How can God speak to people toda

[Mikeuk]

We live in a land of total scepticism .
And it isn’t just the atheists and materialists.

Even the churches dismiss many mystical phenomena before they research them - my Catholic Church is about as hostile as it can be before grudgingly accepting at time “ good fruits” so noting some are “ worthy of belief” but not going as far as supporting them. As far as Catholicism is concerned , revelation has finished .

Yet the Bible shows throughout history God speaks when He thinks he must .
At the transfiguration He spoke to the apostles saying “ This is my son. listen to him!” That wasn’t prophesied, that he would speak, or meet Moses and Elijah. But it happened.

And as Noah’s ark proves God can be so angry with our choices he changes the course of history, by saving only a few and starting again.

Many Christian’s trapped by sola scriptura would say “ but there is nothing in scripture before the second coming,

Soif someone says “ God said this “ or “ did this “, they would probably discount it as diabolical because of no Prophecy of it.
I can only point again at the transfiguration and the flood to say . God can do what he likes, when he likes.

Which gives God a problem if he wants to speak and to be heard today.
Particulary if he thinks we are going at right angles!
If he Wants to tell some of us “ you are wrong” go right not left.

I can point at several recent miracles where the scientific and other evidence, is hard to dispute, and there is a message implied or attached. But would you ever accept it if it disagrees With your theology ? How could it persuade you?

The question for all here , is how can God speak today, in a way you will accept.
And would you discount it just because it contradicts part of your theology?
im curious?

As an aside I am just reading a book on near death experiences by an orthodox monk.

iIt becomes clear he only accepts NDE testimony that lines up with his theology.
So how can God speak to him, if he discounts what doesn’t agree with him?
Right or wriong, The monk is in an inescapable intellectual trap of his own making,
even if God gives him a key, he wont let himself out of the cage of his own making.

 

[Wordsmith]

We live in a land of total scepticism .
And it isn’t just the atheists and materialists.

Even the churches dismiss many mystical phenomena before they research them - my Catholic Church is about as hostile as it can be before grudgingly accepting at time “ good fruits” so noting some are “ worthy of belief” but not going as far as supporting them. As far as Catholicism is concerned , revelation has finished .

Yet the Bible shows throughout history God speaks when He thinks he must .
At the transfiguration He spoke to the apostles saying “ This is my son. listen to him!” That wasn’t prophesied, that he would speak, or meet Moses and Elijah. But it happened.

And as Noah’s ark proves God can be so angry with our choices he changes the course of history, by saving only a few and starting again.

Many Christian’s trapped by sola scriptura would say “ but there is nothing in scripture before the second coming,

Soif someone says “ God said this “ or “ did this “, they would probably discount it as diabolical because of no Prophecy of it.
I can only point again at the transfiguration and the flood to say . God can do what he likes, when he likes.

Which gives God a problem if he wants to speak and to be heard today.
Particulary if he thinks we are going at right angles!
If he Wants to tell some of us “ you are wrong” go right not left.

I can point at several recent miracles where the scientific and other evidence, is hard to dispute, and there is a message implied or attached. But would you ever accept it if it disagrees With your theology ? How could it persuade you?

The question for all here , is how can God speak today, in a way you will accept.
And would you discount it just because it contradicts part of your theology?
im curious?

As an aside I am just reading a book on near death experiences by an orthodox monk.

iIt becomes clear he only accepts NDE testimony that lines up with his theology.
So how can God speak to him, if he discounts what doesn’t agree with him?
Right or wriong, The monk is in an inescapable intellectual trap of his own making,
even if God gives him a key, he wont let himself out of the cage of his own making.

Too often today many in the church try to limit what God can and cannot do by promoting doctrines of man.

All through scripture God at times spoke directly to man when He deemed in appropriate. He still does that when He chooses.

Miracles, healings , prophecies , words of knowledge and wisdom, discerning of spirits, tongues, interpretation of tongues, these all still happen as Gods wills except where men through their doctrines have removed them.

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

We live in a land of total scepticism .
And it isn’t just the atheists and materialists.

Even the churches dismiss many mystical phenomena before they research them - my Catholic Church is about as hostile as it can be before grudgingly accepting at time “ good fruits” so noting some are “ worthy of belief” but not going as far as supporting them. As far as Catholicism is concerned , revelation has finished .

Yet the Bible shows throughout history God speaks when He thinks he must .
At the transfiguration He spoke to the apostles saying “ This is my son. listen to him!” That wasn’t prophesied, that he would speak, or meet Moses and Elijah. But it happened.

And as Noah’s ark proves God can be so angry with our choices he changes the course of history, by saving only a few and starting again.

Many Christian’s trapped by sola scriptura would say “ but there is nothing in scripture before the second coming,

Soif someone says “ God said this “ or “ did this “, they would probably discount it as diabolical because of no Prophecy of it.
I can only point again at the transfiguration and the flood to say . God can do what he likes, when he likes.

