Image of the Beast, the Trump Catholic Cabinet.

[Hobie]

Well, looks like we are coming to the 'Image' of the Beast as Trump is filling his administration with not just Catholics, but some much more intense if not fervent Catholics changing the Republican Party.

"The Catholics in Trump's administration could take GOP in whole new direction
The president-elect has nominated at least a dozen Catholics to top positions.

Trump, who was raised as a Presbyterian but now considers himself non-denominational, has nominated at least a dozen Catholics to top positions in his administration, including his own vice president JD Vance, a Catholic convert, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., his pick for Health and Human Services Secretary. Their faith could play a direct role in shaping public policy, from pro-union policies and new tariffs to expanding the child tax credit and more tightly regulating the food and drug industries and also help carve a new path forward for the Republican Party..

In interviews, several conservative practicing Catholic leaders said they see a close alignment between many of Trump's second-term policy priorities and a conservative read of Catholic social teaching, which goes far beyond abortion. It's also focused on promoting marriage and having children, giving parents wide discretion on everything from school content to health care and empowering non-governmental institutions like churches and nonprofit organizations for social support.

"No one's walking into the administration ready to mount a crusade or anything,' said Rachel Bovard, vice president of programs at the Conservative Partnership Institute, a Trump-aligned think tank. But 'there's a very specific sort of Catholic paradigm that you may begin to see.'

It comes after decades of influence of a more individualistic evangelical Protestantism on the Republican Party that, among other things, strongly embraced individual liberty and free market capitalism.

In his nearly decade of political prominence, Trump has already dramatically reshaped the GOP, and it's clear that the Republican Party's future likely wont be found in Ronald Reagan's three-legged stool of conservatism, which was fiscally conservative, socially conservative and hawkish.

Where Republicans have long been skeptical of government intervention, some in the party increasingly see the government as a tool to reshape social policy...." https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/15/conservative-catholics-second-trump-administration-000917

"President-elect Donald Trump may be known for his close relationship with evangelical Christians, but it's Catholics who figure prominently on the list of picks he's made so far for high-profile positions in his administration.

A review by the Deseret News found that at least nine of the 24 people tapped so far to fill top advisory roles come from a Catholic background, including Vice President-elect JD Vance and Trump's nominee for secretary of state, Marco Rubio.

Catholic voters helped Trump secure a second term in the White House.

Multiple polls have shown that Trump gained Catholic support from 2020 to 2024, including in the swing state of North Carolina.

Exit polls from The Washington Post showed that Trump's share of the Catholic vote jumped nine percentage points from 2020 to 2024, from 47% to 56%, as the Deseret News previously reported.

Using its VoteCast survey, The Associated Press identified a smaller but still significant jump in support for Trump among Catholics and reported that Catholics were one of few religious voting blocs to make a notable shift toward either party in 2024...." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...lates-to-the-2024-faith-vote/ar-AA1uggzV

 

[Hobie]

Here is more insight into Trump's Vice Presidential pick, JD Vance...

"Since his nomination as the Republican candidate for vice president, focus has intensified on J.D. Vance's religious beliefs and how they connect to his politics.

Vance is a convert to Catholicism and seems to have the same policy positions that many American Catholic conservatives hold: opposition to abortion, support for the traditional family, skepticism regarding liberal immigration policies and efforts to combat climate change, and advocacy of economic tariffs.

Some news reports have also referenced Vance?s apparent association with Catholic Integralism, although Vance himself has not addressed the issue publicly.

So, now might be a good time to ask: What is Catholic Integralism?

What is Catholic Integralism?
The basic position of Catholic Integralism is that there are two areas of human life: the spiritual and the temporal, or worldly. Catholic Integralists argue that the spiritual and temporal should be integrated ? with the spiritual being the dominant partner. This means that religious values, specifically Christian ones, should guide government policies.

Catholic Integralists disagree about how to achieve this integration between the spiritual and temporal. Some argue that Christians, particularly Catholics, should have advisory roles in government and lead by example. Other Catholic Integralists want a more comprehensive approach to organizing society along Christian principles.

Catholic Integralists share an opposition to liberalism. Generally, liberalism is understood as a political philosophy that supports limits on the government's authority and constitutional protections for the rights of individuals and minorities. But Catholic Integralists argue that liberalism is incapable of establishing deep forms of human community because it values individualism and liberty above all things.

