Is the Devil using LGBTQ to destroy christian churches?

[Fred]

That is your interpretations.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor catamites, nor homosexuals,

1. BDAG (3rd Edition): a male who engages in sexual activity w. a pers. of his own sex...Paul's strictures against same-sex activity cannot be satisfactorily explained on the basis of alleged temple prostitution or limited to contract w. boys for homoerotic service (arsenokoitēs, page 135).
2. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: one who lies with a male as with a female, a sodomite: 1 Co. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:10 (arsenokoitēs, page 75).
3. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains: a male partner
in homosexual intercourse - 'homosexual.' (88.280, arsenokoitēs, page 772, J. P. Louw and Eugene Nida).

You can play make believe with how this word is properly defined all you want.

 

[Frank Robert]

You are the one who made the claim about the evolutionary hypothesis.

Where are the transitional forms between species?

Where are the transitional forms between non-invertebrates and invertebrates?

I explained it above. Here is the conclusion

...the claim that no examples exist of a species becoming something else is not accurate. The concepts of divergent and convergent evolution provide clear evidence of how new species with distinct characteristics can emerge from common ancestors or unrelated lineages, respectively
Do your own research. Here is a place to start:

Divergent & Convergent Evolution | Comparison & Examples​

 

[Fred]

I explained it above. Here is the conclusion

...the claim that no examples exist of a species becoming something else is not accurate. The concepts of divergent and convergent evolution provide clear evidence of how new species with distinct characteristics can emerge from common ancestors or unrelated lineages, respectively
Do your own research. Here is a place to start:

Divergent & Convergent Evolution | Comparison & Examples​

You can believe the lies above if you want.

 

[Frank Robert]

1. BDAG (3rd Edition): a male who engages in sexual activity w. a pers. of his own sex...Paul's strictures against same-sex activity cannot be satisfactorily explained on the basis of alleged temple prostitution or limited to contract w. boys for homoerotic service (arsenokoitēs, page 135).
2. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: one who lies with a male as with a female, a sodomite: 1 Co. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:10 (arsenokoitēs, page 75).
3. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains: a male partner
in homosexual intercourse - 'homosexual.' (88.280, arsenokoitēs, page 772, J. P. Louw and Eugene Nida).

You can play make believe with how this word is properly defined all you want.

I am not denying that same sex acts are considered sins according to many Christian denominations.

The issue is not about same sex acts being a sin but about same sex attraction being natural.

You can believe the lies above if you want.

You are advancing the Creationists opinion. I already know what creationists believe and I also know that such beliefs are reputed by many other Christian denominations.

I am not telling you or even suggesting what you believe or should believe I am just laying out the facts that your particular opinions are not universally shared among Christian denominations

 

[Fred]

I am not denying that same sex acts are considered sins according to many Christian denominations.

According to what the Bible teaches.

 

[Frank Robert]

According to what the Bible teaches.

There are 10s of thousand interpretations of what the bible teaches. You are entitled to your interpretation just as the other tens of thousand are entitled to theirs. There is no need to argue over things that don't matter and neglecting what matters. That same sex attraction is natural has nothing to do with living your faith in Christ.

 

[Fred]

There are 10s of thousand interpretations of what the bible teaches.

The Greek word has already been properly defined.

You don't approve of it, because you love playing make believe.

 

[Mr GLee]

There are 10s of thousand interpretations of what the bible teaches. You are entitled to your interpretation just as the other tens of thousand are entitled to theirs. There is no need to argue over things that don't matter and neglecting what matters. That same sex attraction is natural has nothing to do with living your faith in Christ.

Sinning, lusting after the flesh is natural. . . . . it has every thing to do with one's belief . Why look for support of a lie?. Look down the same you were born with. The words did not change meaning. Boy. . Girl . Not he is a lady. Not the first time in history it's nothing new under the Sun .

Its is why I believe history repeats itself, at the rise and fall of every government of mankind to include man and wife it has to do with morals that should bind. Broken they seperate . A wiles of the evil one. What God call seperate the liar calls it one same, the other way what God calls one one he multiples a legion

Natural man cannot change by himself only God can give a new heart desire and power as born again As as son of God, Christians , what we be when we shed these bodies of sin is not known . We are informed neither male nor female (no procreating) neither Jew nor Gentile a new creation .