Which gives God a problem if he wants to speak and to be heard today.
Particulary if he thinks we are going at right angles!
If he Wants to tell some of us “ you are wrong” go right not left.

I can point at several recent miracles where the scientific and other evidence, is hard to dispute, and there is a message implied or attached. But would you ever accept it if it disagrees With your theology ? How could it persuade you?

The question for all here , is how can God speak today, in a way you will accept.
And would you discount it just because it contradicts part of your theology?
im curious?

As an aside I am just reading a book on near death experiences by an orthodox monk.

iIt becomes clear he only accepts NDE testimony that lines up with his theology.
So how can God speak to him, if he discounts what doesn’t agree with him?
Right or wriong, The monk is in an inescapable intellectual trap of his own making,
even if God gives him a key, he wont let himself out of the cage of his own making.

You have to discriminate between diabolical phenomena posing as miraculous and genuine miracles. That's number 1.

Second, has God spoken to you and what do you mean by that? How does God speak today? It would be very rare for God to speak in an audible voice. He hardly does that in the Bible so why would it be different today? And then there's the added problem of hallucinations and delusions with audible voices. I think God would choose not to speak in such a way on purpose, so that Christians don't end up in the asylum.

As for NDEs, about 90% of them are New Age.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

We live in a land of total scepticism .
And it isn’t just the atheists and materialists.

Even the churches dismiss many mystical phenomena before they research them - my Catholic Church is about as hostile as it can be before grudgingly accepting at time “ good fruits” so noting some are “ worthy of belief” but not going as far as supporting them. As far as Catholicism is concerned , revelation has finished .

Unless, of course, one of their Popes, of "Luminaries" comes up with a new Scheme, or "Sacrament", or Tradition, whatever.

Yet the Bible shows throughout history God speaks when He thinks he must .

Just as He does today - a few hundred years God spoke to, and reminded a "Catholic Theologian" that MAN IS BORN AGAIN BY FAITH, and not by "Works".

60 years ago HE poured out the Holy Spirit across the entire world, bring many Protestants, AND Catholics into a born again, and Spirit baptized experience.

Which gives God a problem if he wants to speak and to be heard today.

Pure Foolishness - when GOD SPEAKS, His people, who are BORN AGAIN, hear His voice as clearly NOW as they did 2000 years ago. God has NO PROBLEM being heard by his people (and ALL PEOPLE IN EXTREME CASES) when He chooses to.

I can point at several recent miracles where the scientific and other evidence, is hard to dispute, and there is a message implied or attached.

And if the "Miracle" or "Wonder" is consistent with the Word of God in the Scriptures, those of us who actually KNOW what the Scripture says can easily evaluate it.

Jesus PROMISED that we'd Know HIS VOICE. And Jesus DOESN'T LIE. Biblically, satan can and does "do lying wonders" also to deceive people who aren't grounded in the Scriptures. The "apparitions" are some of his better mor popular ones.

The question for all here , is how can God speak today, in a way you will accept.

Answered above. Anybody who's ignorant of what the Bible says, are Ripe for deception.

And would you discount it just because it contradicts part of your theology?
im curious?

Answered above. If it contradicts the Scriptures, then "write it off".

As an aside I am just reading a book on near death experiences by an orthodox monk.

Careful with that stuff. The god of this world "gets off" on spreading his lies, and deceiving people who've never been Born Again of the Holy Spirit. He's the FATHER of them, you know.

iIt becomes clear he only accepts NDE testimony that lines up with his theology.
So how can God speak to him, if he discounts what doesn’t agree with him?
Right or wriong, The monk is in an inescapable intellectual trap of his own making,
even if God gives him a key, he wont let himself out of the cage of his own making.

Which demonstrates an IGNORANCE of God's ABILITY to Communicate with us - WHEN, and BY WHATEVER MEANS He chooses. You are aware that the HOLY SPIRIT will lead us into all truth, aren't you???

Apparently YOU ACTUALLY THINK we humans would have a problem recognizing God's voice!!!!

 

[prism]

Hebrews 1:1-2
On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. [2] But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

 

[Eleanor]

We live in a land of total scepticism .
And it isn’t just the atheists and materialists.

Even the churches dismiss many mystical phenomena before they research them - my Catholic Church is about as hostile as it can be before grudgingly accepting at time “ good fruits” so noting some are “ worthy of belief” but not going as far as supporting them. As far as Catholicism is concerned , revelation has finished .

Yet the Bible shows throughout history God speaks when He thinks he must .
At the transfiguration He spoke to the apostles saying “ This is my son. listen to him!” That wasn’t prophesied, that he would speak, or meet Moses and Elijah. But it happened.