The irony, from the Catholic Integralist perspective, is that liberalism is not really that liberal. Instead, liberalism demands and enforces adherence to a certain set of values, like tolerance and pluralism, that prevents creating a social order in which human beings can realize a larger, God-given meaning for their lives.

Catholic critiques
There are strong criticisms of Catholic Integralism coming from both within the Catholic church and beyond.

The Vatican II document, 'Dignitatis Humanae,' affirms that the state should protect religious liberty for all, not only Catholics. This is a position that some Catholic Integralists would find problematic.

Other critics have argued that Catholic Integralism is 'unreasonable' and unworkable because society needs to rely on the cooperation of individuals who inevitably have different ideas and values."... What is Catholic Integralism?


"Republican vice presidential nominee J.D. Vance is one of the most overtly religious major politicians in America.

Vance has written extensively about his life in faith, both in a mega-selling memoir and in a long essay that describes how a drug-using teenager with anger problems, family problems, school problems, and doubts about God became an accomplished, successful family man excited about being a Catholic.

But nowadays, he?s also the most questioned of religious politicians, as pro-lifers ask if he?s still one of them.

Where did he come from in faith? And how did he get where he is now?

Vance, who comes from a long line of culturally Protestant Scots-Irish Americans from Appalachia, was baptized Catholic in August 2019.

Below are 13 items about his meandering journey to Rome and the aftermath, drawn largely from his 3-million-copy-selling 2016 memoir 'Hillbilly Elegy' and a 6,777-word essay he wrote about his conversion for the Easter 2020 issue of The Lamp, a Catholic magazine. .." 13 things to know about J.D. Vance’s Catholic journey

 

[Hobie]

With the turmoil we see now in America we now can see how the path for the emergence of the image of the beast is being laid out. So we need to go and look at more closely at what this entails and how it acts in terms of the end times. So what does Revelation mean by the expression “the image of the beast”? Lets look in Rev 13 to begin..

Revelation 13:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:11-15 King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

This shows the beast of Revelation and depicts the attempt of an unholy trinity to counteract God’s goal for the plan of salvation. Which essentially is the restoration of 'image' of God in human beings as it was at Creation. We see this evil entity try to subvert Gods plan in the last days by creating the image of the beast on Earth. The image of the beast is an end time entity, comprised of a community of people who reflect the character of the dragon, and has religious-economic-political power to impose false worship on Earth. We see the corruption it brings which is the end time Babylon the Great of Revelation 17-18, and the image of the beast is best identified with this entity.

The image of the beast is basically an institution and procedures which will duplicate the form and behavior of the beast power in Revelation 13. It will convince many that its words and purpose are true despite not being in full harmony with Scripture and will persuade the people of the earth, believers and non-believers, to follow the religious-political power which is the beast. The lamblike beast will also begin speaking like a dragon and exercising the power of the beast, showing that it will become as intolerant especially in setting aside of laws and foundational liberties. This results in people receiving the mark of the beast which is by following it in its false practices of worship, which is really worship of the Beast, and corruption of Gods Holy Day of worship. Lets look at the Revelation 14...

Revelation 14:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Worshiping on Sunday is a direct way of worshiping the Beast, and with the new administration and its Catholic contingency leading it, it is a complete change of the Protestant background which has shaped America's governance since its beginning, and now opens the door to the rise of the Image of the Beast, which was Papal Rome with its Catholic judicial institution which brought us the Inquisition and persecution of human rights and destruction of religious tolerance.

 

[Mr GLee]

Vance good choice He would seem to be in the word.

The Catholic badge of honor "Prolife". A good honor but not in respect to one denomination over another. Its not flesh and blood we do wrestle against but do against high places of governments of dying mankind.

Popes, queen a mother named Mary of heaven who alone received the fullness of grace the whole cost of salvation, while the rest of the world a un-known amount of grace they suffer wonder to this day .Seeking the dead for the living (patron saints ) another kind of gospel or teaching master.

Matthew 23King James Version Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

In that way God choses his instruments . Pray for government reformation . Not for separation from Church . . the losing lefties

 

[TMSO]

With the turmoil we see now in America we now can see how the path for the emergence of the image of the beast is being laid out. So we need to go and look at more closely at what this entails and how it acts in terms of the end times. So what does Revelation mean by the expression “the image of the beast”? Lets look in Rev 13 to begin..

