Imputed Sin vs Inherited Sin

[Arial]

Both are true and both apply to Adam.

God imputed Adam's sin to all mankind. That states the federal headship of Adam.

All humans inherit Adam's nature. When he sinned against God, sin became a part of Adam's nature: therefore it is a part of our nature too. So humanity carries the weight of both Adam's sin imputed to us, and the sin nature that Adam had. We are sinners like our father.

That being the case, how does this glorify the person and work of Jesus?

Let's hear it choir! Raise the roof with his praises!

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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Eve was first to taste the forbidden fruit; and when she did, nothing happened. She
went right on in the buff just as shameless as before. It wasn't till Adam tasted the
fruit that her sense of decency underwent a change and she set to work cobbling
together a make-shift apron to cover her pelvic area.

Now we can't say Eve inherited her altered sense of decency from Adam because
she was already fully constructed by means of the material taken from his body
prior to Adam tasting the fruit. So if Eve didn't get her new conscience from the
chemistry of the fruit, nor inherited it from Adam; then whence?

Mr. Serpent is the logical source, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2) He has the power of
death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the human
mind in ways not easily detected. (e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2)

FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people . . . in the womb or out of the
womb?

REPLY: Adam and his wife demonstrate the Serpent's ability to work on adults, but
I'm guessing he gets to most everyone else in the womb. (Ps 51:5 & Ps 58:3)

The thing is: the effects of the Serpent's power are so durable that they can only be
loosened by an act of God; which we find initiated by Christ's crucifixion. He has
made it possible for God to spare people retribution and put them on a path to
recovery.
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[makesends]

Eve was first to taste the forbidden fruit; and when she did, nothing happened. She
went right on in the buff just as shameless as before. It wasn't till Adam tasted the
fruit that her sense of decency underwent a change and she set to work cobbling
together a make-shift apron to cover her pelvic area.

Scripture doesn't say that nothing happened when Eve went first, and it doesn't say she went right on in the buff just as shameless as before. It would seem reasonable to assume so, but it is not for sure. Don't build doctrine on it. You can build doctrine on Adam's federal headship, because Scripture does speak to that. When the Bible says, "Then were their eyes opened", we have the whole day to wonder about, as God says. "—on that day you will surely die." The "then" could just as easily mean 'subsequent to taking the fruit', as it could mean, 'as a result of taking the fruit', as it could mean, 'after Adam took of it'. We are inferring to go farther than what it does say.

 

[Eleanor]

Both are true and both apply to Adam.

However, sin is not inherited (Eze 18:20), Adam's nature is inherited (Eph 2:3). . .sin is imputed (Ro 5:17).

God imputed Adam's sin to all mankind. That states the federal headship of Adam.

All humans inherit Adam's nature. When he sinned against God, sin became a part of Adam's nature: therefore it is a part of our nature too. So humanity carries the weight of both Adam's sin imputed to us, and the sin nature that Adam had. We are sinners like our father.

That being the case, how does this glorify the person and work of Jesus?

It glorifies the love/mercy of God in the redeemed and the justice of God in the damned.

Let's hear it choir! Raise the roof with his praises!

How unsearchable are his judgments,
and his ways beyond finding out!
Who is wise enough that he should instruct God? (Isa 40:13)
And who has given to God that God should owe him? (Job 41:11)

(Ro 11:33-36)

 

[Odë:hgöd]

—on that day you will surely die."

There's more to death than meets the eye.

Adam was created with immortality. He lost perpetual youth and became
susceptible to old age when he tasted the forbidden fruit. Adam held up against
the aging process for quite a while 'cause he was so healthy to begin with, but it
eventually took him down just as it will eventually take you and I down if we
somehow manage to survive long enough to make it to our senior years.

● Rom 5:12 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and in this way death came
to all men.
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[Arial]

Adam was created with immortality.

If he was created with immortality, then nothing would cause him to die, not even sin. Only the fruit of the Tree of Life would keep Adam and Eve from dying and they lost access to it because the sentence for their sin against God was death.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

If he was created with immortality, then nothing would cause him to die, not even sin.

Immortality is often mistaken for eternal life. The two are not the same.

Eternal life is the life of God (1John 1:1-2 and as such cannot be tempted by
sin (Jas 1:13). But immortality is vulnerable to temptation if it isn't paired
with eternal life. (John 10:28)

The thing is: Adam was created with immortality, but he was not created with
eternal life. Because he lacked eternal life, Adam was subject to Rom 6:23 which
says: "the wages of sin is death"
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[Arial]

Immortality is often mistaken for eternal life. The two are not the same.

I do not think they are the same. If something is immortal it is unable to die. If it is mortal, it is able to die. At the resurrection, we are raised immortal and incorruptible. It is corruption that causes death.

 

[makesends]

There's more to death than meets the eye.

Adam was created with immortality. He lost perpetual youth and became
susceptible to old age when he tasted the forbidden fruit. Adam held up against
the aging process for quite a while 'cause he was so healthy to begin with, but it
eventually took him down just as it will eventually take you and I down if we
somehow manage to survive long enough to make it to our senior years.

● Rom 5:12 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and in this way death came
to all men.
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Not to disagree, but what's that to do with the subject? Or how does it respond to what I was saying?

 

[fastfredy0]

God imputed Adam's sin to all mankind. That states the federal headship of Adam.

That being the case, how does this glorify the person and work of Jesus?

