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How often will man’s flesh cooperate with God’s Spirit

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How often will man’s flesh cooperate with God’s Spirit, according to Paul .....

For the desire of the flesh is against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, in order to keep you from doing whatever you want. Gal 5:17.
 
Wellllll........

There are two answers to this question. The first begins with the understanding the flesh in question is not the same flesh God originally made. When God made human flesh He made it good and sinless. No one since Genesis 3:6-7 has good and sinless flesh. Everyone has not-good sinful flesh and the mind of flesh is hostile to God and it does not and CANNOT please God. The rest of sinful human flesh (the "heart," affect, volition, and conduct) possesses the same attributes. Therefore, as the op cites using Gal. 5:17, the flesh does NOT "cooperate" with God (or His Spirit). Applying Galatians 5:17 beyond it's intended, stated context is inappropriate. The verse cannot be made to compromise God's sovereignty. The second answer, as I have just alluded, begins with the sovereign and almighty might of God, His mind, His will, His purpose, His action. In the context of God's omni-attributes ALL flesh, sinful or not "cooperates" with God simply because the only purpose existing in the Creator's creation is the one the Creator gave it. Sinful flesh may think it has its own purpose(s) but it doesn't. Any and all other purposes (real or imagined) are always and subordinate to God's. In that sense, all flesh does cooperate with God simply because it can do nothing else. All flesh, one way or another, ends at the same destination: the Judgment throne of God (Heb. 9:27). The outcome of that occasion is binary but both ends glorify God and God alone.
 
How often will man’s flesh cooperate with God’s Spirit, according to Paul .....

For the desire of the flesh is against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, in order to keep you from doing whatever you want. Gal 5:17.
The question that first comes to my mind, from, "For the desire of the flesh is against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, in order to keep you from doing whatever you want. Gal 5:17, is, is it the Spirit who does this in order to keep you from doing whatever you want, or the flesh that is doing this in order to keep you from doing what you want?

The second question is WHY?

Other versions render it differently:

NIV For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.

CEV The Spirit and your desires are enemies of each other. They are always fighting each other and keeping you from doing what you feel you should.

ICB Our sinful selves want what is against the Spirit. The Spirit wants what is against our sinful selves. The two are against each other. So you must not do just what you please.

Haha this is fun! If anything, this should be a lesson in the problems of making valid translations! I bet in EVERY case, the biases of the translators shows up here.
 
Wellllll........

There are two answers to this question. The first begins with the understanding the flesh in question is not the same flesh God originally made. When God made human flesh He made it good and sinless. No one since Genesis 3:6-7 has good and sinless flesh. Everyone has not-good sinful flesh and the mind of flesh is hostile to God and it does not and CANNOT please God. The rest of sinful human flesh (the "heart," affect, volition, and conduct) possesses the same attributes. Therefore, as the op cites using Gal. 5:17, the flesh does NOT "cooperate" with God (or His Spirit). Applying Galatians 5:17 beyond it's intended, stated context is inappropriate. The verse cannot be made to compromise God's sovereignty. The second answer, as I have just alluded, begins with the sovereign and almighty might of God, His mind, His will, His purpose, His action. In the context of God's omni-attributes ALL flesh, sinful or not "cooperates" with God simply because the only purpose existing in the Creator's creation is the one the Creator gave it. Sinful flesh may think it has its own purpose(s) but it doesn't. Any and all other purposes (real or imagined) are always and subordinate to God's. In that sense, all flesh does cooperate with God simply because it can do nothing else. All flesh, one way or another, ends at the same destination: the Judgment throne of God (Heb. 9:27). The outcome of that occasion is binary but both ends glorify God and God alone.

Interesting how you ignore the obvious.

If Adam was complete and perfect, then why did Adam sin at all?

Adam was incomplete and weak. His flesh was weak just like your flesh. He was taken from dust. Which is why God is merciful to us. He knows we are all but dust....

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Psa 103:14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.
 
Interesting how you ignore the obvious.

If Adam was complete and perfect, then why did Adam sin at all?
Because he was perfectly capable of doing so. Duh
Adam was incomplete and weak.
Incorrect. He was incomplete, not weak. Adam was good and sinless, and had been given all the power and authority to subdue the earth and rule over it prior to Genesis 3:7. The weakness came AFTER his disobedience. You are adding things not stated in scripture.
His flesh was weak just like your flesh.
No, his flesh was good, and sinless. After Genesis 3:6 every other human's flesh (except that of Jesus') was weakened by sin.
He was taken from dust.
Irrelevant. He could have been made from anything, a drop of dew, an atom of lightning, or flea dung,
Which is why God is merciful to us.
You are asserting a cause and effect you have nowhere evidenced. In other words, you're making stuff up.
He knows we are all but dust....

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Psa 103:14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.
Both verses were written AFTER Genesis 3:7, not before. It is very, very, very bad use of scripture to apply post-disobedient conditions to anything existing prior to Genesis 3:7.


And you do that quite often. That one error leads to a lot of your posts being wholly unscriptural and irrational.



  • Can a three-month-old jump from the half-court line and dunk a basketball? No, s/he lacks the ability to do so.
  • Can a three-month-old jump from under the net and dunk a basketball? No, s/he lacks the ability to do so.
  • Can a physically fit, well-practiced, athletic twenty-year-old male jump from the half-court line and dunk a basketball? Yes!
  • Can a person living at sea level ever contract HAPE (high-altitude pulmonary edema) by staying at sea level? No, the only way to acquire HAPE is by quickly ascending above 8,00 feet (2500 meters).
  • Can a person living at sea level hike up Mt. Everest quickly, stay too long at the top and contract HAPE? Yes, it is inevitable.


Your answers to questions like this when they pertain to the pre-Genesis 3:7 Adam and sin are always wrong. These are the kinds of mistakes you make, and you make them quite often. Prior to Genesis 3:6 Adam was not sinful, imperfect, or weak. His flesh was not sinful, imperfect or weak, either. Prior to Genesis 3:7 Adam was stated in scripture by God Himself to be good and sinless AND possess the divinely given power and authority to subdue the earth and rule over it. Adam's first sin was not eating the forbidden fruit. His first act of disobedience was in not ruling over the serpent and Eve's disobedience! Had Adam obeyed God's blessed command to subdue the earth and rule over it he never would have eaten anything he was told not to eat. You need to stop applying post-Genesis 3-7 conditions to pre-disobedient conditions. Until that practice ceases your hamartiology will be thoroughly unscriptural and irrational.

Because of the many, many, many, many occasions you and I have had to discuss the facts of scripture correctly and your abject failure to do so, you don't get the kind, gentle, patient, forbearing, hopeful, trusting Josh anymore. You sow bad teaching into the forums and it's not okay because the less mature or less informed may be led astray. Stop putting sin on the sinless Adam. Place sin on the sinful Adam all you like, but never conflate confuse the two.
 
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