Revelation 13:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:11-15 King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

This shows the beast of Revelation and depicts the attempt of an unholy trinity to counteract God’s goal for the plan of salvation. Which essentially is the restoration of 'image' of God in human beings as it was at Creation. We see this evil entity try to subvert Gods plan in the last days by creating the image of the beast on Earth. The image of the beast is an end time entity, comprised of a community of people who reflect the character of the dragon, and has religious-economic-political power to impose false worship on Earth. We see the corruption it brings which is the end time Babylon the Great of Revelation 17-18, and the image of the beast is best identified with this entity.

The image of the beast is basically an institution and procedures which will duplicate the form and behavior of the beast power in Revelation 13. It will convince many that its words and purpose are true despite not being in full harmony with Scripture and will persuade the people of the earth, believers and non-believers, to follow the religious-political power which is the beast. The lamblike beast will also begin speaking like a dragon and exercising the power of the beast, showing that it will become as intolerant especially in setting aside of laws and foundational liberties. This results in people receiving the mark of the beast which is by following it in its false practices of worship, which is really worship of the Beast, and corruption of Gods Holy Day of worship. Lets look at the Revelation 14...

Revelation 14:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Worshiping on Sunday is a direct way of worshiping the Beast, and with the new administration and its Catholic contingency leading it, it is a complete change of the Protestant background which has shaped America's governance since its beginning, and now opens the door to the rise of the Image of the Beast, which was Papal Rome with its Catholic judicial institution which brought us the Inquisition and persecution of human rights and destruction of religious tolerance.

Consider the United States in light of the end times. There is an expectation for some, of a revival of the Roman Empire (the iron and clay of the feet and toes.) Consider the United States is an empire (and considered as such by some/many other countries, especially Japan), it has/had the same government as the Roman Empire (a Republic), and the people here aren't meshing well at all. Also, there is the prophecy made to George Washington by the Indian chief who said that he would be the leader of a great empire. This is given solely as a talking point, not as something I believe.

 

[EarlyActs]

With the turmoil we see now in America we now can see how the path for the emergence of the image of the beast is being laid out. So we need to go and look at more closely at what this entails and how it acts in terms of the end times. So what does Revelation mean by the expression “the image of the beast”? Lets look in Rev 13 to begin..

Revelation 13:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:11-15 King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

This shows the beast of Revelation and depicts the attempt of an unholy trinity to counteract God’s goal for the plan of salvation. Which essentially is the restoration of 'image' of God in human beings as it was at Creation. We see this evil entity try to subvert Gods plan in the last days by creating the image of the beast on Earth. The image of the beast is an end time entity, comprised of a community of people who reflect the character of the dragon, and has religious-economic-political power to impose false worship on Earth. We see the corruption it brings which is the end time Babylon the Great of Revelation 17-18, and the image of the beast is best identified with this entity.

The image of the beast is basically an institution and procedures which will duplicate the form and behavior of the beast power in Revelation 13. It will convince many that its words and purpose are true despite not being in full harmony with Scripture and will persuade the people of the earth, believers and non-believers, to follow the religious-political power which is the beast. The lamblike beast will also begin speaking like a dragon and exercising the power of the beast, showing that it will become as intolerant especially in setting aside of laws and foundational liberties. This results in people receiving the mark of the beast which is by following it in its false practices of worship, which is really worship of the Beast, and corruption of Gods Holy Day of worship. Lets look at the Revelation 14...

Revelation 14:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Worshiping on Sunday is a direct way of worshiping the Beast, and with the new administration and its Catholic contingency leading it, it is a complete change of the Protestant background which has shaped America's governance since its beginning, and now opens the door to the rise of the Image of the Beast, which was Papal Rome with its Catholic judicial institution which brought us the Inquisition and persecution of human rights and destruction of religious tolerance.

The political info is helpful, but please spare us the 'i know who the beast is' blather.

 

[EarlyActs]

With the turmoil we see now in America we now can see how the path for the emergence of the image of the beast is being laid out. So we need to go and look at more closely at what this entails and how it acts in terms of the end times. So what does Revelation mean by the expression “the image of the beast”? Lets look in Rev 13 to begin..

Revelation 13:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:11-15 King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

This shows the beast of Revelation and depicts the attempt of an unholy trinity to counteract God’s goal for the plan of salvation. Which essentially is the restoration of 'image' of God in human beings as it was at Creation. We see this evil entity try to subvert Gods plan in the last days by creating the image of the beast on Earth. The image of the beast is an end time entity, comprised of a community of people who reflect the character of the dragon, and has religious-economic-political power to impose false worship on Earth. We see the corruption it brings which is the end time Babylon the Great of Revelation 17-18, and the image of the beast is best identified with this entity.

