with what Paul is saying for how He will judge His House at the pre great tribulation rapture event in 1 Corinthians 3:10-17?

Peter gives the same warning.

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. 7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Jesus warned that believers that are not ready in Luke 12:40-49 as not found abiding in Him & His words as His disciples, will be cut off, note verse 6 of Luke 15:1-8 and be with the unbelievers as they will get stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready Luke 12:46=48.

Paul gives that same message in Hebrews 12:1-10 about how the Father will scourge ( whipping ) every child He receives in verse 6 so that they may be partakers of His holiness in verse 10. That can only apply to His words in Luke 12:40-49 on those believers not ready as left behind.
The problem here is your emphasis on the believer to do His commandments or the law of Moses, I reckon, when the emphasis is for the believers to believe in Jesus Christ that they are saved simply by having believed in Him and since reconciled with God through Jesus Christ, we are to believe in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

You should read Acts 15th chapter as His disciples addressed the issue about whether or not the Gentiles had to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15th Chapter KJV

Before you rip into Paul as if he was abolishing the laws, you should read how His disciples had to settle that issue.

 

[Mr GLee]

Before you rip into Paul as if he was abolishing the laws, you should read how His disciples had to settle that issue.

Exactly its not about puffing up or venerating one apostle against another. Both or all apostles received the Spirit of Christ as it is writen.

Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

One Spirt one God working in all sons of God (Christians)

We can learn in them its the father of lies the god of this world the author or false pride that makes it about wrestling against flesh blood and not the message of peace they bring . How beautiful are their feet.

1 Cortihians 4: 6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

The Spirit of Christ using the apostles to bring his messages. It should create unity and not empty boasting "who is the greatest" . We already know by his living word .The Faithful Great Creator.

 

[ChristB4us]

Exactly its not about puffing up or venerating one apostle against another. Both or all apostles received the Spirit of Christ as it is writen.

Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

One Spirt one God working in all sons of God (Christians)

We can learn in them its the father of lies the god of this world the author or false pride that makes it about wrestling against flesh blood and not the message of peace they bring . How beautiful are their feet.

1 Cortihians 4: 6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

The Spirit of Christ using the apostles to bring his messages. It should create unity and not empty boasting "who is the greatest" . We already know by his living word .The Faithful Great Creator.

Paul certainly went through great length to diminish himself in regards to the Lord in His ministering.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Indeed, even John the Baptist made efforts to decrease himself in the eyes of the people once Jesus Christ had arrived.

John 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

And so as the truth goes... there is no Jesus VS Saul/Paul when Paul testified that he is nothing in light of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You cannot have it both ways.

You cannot, in one post, argue Saul was a Torah-adhering Jew and then, in another post, say Paul the Torah-adhering Jew taught things different than Torah taught. You cannot in one sentence say Saul was a Jew who converted to Christianity - which would make him a Christian and not a Jew - and then say he maintained being a Jew. There are no Jews or Gentiles on Christ. Everything built on that self-contradicting inconsistency is likewise fatally flawed.

What is a true Biblical Christian?
Answer: A Jew who is spiritually converted by the Holy Spirit and remains obedient to the Torah and follower of Jesus Christ, Israel's Messiah, Redeemer, and King.
THAT IS a true Biblical Christian.
But Gentiles have stolen that identifier to make it apply to them. Gentiles have stolen everything Hebrew/Jewish to make it ALL apply to them.
Even terms like "saint" and "Bride" and "Church" have been stolen by Gentiles to make such terms originally applied to Hebrews/Jews to make it apply to Gentiles.
This is called stealing. It is called theft. And Gentiles have for 1900 years done this inheritance theft to make everything God gave to His covenant people - the Hebrews/Jews - to make it ALL apply to Gentiles.

 

[jeremiah1five]

No, I did not. I asked you to prove he was still a Jew.

This is a problem, @jeremiah1five, because it goes to show how impossible it is to have a cogent conversation with you. The simplest of questions are ignored and if not ignored then twisted to say things that were never asked. It's either disingenuous or dishonest (or both). I just re-read through the thread and it has dawned on me,


Has @jeremiah1five ever bothered to examine his presuppositions?


On numerous occasions claims are asserted as givens as if they are facts and not opinions, statements that are not open for debate or truths not to be questioned.... when in fact they are not facts or truth at all. Saul was changed by Christ. The change was so substantive he was given a new name. Saul became Paul. The Jew known as Saul of Tarsus became Paul of Christ. Jews do not, by definition, believe Jesus is the Messiah. That is what makes them Jews and not Christians. Before faith came, he was kept in custody under the law (Gal. 3:23) but having come to faith in Christ Paul then became a bondservant of Christ, not the Law. His no longer being in the custody of the Law did nt prevent him from using the Law as it was originally intended. Tanakh is always correct; Judaism is often wrong. Saul went from being a Jew to being a Christian named Paul and according to Paul..... There are no Jews or Gentiles in Christ. Whatever adherence to Torah Paul may have had after his conversion (scripture is largely silent about his practices), he was no longer a Jew. Paul was a Christian and not a Jew. There are no Jews in Christ.