Sounds like the design of the father of lies be one now. . . stop believing your own eyes.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

[Frank Robert]

Sinning, lusting after the flesh is natural. . . . . it has every thing to do with one's belief .

I think it is fair to say that Christian belief a crucial role in shaping one's attitudes towards sin and influencing behavior. Still, we are the sum total of our experiences and those experiences also play an important, if not determinate role in our actions.

Why look for support of a lie?.

You have given your opinion but zero evidence that lgbt is unnatural because there is none. even so it doesn't matter. If a person is suffering from psychic pain and let''s it known to a mental health therapist/counselor the therapist should make an appropriate referral to an expert in the field.

Not many years ago there a there was a Christian fraudulent "gay cure" know as conversion therapy. The largest group to promote it was Exodus International:

Exodus International was a non-profit, interdenominational Christian organization founded in 1976 that promoted conversion therapy, the practice of attempting to change a person's sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. The organization disbanded in 2012, acknowledging that conversion therapy is ineffective and harmful.​

Look down the same you were born with. The words did not change meaning. Boy. . Girl . Not he is a lady. Not the first time in history it's nothing new under the Sun .

I have a slight knowledge about gender dysphoria other than I know it exists. It has come up infrequently in my practice asan additions psychologist. When it did I made the appropriate referrals knowledgeable practitioners in accordance to what the patient's needs are.

Its is why I believe history repeats itself, at the rise and fall of every government of mankind to include man and wife it has to do with morals that should bind. Broken they seperate . A wiles of the evil one. What God call seperate the liar calls it one same, the other way what God calls one one he multiples a legion

NASA-funded study: Over 32 advanced civilizations have collapsed before us, If you have read the "Limits to Growth" the world is on a contradictory for collapse likely between 2150 and 2180 . You can get a free copy at

https://www.donellameadows.org/wp-content/userfiles/Limits-to-Growth-digital-scan-version.pdf

Natural man cannot change by himself only God can give a new heart desire and power as born again As as son of God, Christians , what we be when we shed these bodies of sin is not known . We are informed neither male nor female (no procreating) neither Jew nor Gentile a new creation .

Sounds like the design of the father of lies be one now. . . stop believing your own eyes.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

I don't argue beliefs or opinions because everyone is entitled to their beliefs and/or opinions.

 

[makesends]

Illicit sex is the culprit, whether homosexual or fornication among Gentile Christians.
The spirit of Jezebel reigns in Gentile churches. She is queen still in these fellowships throughout the world.
But God will handle it. He has sent a STRONG delusion that they, Constantinian Gentile Christians will believe not one, but many lies. The world must increase and the Holy Spirit of power decreases.

Why specify Gentile? There are no Jews in the United Methodist denomination? Are Jews better than Gentiles?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Why specify Gentile? There are no Jews in the United Methodist denomination? Are Jews better than Gentiles?

Better? Advantage-wise, yes, according to an apostle named "Saul."

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. Rom. 3:1–2.

Does this offend you?

How about God's attitude, or should I say, mind towards Gentiles (non-Jews.)


1 O clap your hands, all ye people;
Shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
2 For the LORD most high is terrible;
He is a great King over all the earth.
3 He shall subdue the people under us,
And the nations under our feet.
4 He shall choose our inheritance for us,
The excellency of Jacob whom he loved. Selah.
Ps 47:1–4.

Does this offend you?

 

[makesends]

makesends said:
Why specify Gentile? There are no Jews in the United Methodist denomination? Are Jews better than Gentiles?

Better? Advantage-wise, yes, according to an apostle named "Saul."

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. Rom. 3:1–2.

Does this offend you?

How about God's attitude, or should I say, mind towards Gentiles (non-Jews.)