The image of the beast is basically an institution and procedures which will duplicate the form and behavior of the beast power in Revelation 13. It will convince many that its words and purpose are true despite not being in full harmony with Scripture and will persuade the people of the earth, believers and non-believers, to follow the religious-political power which is the beast. The lamblike beast will also begin speaking like a dragon and exercising the power of the beast, showing that it will become as intolerant especially in setting aside of laws and foundational liberties. This results in people receiving the mark of the beast which is by following it in its false practices of worship, which is really worship of the Beast, and corruption of Gods Holy Day of worship. Lets look at the Revelation 14...

Revelation 14:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Worshiping on Sunday is a direct way of worshiping the Beast, and with the new administration and its Catholic contingency leading it, it is a complete change of the Protestant background which has shaped America's governance since its beginning, and now opens the door to the rise of the Image of the Beast, which was Papal Rome with its Catholic judicial institution which brought us the Inquisition and persecution of human rights and destruction of religious tolerance.

As if Obiden and the NWO folks were not beast!

 

[EarlyActs]

The political officials have to be shrewd enough to know that evangelicals truly are limited government, and don't want to be part of a party. They want self-rule. The next best choice is the Catholics.

 

[Mr GLee]

Consider the United States in light of the end times. There is an expectation for some, of a revival of the Roman Empire (the iron and clay of the feet and toes.) Consider the United States is an empire (and considered as such by some/many other countries, especially Japan), it has/had the same government as the Roman Empire (a Republic), and the people here aren't meshing well at all. Also, there is the prophecy made to George Washington by the Indian chief who said that he would be the leader of a great empire. This is given solely as a talking point, not as something I believe.

I would be careful with signs to wonder after. God is no longer adding to prophecy

No signs were given to wonder after. That seems to define Paganism "out of sight out of mind" God calls fools . They must seek after a sign before they believe.

Like Nicodemus a sign and wonder seeker a Pharisee. They made Jesus into a circus seal, perform a miracle, work some magic then when we see with our own eyes we will believe for 1\2 a second.

Jesus revealed to him the greatest possible miracle "born again eternal life" . then lovingly commanded him to "Marvel" not . Wondering marveling is not believing as a anchor to one's soul.

Satan the king of lying signs to wonder after walk by .

2 Corithians 5:EXB We ·live [walk] by ·what we believe [faith], not by ·what we can see [sight].

Faith = Power

Sight = powerless

 

[TMSO]

I would be careful with signs to wonder after. God is no longer adding to prophecy

No signs were given to wonder after. That seems to define Paganism "out of sight out of mind" God calls fools . They must seek after a sign before they believe.

Like Nicodemus a sign and wonder seeker a Pharisee. They made Jesus into a circus seal, perform a miracle, work some magic then when we see with our own eyes we will believe for 1\2 a second.

Jesus revealed to him the greatest possible miracle "born again eternal life" . then lovingly commanded him to "Marvel" not . Wondering marveling is not believing as a anchor to one's soul.

Satan the king of lying signs to wonder after walk by .

2 Corithians 5:EXB We ·live [walk] by ·what we believe [faith], not by ·what we can see [sight].

Faith = Power

Sight = powerless

I am saying that we should be watching, and these events seem to be coming more and more in line with what the Bible says will happen. We should be paying closer attention to what is going on, and use this to spur us on to working harder for God. Once it all ends, that is it... for everyone. We cannot know the time, but we can recognize the coming season.

The closest I get to a mental exercise on signs and such is looking at where technology is going. AI is starting to reason. It is like humanity is trying to create "life" itself. We have drones popping up of all kinds of shapes, sizes, etc. Huge hailstones mixed with fire, could those be the reentry of satellites, or as God probably sees it, space junk? God clearing His skies of our junk. (And there is A LOT of junk out there, especially with Starlink.)

All that to say that I don't think there is much longer before Jesus returns and the world ends.

 

[Mr GLee]

I am saying that we should be watching, and these events seem to be coming more and more in line with what the Bible says will happen. We should be paying closer attention to what is going on, and use this to spur us on to working harder for God. Once it all ends, that is it... for everyone. We cannot know the time, but we can recognize the coming season.