Paul was a Christian.

Saul was a Jew who became a Christ-follower. Becoming a Christ-follower did not change his biology. He remained a Jew.

 

[jeremiah1five]

All teaching of the NT is the word of God.

And all the NT was written by Jewish Christians to the Jews and Jewish Christians except two personal letters to Timothy.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Do keep in mind that wisdom and discernment comes from the Lord for you to see that Paul was not saying anything different from what Jesus said.

As if you can produce one scripture that has Paul actually saying that, which you cannot, and therefore you can only infer or misapply what it is that Paul is saying.

Really think Peter & James would give Paul the right hand of fellowship if Paul was teaching something like that?

Galatians 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Course, you can claim that we cannot take anything Paul has written as true and so we can refer to peter backing Paul's words as scripture.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

All Peter was doing was identifying Saul's letters as letters. The word for that is called Scripture.
My words here are SCRIPTure.
No biggie.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That enmity is sinful nature as the law of commandments contained in ordinances would expose that sin for how all sinners are judged.

Jesus fulfilled the law by paying the penalty for our sins on the cross.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You have to ask yourself what Jesus meant in Matthew 5:19 because those who break even the least of His commandments and teaches others so are what? The least in the kingdom of heaven. How can they be the least in the kingdom of heaven for breaking even the least of His commandment?

So think of Jesus fulfilling the law by paying the penalty for our sins which is death on the cross, and so all believers that are born again of the Spirit with that seal of adoption, has that foundation laid by Jesus Christ and He will judge each believer by what they built on that foundation.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Even if the believer is denied by Him for being workers of iniquity at the time of His appearing as the Bridegroom, and gets left behind to die, but in according to verse 15, he is still saved as the spirit will be in Heaven awaiting for his resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood and earth, hence, the least in the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 5:19.
2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Not convinced that Jesus & Paul are saying the same thing?
What defiles the temple of God? Jesus warned His disciples.
Matthew 15: 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man: ...

Does that not tie in with what Paul is saying for how He will judge His House at the pre great tribulation rapture event in 1 Corinthians 3:10-17?

Peter gives the same warning.

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. 7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Jesus warned that believers that are not ready in Luke 12:40-49 as not found abiding in Him & His words as His disciples, will be cut off, note verse 6 of Luke 15:1-8 and be with the unbelievers as they will get stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready Luke 12:46=48.

Paul gives that same message in Hebrews 12:1-10 about how the Father will scourge ( whipping ) every child He receives in verse 6 so that they may be partakers of His holiness in verse 10. That can only apply to His words in Luke 12:40-49 on those believers not ready as left behind.
The problem here is your emphasis on the believer to do His commandments or the law of Moses, I reckon, when the emphasis is for the believers to believe in Jesus Christ that they are saved simply by having believed in Him and since reconciled with God through Jesus Christ, we are to believe in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

You should read Acts 15th chapter as His disciples addressed the issue about whether or not the Gentiles had to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15th Chapter KJV

Before you rip into Paul as if he was abolishing the laws, you should read how His disciples had to settle that issue.

Question #1: Did the high priest under the Law ever go to Gentile nations/people and offer sacrifices for them (Gentiles)?
The answer is "NO."

Question #2: As High Priest did Jesus change the Law to make His sacrifice applicable to the nations/Gentiles?
The answer is "NO."

Simple.

 

[Mr GLee]

Question #1: Did the high priest under the Law ever go to Gentile nations/people and offer sacrifices for them (Gentiles)?
The answer is "NO."

Question #2: As High Priest did Jesus change the Law to make His sacrifice applicable to the nations/Gentiles?
The answer is "NO."

Simple.

I would think he poured out His holy Spirit on all flesh of dying mankind beginning with Abel. the Adamite. .

Numbers 27:16 Let the Lord, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation,

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

 

[Eleanor]

And all the NT was written by Jewish Christians to the Jews and Jewish Christians except two personal letters to Timothy.

Except for:
Romans -- written to the people of the church at Rome (1:7) who were predominantly Gentile, with Jews constituting a substantial minority.

1 Corinthians - written in regard to the pagan immortality which had plagued the Corinthian church from the beginning.

2 Corinthians, Galatians - written in regard to the false teachers (Judaizers) who were challenging both Paul's personal integrity and his authority as an apostle.

