How old is the earth?

[EarlyActs]

There are other section titles that have some verbs in them.

btw, if the KJV fails to have the implied time adverb (as you just pointed out), why do you complain about other translations as being awful?

 

[EarlyActs]

In 5:1, you can see the adverb starts v2. As far as I know, there is no difference. For some reason "good" translations, as you call them, failed to show the time-dependency.

 

[EarlyActs]

I hope someone will compare the two visual depictions and explain what the problem is, if any. Every handler of Gen 1 should have a visual depiction (storyboard) worked out.

 

[EarlyActs]

It's the first word of the book of Genesis (translated as "In the beginning") that is the title, not the whole verse.

Every day starts with evening (darkness), so you cannot have Day 1 starting with the creation of light.

Have you considered that your journal could be mistaken?

The other problem with your view is 'formless and void.' There are things associated with this that have backstory. It may have to do with the defeat of an evil force.

Then there is the verb for the Spirit hovering/brooding (it is used of brooding hens). They do that up to 21 days...

 

[ChristB4us]

The 2 prophets were taken up to God, as the transfiguration shows. That would be the presence of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

God is certainly with them but they are not in Heaven yet as Christ is the only way anyone can be brought to God the Father in Heaven.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

That prison was Abraham's bosom or Paradise which was a temporary holding place for O.T. saints as located beneath the earth according to Jesus in Luke 16:19-31 regarding the rich man and the beggar Lazarius and 1 Samuel 28th chapter confirming that location as beneath the earth.

Course, after His resurrection & ascension, He brought Paradise and all the inhabitants in it, to Heaven where the apostle John saw it for the Book of Revelation as testified by Paul in 2 Corinthians 12;1-5.

So basically, God is with those two prophets but they are not in Heaven yet.

The firmament is from our atmosphere up to the marker stars (those which visibly move). The ancient world did not use static stars except to mark zones. 'Shami' is about the markers/communicators.

But you need stars that do not move for ancient world to use them as well in marking the stars that did move.

 

[ChristB4us]

As part of preserving the invisible nature and majesty of God, the 'kavov' that were stretched out acts as a prevention to seeing Him. The aurora disappear; does that mean if you watch until after you will see God? No.

Seeing how this is about how God stretched out the heavens rather than about God or hiding Him from our view, then it is the heavens that is stretched out like a curtains.

 

[ChristB4us]

>The text’s local POV is retained.

The danger is how one can be subverted to that POV that is running contrary to the word of God. Only the Lord can deliver such a one.

 

[EarlyActs]

One of the things Christians may forget while reading Genesis is that it is referring to the surface--the crust and our atmosphere. This is why we may find that there are parts that are older, but on the key question of starlight for v1, I see no need to go further than the Milky Way as a source, which is a max of 100LY (we are near the 'center' so somewhere around half that is fine).

 

[EarlyActs]

Seeing how this is about how God stretched out the heavens rather than about God or hiding Him from our view, then it is the heavens that is stretched out like a curtains.

Please compare the two visual images.

 

[EarlyActs]

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

God is certainly with them but they are not in Heaven yet as Christ is the only way anyone can be brought to God the Father in Heaven.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

That prison was Abraham's bosom or Paradise which was a temporary holding place for O.T. saints as located beneath the earth according to Jesus in Luke 16:19-31 regarding the rich man and the beggar Lazarius and 1 Samuel 28th chapter confirming that location as beneath the earth.

Course, after His resurrection & ascension, He brought Paradise and all the inhabitants in it, to Heaven where the apostle John saw it for the Book of Revelation as testified by Paul in 2 Corinthians 12;1-5.

So basically, God is with those two prophets but they are not in Heaven yet.

But you need stars that do not move for ancient world to use them as well in marking the stars that did move.

When the transfiguration happened, they could not see anything for the brightness. That's heaven. We can see the other things, and this is so far off the topic, it needs to stop.

 

[EarlyActs]

The danger is how one can be subverted to that POV that is running contrary to the word of God. Only the Lord can deliver such a one.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about whether the narrative of Genesis by Adam had a point of view of a person out in a spaceship looking from a distance vs being on the ground.

Please compare the 2 visual images.

 

[EarlyActs]

2 Peter 3 considered the materials of earth to exist 'from of old' but not the recent creation or forming. The conflict with that cult was that creation and cataclysm were interruptions of earth; they couldn't accept that.