The closest I get to a mental exercise on signs and such is looking at where technology is going. AI is starting to reason. It is like humanity is trying to create "life" itself. We have drones popping up of all kinds of shapes, sizes, etc. Huge hailstones mixed with fire, could those be the reentry of satellites, or as God probably sees it, space junk? God clearing His skies of our junk. (And there is A LOT of junk out there, especially with Starlink.)

All that to say that I don't think there is much longer before Jesus returns and the world ends.

Hi thanks for the reply.

I would think the Holy Father desires that his children walk or understand him by faith (the unseen eternal) Using the temporal historical together with the eternal to give the gospel understanding. Hid from natural unconverted mankind .

Christ has given us the mixing prescription or recipe needed to rightly divide parables (compare the things seen the temporal to the eternal not seen )

The mixing key that aids to rightly divide the parables giving the gospel (enriching understanding ). Not a salvation issue .The gospel is simply .God saves dying mankind.
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2 Corinthians 4:18King James Version18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

In Mathew 23 after declaring the abomination of desolation Kings in Israel temples made with human hands He prophesied. Behold, your house is left unto you desolate not will be .

The disciples in Mathew 24 misunderstood and asked for a sign before they would believe . No sign was given. Simply describing history that repeats its self. Wars, rumors, new births, earthquakes, hail storms .The father revealed no sign will be given

Remember they were coming from a false religion like that of Saul the Christian murderer before converted. They making Jesu into a circus seal demanded a sign before one would believe.

Previously of Pharisees with Sadducees they sought after a sign before they would believe. revealing thier Pagan tradition. Out of sight out of mind (fools )

John 2:23 EXP When Jesus was in Jerusalem for the Passover Feast [see 2:13], many people ·believed [put their faith; trusted] in ·him [L his name] because they saw the ·miracles [L signs; 2:11] he did [4:48; Mark 8:11–13].

John 4:48 Expanded Bible Jesus said to him, “·You people must see signs and miracles before you will believe in me [L Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe; 2:23–25; 6:26].”

The key would seen to be follow not lead. It can be seen in the parable below. Signs as metaphors in the parable follow (the invisible witness). Given a new tongue to preach by which Christ can teach the gospel .

Christ in us gives us the sword of the Spirit that makes the poison of the father of lies (false doctrines as commandments of dying mankind . Those oral traditons that make the word of God without faith will be reveled for what they are.

Many literalize that a dies drinking poison .No such thing as sign gift .

Satan the King of lies signs to wonder, wonder, wonder marvel after as if true prophecy .. . working overtime today .

Becarefull how we hear who we say we do .There are many antichrists' false teachers, teaching commandments of dying mankind

Mark 16:15-20 King James And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (the power of God that brings salvation ) to every creature .He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen

 

[Mr GLee]

I would offer.

The focus I believe is not so much on the tradition of one sect that differs from one another .Some denominations like Catholic use a law of the fathers venerable dying mankind like the Pharisees with Sadducees they wore it more proudly. . but its the principle. There are today many false apostles sent with false prophecy as oral traditons of dying mankind.

Antichrists, another teaching authority other than sola scriptura.

God can use all the sects to bring glory. Catholic have a strong perspective on flesh. the babies , the Amish reminders green environment hard work .

The prayer of humbling we can offer to strengthen the Trump.

 

[CrowCross]

I am saying that we should be watching, and these events seem to be coming more and more in line with what the Bible says will happen. We should be paying closer attention to what is going on, and use this to spur us on to working harder for God. Once it all ends, that is it... for everyone. We cannot know the time, but we can recognize the coming season.

The closest I get to a mental exercise on signs and such is looking at where technology is going. AI is starting to reason. It is like humanity is trying to create "life" itself. We have drones popping up of all kinds of shapes, sizes, etc. Huge hailstones mixed with fire, could those be the reentry of satellites, or as God probably sees it, space junk? God clearing His skies of our junk. (And there is A LOT of junk out there, especially with Starlink.)

All that to say that I don't think there is much longer before Jesus returns and the world ends.

I agree. We should be looking for the signs of Christ return. The bible lays them out. They were written for a purpose.

When we look at current technology, technology that we didn't have several years ago and what this technology can do and currently is doing it isn't hard to align it with what is mentioned in the book of Revelation.

 

[Mr GLee]

I agree. We should be looking for the signs of Christ return. The bible lays them out. They were written for a purpose.