Philippians - among other things, to warn the Philippians against the Judaizers and antinomians among them (chp 3).

Colossians - to refute the Colossian heresy (ceremonialism, asceticism, angel worship, deprecation of Christ--by the Essenes, secret knowledge, reliance on human wisdom).

1 & 2 Thessalonians - to encourage the recent converts from paganism (1:9).

 

[ChristB4us]

All Peter was doing was identifying Saul's letters as letters. The word for that is called Scripture.
My words here are SCRIPTure.
No biggie.

Seems you are denying what is plainly Peter testifying Paul's epistles as scriptures as in the word of God, when those who are going astray are wresting Paul's words as they do the "other" scripture.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

 

[ChristB4us]

Question #1: Did the high priest under the Law ever go to Gentile nations/people and offer sacrifices for them (Gentiles)?
The answer is "NO."

Only when Gentiles become a convert to Judaism.

Question #2: As High Priest did Jesus change the Law to make His sacrifice applicable to the nations/Gentiles?
The answer is "NO."

The answer is "Yes".

Matthew 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Simple.

Not so simple when Jesus set the standard for how all who believe in Him shall be saved and that includes the world.

Pay attention to verse 17.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Josheb]

What is a true Biblical Christian?
Answer: A Jew who is spiritually converted by the Holy Spirit and remains obedient to the Torah and follower of Jesus Christ, Israel's Messiah, Redeemer, and King.
THAT IS a true Biblical Christian.
But Gentiles have stolen that identifier to make it apply to them. Gentiles have stolen everything Hebrew/Jewish to make it ALL apply to them.
Even terms like "saint" and "Bride" and "Church" have been stolen by Gentiles to make such terms originally applied to Hebrews/Jews to make it apply to Gentiles.
This is called stealing. It is called theft. And Gentiles have for 1900 years done this inheritance theft to make everything God gave to His covenant people - the Hebrews/Jews - to make it ALL apply to Gentiles.

Tell it to Cornelius, Epaenetus, Ampliatus, Urbanus, Stachys, Apelles, Aristobulus, Narcissus, Tryphaena, Tryphosa, Persis, Rufus, Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermes, Patrobas, Hermas, Philologus and Julia, and Nereus and his sister, and Olympas.


A Biblical Christian is anyone who calls upon the name of God's resurrected Son for salvation from sin and submits to him as Lord. It is those God chose before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless who are Biblical Christians.


Ephesians 1:3-6
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the beloved.


There are no Jews or Gentiles in Christ.

 

[Josheb]

Saul was a Jew who became a Christ-follower.

No, Saul was a Jew who became a Christian.

Coverts to Christ were originally called followers of The Way. The Way was a sect within Judaism, and the early members of The Way met in the temple and synagogue outer courts where Gentiles and Gentile converts could attend. As persecution from the Jews increased, so too did the dispersion of The Way's members. As the gospel spread throughout Asia those members of the The Way became known as "Christians," or "litle Christs."

Acts 11:19-26
So then those who were scattered because of the persecution that occurred in connection with Stephen made their way to Phoenicia and Cyprus and Antioch, speaking the word to no one except to Jews alone. But there were some of them, men of Cyprus and Cyrene, who came to Antioch and began speaking to the Greeks also, preaching the Lord Jesus. And the hand of the Lord was with them, and a large number who believed turned to the Lord. The news about them reached the ears of the church at Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas off to Antioch. Then when he arrived and witnessed the grace of God, he rejoiced and began to encourage them all with resolute heart to remain true to the Lord; for he was a good man, and full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And considerable numbers were brought to the Lord. And he left for Tarsus to look for Saul; and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.


Saul was taken to Antioch where, by that time, the term for converts to Christ was "Christian." Anyone who reads through Paul's letters chronologically readily learns Paul came to see himself as a "bondservant of Christ," not a Torah-adhering, Torah-justified Jew. He reported in his own words identifying with the Gentiles when he corrected Peter.


Galatians 2:14-16
But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; nevertheless, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.


He was a Jew, and a Jew "by nature,", but he, like Peter, lived like the Gentiles among the Gentiles. He told his readers they need not worry about meat offered to idols, they need not be circumcised, they need not honor any one day as more important than another, and a host of other truths that would be wholly irreconcilable with Judaism.

Becoming a Christ-follower did not change his biology. He remained a Jew.

Jewishness is not about biology, and neither genetics nor bloodline is worth anything. God can make Jews from rocks.

 

[Eleanor]

Jewishness is not about biology, and neither genetics nor bloodline is worth anything. God can make Jews from rocks.

Are you sure he hasn't?