And as Noah’s ark proves God can be so angry with our choices he changes the course of history, by saving only a few and starting again.

Many Christian’s trapped by sola scriptura would say “ but there is nothing in scripture before the second coming,

Soif someone says “ God said this “ or “ did this “, they would probably discount it as diabolical because of no Prophecy of it.
I can only point again at the transfiguration and the flood to say . God can do what he likes, when he likes.

Which gives God a problem if he wants to speak and to be heard today.
Particulary if he thinks we are going at right angles!
If he Wants to tell some of us “ you are wrong” go right not left.

I can point at several recent miracles where the scientific and other evidence, is hard to dispute, and there is a message implied or attached. But would you ever accept it if it disagrees With your theology ? How could it persuade you?

The question for all here , is how can God speak today, in a way you will accept.
And would you discount it just because it contradicts part of your theology?
im curious?

As an aside I am just reading a book on near death experiences by an orthodox monk.

iIt becomes clear he only accepts NDE testimony that lines up with his theology.
So how can God speak to him, if he discounts what doesn’t agree with him?
Right or wriong, The monk is in an inescapable intellectual trap of his own making,
even if God gives him a key, he wont let himself out of the cage of his own making.

God has already spoken in the Scriptures.

If it is God speaking, it will be in agreement with his word written, understood in the light of all his word.

 

[Mikeuk]

God has already spoken in the Scriptures.

If it is God speaking, it will be in agreement with his word written, understood in the light of all his word.

But those are the two questions I am raising:

1/ Your belief is not scripture itself: it is an interpretation of scripture.
Difference in interpretation Is the reason factions disagree - protestants highlight differences with Catholics, but differences In interpretation between protestants are in many ways far more profound.

So if God decides to reinforce a different interpretation you disagree with , will you reject it ?

2/ if God wants to reveal something new, would you reject it ? God can do as He wishes.
As an example of old- The transfiguration was not prophesied in scripture at the time, so why do you accept that?
It was not in the “ word” of the time.

The entire question is about whether you are so trapped by existing belief you would not allow God to change an error to truth, or would you let Him reveal more truth Not anywhere in scripture?

 

[Eleanor]

But those are the two questions I am raising:

1/ Your belief is not scripture itself: it is an interpretation of scripture.

Yep, and it is in agreement with the rest of Scripture in its context , so it is correct.
God did not leave us a word we cannot know.
And so you get to show that it is not in agreement with the rest of Scripture if you want to demonstrate error.

Difference in interpretation Is the reason factions disagree - protestants highlight differences with Catholics, but differences In interpretation between protestants are in many ways far more profound.
So if God decides to reinforce a different interpretation you disagree with , will you reject it ?
2/ if God wants to reveal something new, would you reject it ? God can do as He wishes.
As an example of old- The transfiguration was not prophesied in scripture at the time, so why do you accept that?
It was not in the “ word” of the time.
The entire question is about whether you are so trapped by existing belief you would not allow God to change an error to truth, or would you let Him reveal more truth Not anywhere in scripture?

He has given Scripture as his measuring rod, and he would not contradict himself, but there are many spirits out there who would like you to believe that he would.

 

[Mikeuk]

Unless, of course, one of their Popes, of "Luminaries" comes up with a new Scheme, or "Sacrament", or Tradition, whatever.

Just as He does today - a few hundred years God spoke to, and reminded a "Catholic Theologian" that MAN IS BORN AGAIN BY FAITH, and not by "Works".

60 years ago HE poured out the Holy Spirit across the entire world, bring many Protestants, AND Catholics into a born again, and Spirit baptized experience.

Pure Foolishness - when GOD SPEAKS, His people, who are BORN AGAIN, hear His voice as clearly NOW as they did 2000 years ago. God has NO PROBLEM being heard by his people (and ALL PEOPLE IN EXTREME CASES) when He chooses to.

And if the "Miracle" or "Wonder" is consistent with the Word of God in the Scriptures, those of us who actually KNOW what the Scripture says can easily evaluate it.

Jesus PROMISED that we'd Know HIS VOICE. And Jesus DOESN'T LIE. Biblically, satan can and does "do lying wonders" also to deceive people who aren't grounded in the Scriptures. The "apparitions" are some of his better mor popular ones.

Answered above. Anybody who's ignorant of what the Bible says, are Ripe for deception.

Answered above. If it contradicts the Scriptures, then "write it off".

Careful with that stuff. The god of this world "gets off" on spreading his lies, and deceiving people who've never been Born Again of the Holy Spirit. He's the FATHER of them, you know.

Which demonstrates an IGNORANCE of God's ABILITY to Communicate with us - WHEN, and BY WHATEVER MEANS He cachooses. You are aware that the HOLY SPIRIT will lead us into all truth, aren't you???

Apparently YOU ACTUALLY THINK we humans would have a problem recognizing God's voice!!!!