When we look at current technology, technology that we didn't have several years ago and what this technology can do and currently is doing it isn't hard to align it with what is mentioned in the book of Revelation.

The word Mark used 8 times Sign 2 times in Revelation.

Satan not subject to salvation who has no spiritual understanding and would make them one and same .therefore looking to the things seen the temporal historical .no eternal vision

The foundation of Paganism .Out of sight out of mind .God calls fools

Where would a person find the information to the signs we are to wonder after rather than following prophecy ?

 

[Eleanor]

Well, looks like we are coming to the 'Image' of the Beast as Trump is filling his administration with not just Catholics, but some much more intense if not fervent Catholics changing the Republican Party.
"The Catholics in Trump's administration could take GOP in whole new direction
The president-elect has nominated at least a dozen Catholics to top positions.
Trump, who was raised as a Presbyterian but now considers himself non-denominational, has nominated at least a dozen Catholics to top positions in his administration, including his own vice president JD Vance, a Catholic convert, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., his pick for Health and Human Services Secretary. Their faith could play a direct role in shaping public policy, from pro-union policies and new tariffs to expanding the child tax credit and more tightly regulating the food and drug industries and also help carve a new path forward for the Republican Party..

In interviews, several conservative practicing Catholic leaders said they see a close alignment between many of Trump's second-term policy priorities and a conservative read of Catholic social teaching, which goes far beyond abortion. It's also focused on promoting marriage and having children, giving parents wide discretion on everything from school content to health care and empowering non-governmental institutions like churches and nonprofit organizations for social support.

"No one's walking into the administration ready to mount a crusade or anything,' said Rachel Bovard, vice president of programs at the Conservative Partnership Institute, a Trump-aligned think tank. But 'there's a very specific sort of Catholic paradigm that you may begin to see.'

It comes after decades of influence of a more individualistic evangelical Protestantism on the Republican Party that, among other things, strongly embraced individual liberty and free market capitalism.

In his nearly decade of political prominence, Trump has already dramatically reshaped the GOP, and it's clear that the Republican Party's future likely wont be found in Ronald Reagan's three-legged stool of conservatism, which was fiscally conservative, socially conservative and hawkish.

Where Republicans have long been skeptical of government intervention, some in the party increasingly see the government as a tool to reshape social policy...." https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/15/conservative-catholics-second-trump-administration-000917

"President-elect Donald Trump may be known for his close relationship with evangelical Christians, but it's Catholics who figure prominently on the list of picks he's made so far for high-profile positions in his administration.

A review by the Deseret News found that at least nine of the 24 people tapped so far to fill top advisory roles come from a Catholic background, including Vice President-elect JD Vance and Trump's nominee for secretary of state, Marco Rubio.

Catholic voters helped Trump secure a second term in the White House.

Multiple polls have shown that Trump gained Catholic support from 2020 to 2024, including in the swing state of North Carolina.

Exit polls from The Washington Post showed that Trump's share of the Catholic vote jumped nine percentage points from 2020 to 2024, from 47% to 56%, as the Deseret News previously reported.

Using its VoteCast survey, The Associated Press identified a smaller but still significant jump in support for Trump among Catholics and reported that Catholics were one of few religious voting blocs to make a notable shift toward either party in 2024...." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...lates-to-the-2024-faith-vote/ar-AA1uggzV

In my experience of public life, there are a lot worse things than modern devout Catholics in administration.

They may not have their Christian theology completely correct, but they do have their moral theology and ethics correct.
In fact, they have the only moral theology.

 

[CrowCross]

The word Mark used 8 times Sign 2 times in Revelation.

Satan not subject to salvation who has no spiritual understanding and would make them one and same .therefore looking to the things seen the temporal historical .no eternal vision

The foundation of Paganism .Out of sight out of mind .God calls fools

Where would a person find the information to the signs we are to wonder after rather than following prophecy ?

Technology.

Gen 6

 

[TMSO]

I agree. We should be looking for the signs of Christ return. The bible lays them out. They were written for a purpose.

When we look at current technology, technology that we didn't have several years ago and what this technology can do and currently is doing it isn't hard to align it with what is mentioned in the book of Revelation.

I completely agree. Just look at where AI is headed.

 

[Mr GLee]

Technology.

Gen 6

The sin of Technology ?

Amish?

 

[CrowCross]

The sin of Technology ?

Like anything "technology" isn't a sin. It's how you use it.

Amish?

Do you know the Amish can't buy something on a sell phone?