 

[EarlyActs]

Here's transliteration of astronomy terms in Gen 1:

(transliteration uses Roman lettering for Hebrew sounds; today the qbible was 404 so I had to use biblehub's interlinear, formatted vertical instead of horizontal.



1, in the beginning, God created the ‘shami‘ and the earth.



3, God said there should be ‘owr’.



8, God called the ‘laraqia’ ‘shami‘



9, God gathered waters under ‘shami’



14, God said there should be ‘mowrot’ in the ‘laraqia shami.’…



15, let them be ‘leotot’ for years, etc… and ‘limowrot’ in the ‘laraqia shami’



16, God made major ‘hammeowrot’ for day and night… And the ‘kavov’.



17, God set the ‘hammeowrot’ in the ‘laraqia shami.’



In v15, 'leotot' is a departure from ordinary astronomy. It is a sign or signal or communicator. The next usage is the one for Cain, a negative thing about the murder.

 

[EarlyActs]

Please show a problem with the 2 visuals in my video and I'll take it down. They are at :01 and :20.
01 is before Day 1
20 is Day 1

Sanford Young Local Creation Week at Youtube

 

[David1701]

There are other section titles that have some verbs in them.

btw, if the KJV fails to have the implied time adverb (as you just pointed out), why do you complain about other translations as being awful?

What are you talking about? I complained about one translation (the TEV), because you cited it and it is one of the worst translations in English.

I checked numerous translations; and there was not a single trustworthy one that has the construction (in Gen. 1:1) that you claim to be correct (the few that did have it were Liberal, RC or completely unsound for other reasons).

 

[David1701]

The other problem with your view is 'formless and void.' There are things associated with this that have backstory. It may have to do with the defeat of an evil force.

Then there is the verb for the Spirit hovering/brooding (it is used of brooding hens). They do that up to 21 days...

The Earth was unformed and unfilled (as yet) - no problem!

There was no evil force before the beginning of creation.

The Holy Spirit does not need to follow the brooding period of hens!

P.S. You know what? Anyone who keeps claiming that the main translations are all wrong, and he alone is correct, is not someone with whom I want to waste any more time. Goodbye.

 

[EarlyActs]

The Earth was unformed and unfilled (as yet) - no problem!

There was no evil force before the beginning of creation.

The Holy Spirit does not need to follow the brooding period of hens!

P.S. You know what? Anyone who keeps claiming that the main translations are all wrong, and he alone is correct, is not someone with whom I want to waste any more time. Goodbye.

Please be honest enough to say whether the two images match. It's really quite astonishing that there is so much resistance to learning that you wont' even do that.

In v16, the stars (kavov) are mentioned in a detached way because they would not be signs like the others that were seen by day. That's part of the reason we know they are not in the same category.

So why would God make something unformed for a day? I'm trying to be sensible here. There is no reason why it would not date back to the mass energy release which also made Centauri 4 light years away and which causes red-shifting each year.

Formless and void as in Jer 4 (the only other time they pair) is about destruction of evil Jerusalem. We don't know what was there before Day 1, because Day 1 is about this system. It is not about many other things that God might have been doing, dealing with angels, rebels, principalities and powers.

The model of the term brooding is the hen. Why use that term? Because the thing had been there for some time. If you don't follow the text then you should just say goodbye and invent your own Bible. Why is your preconceived view the correct one? Real research or mass repetition by people you 'like'?

I'm not aware of a mass claim that translations are wrong, but the dependent tense was not realized until 50 years ago, that I know of. There are too many examples to ignore. By referencing my Hebrew dept profs at Regent, I'm certainly not alone. You are.

 

[EarlyActs]

What are you talking about? I complained about one translation (the TEV), because you cited it and it is one of the worst translations in English.

I checked numerous translations; and there was not a single trustworthy one that has the construction (in Gen. 1:1) that you claim to be correct (the few that did have it were Liberal, RC or completely unsound for other reasons).

What are your credentials for calling it the worst? Do you have years in the languages?

DId you already decide something is trustworthy? The dependent adverbial clause is known widely.

 

[EarlyActs]

The danger is how one can be subverted to that POV that is running contrary to the word of God. Only the Lord can deliver such a one.

It actually is the POV of the speaker: he is on earth. He's not in a jet flying over the world.

 

[EarlyActs]

Why do you resist looking at the two images on commenting?