Romans 9:22 What if God, although willing to show His [terrible] wrath and to make His power known, has tolerated with great patience the objects of His wrath [which are] prepared for destruction? 23 And what if He has done so to make known the riches of His glory to the objects of His mercy, which He has prepared beforehand for glory

... the only being with intrinsic worth is God and Jesus is God. God's purpose is to glorify Himself. God cannot so properly be said to make the creature his end, as himself. For the creature is not as yet considered as existing. Edwards, Jonathan
To glorify Himself He chose to:

1. create a hypostatic union with man via Jesus
2. He condemned all mankind via imputation of Adam's sin Romans 11:32 "For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all." Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked [according to their role] for the day of evil.
   
3. God decreed that Christ's body would consist of those He would save which is an analogy to point out the importance of His sheep
4. He chose from all mankind who would be saved so as to not share His glory. John 15:5 "He is the vine, we are the branches ... we have no self worth. We exist for Him to glorify Him Isaiah 43:7 Everyone who is called by My Name, Whom I have created for My glory
   
5. He chose to glorify His sheep to an infinite extent. John 14:20 "I in you, and you in me" ... John 14:20 is further elaborated in John 17:23-24 where Jesus prays for his disciples to be made perfect in one, with him and the Father dwelling in them

...not that I know what I am talking about. His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.

 

[makesends]

Romans 9:22 What if God, although willing to show His [terrible] wrath and to make His power known, has tolerated with great patience the objects of His wrath [which are] prepared for destruction? 23 And what if He has done so to make known the riches of His glory to the objects of His mercy, which He has prepared beforehand for glory

... the only being with intrinsic worth is God and Jesus is God. God's purpose is to glorify Himself. God cannot so properly be said to make the creature his end, as himself. For the creature is not as yet considered as existing. Edwards, Jonathan
To glorify Himself He chose to:

1. create a hypostatic union with man via Jesus
2. He condemned all mankind via imputation of Adam's sin Romans 11:32 "For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all." Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked [according to their role] for the day of evil.
3. God decreed that Christ's body would consist of those He would save which is an analogy to point out the importance of His sheep
4. He chose from all mankind who would be saved so as to not share His glory. John 15:5 "He is the vine, we are the branches ... we have no self worth. We exist for Him to glorify Him Isaiah 43:7 Everyone who is called by My Name, Whom I have created for My glory
5. He chose to glorify His sheep to an infinite extent. John 14:20 "I in you, and you in me" ... John 14:20 is further elaborated in John 17:23-24 where Jesus prays for his disciples to be made perfect in one, with him and the Father dwelling in them

...not that I know what I am talking about. His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.

"...not that I know what I am talking about. His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts." Well, true enough —that goes for all of us— but there is such a thing as reason, which produces the notion that he had all the above in mind 'before' making us —that is, certainly he didn't think of it only AFTER he made us— He made us for his own glory.

 

[fastfredy0]

— but there is such a thing as reason

God's actions have no causation so it would be difficult to use "reason" to explain what He does to some degree as we don't know what "makes Him tick" exactly. Seems to me God has to "dumb things down" considerably so we "sort of" get the idea. That being said, it would be reasonable that I barely know what I am talking about.

 

[fastfredy0]

Hmmm .... I always get more LIKES when I admit I don't know what I am talking about ...

 

[Odë:hgöd]

If something is immortal it is unable to die.

Immortality is greatly overrated and people expect way too much from it. It can
protect your body from dying of natural causes like old age and disease yes; but I
doubt it can protect your body from dying of other causes like crime and serious
accidents like falling into one of those wood chipping machines that grind yard
debris into pulp. In order to have total immortality you'd need a body made of
some sort of indestructible material.

Now maybe that's what 1Cor 15:49-54 is talking about, I don't know, but if it is
then I'd have to say that would be a very desirable upgrade.
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[Arial]

Immortality is greatly overrated and people expect way too much from it. It can
protect your body from dying of natural causes like old age and disease yes; but I
doubt it can protect your body from dying of other causes like crime and serious
accidents like falling into one of those wood chipping machines that grind yard
debris into pulp. In order to have total immortality you'd need a body made of
some sort of indestructible material.

Now maybe that's what 1Cor 15:49-54 is talking about, I don't know, but if it is
then I'd have to say that would be a very desirable upgrade.
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immortal​

1 of 2

adjective​

im·mor·tal (ˌ)i-ˈmȯr-tᵊl

Synonyms of immortal
1
: exempt from death
the immortal gods


2
: exempt from oblivion : imperishable
immortal fame

You can't just make up a definition of a word so it will fit your theory.

 

[Eleanor]

Immortality is greatly overrated and people expect way too much from it. It can
protect your body from dying of natural causes like old age and disease yes; but I
doubt it can protect your body from dying of other causes like crime and serious
accidents like falling into one of those wood chipping machines that grind yard
debris into pulp. In order to have total immortality you'd need a body made of
some sort of indestructible material.

Now maybe that's what 1Cor 15:49-54 is talking about, I don't know, but if it is
then I'd have to say that would be a very desirable upgrade.

1 Co 15 is talking about much more. . .a spiritual (sinless), physical (flesh and bone) immortal body as Jesus had at his resurrection, which cannot die from any cause.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

the immortal gods

An excellent example of an immortal god is located at Dan 7:9 where it's said the
one seated on the throne has exceedingly white hair; which tells me that one has
been in existence a very long time and has yet to die of old age.
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[Arial]

An excellent example of an immortal god is located at Dan 7:9 where it's said the
one seated on the throne has exceedingly white hair; which tells me that one has
been in existence a very long time and has yet to die of old age.
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Dan 7:9


“As I looked, thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took his seat; his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames; its wheels were burning fire.

Don't you know who the Ancient of Days is? And there are no gods, only one true and living God.

I don't know what your game is but none of what you have posted has anything to do with the OP, so get back on track.