1 O clap your hands, all ye people;
Shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
2 For the LORD most high is terrible;
He is a great King over all the earth.
3 He shall subdue the people under us,
And the nations under our feet.
4 He shall choose our inheritance for us,
The excellency of Jacob whom he loved. Selah.
Ps 47:1–4.

Does this offend you?

You have not answered the question. I'm not asking about advantage-wise. I'm plenty aware of what Saul said. He wasn't even mocking when he said it, unlike some. Strange that you would find it necessary to shift the goalposts to 'your advantage', instead of answering the question.

What offends me is that you won't deal with the question. Your answer is like the JW or others, who think their wisdom is the foundation of worthy thinking so they ask leading questions to lead you into all truth or something.

Not all are Israel that are of Israel.

 

[jeremiah1five]

makesends said:
Why specify Gentile? There are no Jews in the United Methodist denomination? Are Jews better than Gentiles?

You have not answered the question. I'm not asking about advantage-wise. I'm plenty aware of what Saul said. He wasn't even mocking when he said it, unlike some. Strange that you would find it necessary to shift the goalposts to 'your advantage', instead of answering the question.

What offends me is that you won't deal with the question. Your answer is like the JW or others, who think their wisdom is the foundation of worthy thinking so they ask leading questions to lead you into all truth or something.

Not all are Israel that are of Israel.

What does the UMC have to do with anything?
It's just another error-ridden Gentile church that has unmoored itself from true, biblical Hebrew roots.

 

[makesends]

What does the UMC have to do with anything?
It's just another error-ridden Gentile church that has unmoored itself from true, biblical Hebrew roots.

WHY stress that it is Gentile???

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

LOL. What makes a church "Christian"? So many other things even people in this forum think is "Christian" and is not. LGBTQARRESASDFVEAZERAEW is the least your concerns.

 

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[Mr GLee]

You have given your opinion but zero evidence that lgbt is unnatural because there is none. even so it doesn't matter. If a person is suffering from psychic pain and let''s it known to a mental health therapist/counselor the therapist should make an appropriate referral to an expert in the field.

When I say natural , it mean our sinful nature. As new creatures we have a new born again nature . I agree a expert or one experienced and a love for truth with a good success rate to counsel

I think it just another wiles of the evil one with false prophecy, oral traditions of dying mankind . . .not God's tradition as it is writen by the finger of God .. God's book of His law. No adding to it or taking away the authority of it, from it

In the new heaven and earth the bride of Christ the two will become one no longer male nor female Jew nor gentile (no procreating).Satan through gnosticism adds knowledge as false prophecy LGBTQ as if the time had come our new incorruptible body . The father of lies opposed the author of scripture in a attempt to deceive dying mankind the time is here for the free for all .One for all and all for one strengthening picking up speed of moral decay.

ln doing so taking away its loving commandments the gospel giving it over to Gnosticism (false prophecy) the father lie the king of lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after, never coming to belief faith ,

Preach the gospel in season and out .

 

[jeremiah1five]

WHY stress that it is Gentile???

I make distinction because God makes distinction and I do not want to say anything OPPOSite to God.
We must ALL see the same Jesus. We Must ALL say the SAME THING as God.
To do otherwise is to oppose Him.

 

[Mr GLee]

I make distinction because God makes distinction and I do not want to say anything OPPOSite to God.
We must ALL see the same Jesus. We Must ALL say the SAME THING as God.
To do otherwise is to oppose Him.

What kind of a distinction sinners and no sinners?

 

[makesends]

I make distinction because God makes distinction and I do not want to say anything OPPOSite to God.
We must ALL see the same Jesus. We Must ALL say the SAME THING as God.
To do otherwise is to oppose Him.

The Children of Israel were (OT) a distinct people, a chosen nation.

But there is in the Gospel (NT) no distinction between Jew and Greek. (Romans 10:12)

You already are saying something opposite to God.


Now, if all you mean is, in the context of "not all that is of Israel is Israel", that all Israel will be saved, thus CALLING 'Jew' the saved and calling the unsaved by the name 'Gentile', then I think I can follow your point, but that last would be your own construction. Scripture doesn't present the notion of 'Gentile' being the proper pejorative for those who are without Christ, as far as I know.