Call no man fool.

You listen to your opinion of meaning of scripture - in many cases disagreeing with those sent to hand the word on.
Let that pass.

So If God wants to tell you you’ve got it wrong, how can He ever get a word in, since you only listen to your own opinion on what scripture means?

Are you not in an intellectual cage of your own making? That is the purpose of the thread not your latest anti catholic rant.

 

[Mikeuk]

Yep, and it is in agreement with the rest of Scripture in its context , so it is correct.
God did not leave us a word we cannot know.
And so you get to show that it is not in agreement with the rest of Scripture if you want to demonstrate error.

He has given Scripture as his measuring rod, and he would not contradict himself, but there are many spirits out there who would like you to believe that he would.

You mean your opinion of scripture.
You will see elsewhere I list the critical issues on which protestants all disagree WITH EACH OTHER
All start with the same scripture ( actually Luther’s amended version, omitting bits he didn’t like)

I will not echo the full list but take as examples
The necessity , meaning, method and applicability of baptism
The necessity , meaning, method and applicability of eucharist.
What are sacraments, what are not.
The necessity , ordination and candidates for priesthood.
The nature of God , some Pentecostals still have modalism.
Basic stuff like salvation, OSAS, saved but can lose it, not saved till the just judge decides.
The elect, double, single predestinatiom and free will.
LGBT issues.
The necessity of cooperation, obedience or works.
End times.
Pro life , pro choice, contraception.
etc
etc
etc

Protestants disagree on ALL critical issues.
Even the reformers disagree with each other on profound issues.
Many modern calvinists disagree with Calvin!

So do not pretend any of you “ know”
- only that you have an “ opinion “Which however logical you think it is it differs from many others.

My question is a philosophical one.
If God wants to tell you you are wrong on part of it,
how can He if you let your opinion trump all else?

There is plenty of evidence from the modern world out there. But how can you ever let it in?

 

[Eleanor]

You mean your opinion of scripture.
You will see elsewhere I list the critical issues on which protestants disagree.

I'm not responsible for anyone else's presentations.

And you have yet to Biblically demonstrate my error.

Everything else is brass and tinkling cymbal.

 

[Mikeuk]

I'm not responsible for anyone else's presentations.

And you have yet to Biblically demonstrate my error.

Everything else is brass and tinkling cymbal.

I don’t have to demonstrate errors.
I’m asking if you will let God demonstrate them! If so what would satisfy you

It is “ bold” to tell the rest of the world your version is right when most others disagree!
I’ve no idea what tradition you come from?

 

[Eleanor]

I don’t have to demonstrate errors.
I’m asking if you will let God demonstrate them! If so what would satisfy you

The only way I will know it is God and not an evil spirit, is if it is in agreement with the rest of Scripture, which is the way he has given us to know the truth of Scripture. See Bereans.
And whatever it is, it already is, or I wouldn't believe it.
Fool's errand.

It is “ bold” to tell the rest of the world your version is right when most others disagree!
I’ve no idea what tradition you come from?

They get to Biblically demosnstrate the truth of what they assert just as I do.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Call no man fool.

Why not, Paul did??? (1 Cor 15:36)

You listen to your opinion of meaning of scripture - in many cases disagreeing with those sent to hand the word on.

If they're Roman Catholic, that's an easy decision. Catholics pay little attention to the "Scriptures" they supposedly codified, and prefer their own Traditions.

So If God wants to tell you you’ve got it wrong, how can He ever get a word in, since you only listen to your own opinion on what scripture means?

Which indicates that YOU'VE NEVER experienced God communicating to you. When the Holy Spirit speaks - YOU LISTEN - guaranteed.

Are you not in an intellectual cage of your own making?

Nope, I'm familiar with what the Scriptures say in context, so I'm passing that on. You can stick with your "Traditions" at your own risk.

 

[Mikeuk]

Why not, Paul did??? (1 Cor 15:36)

If they're Roman Catholic, that's an easy decision. Catholics pay little attention to the "Scriptures" they supposedly codified, and prefer their own Traditions.

Which indicates that YOU'VE NEVER experienced God communicating to you. When the Holy Spirit speaks - YOU LISTEN - guaranteed.

Nope, I'm familiar with what the Scriptures say in context, so I'm passing that on. You can stick with your "Traditions" at your own risk.

You do love your myths from the anti catholic book of fables. It’s a shame you never Study the truth.
You believe in the most divisive and unscriptural man made tradition of all - sola scriptura.
How many holy spirits do you think there are since they all appear to disagree , since- done your way - you all disagree with each other? Even the reformers disagreed On critical issues.

We catholics know scripture better than you do. As follows.
The reality is you do what scripture tells you not to do : proverbs 3:5 you ” lean on your own understanding “
You do not listen to those who “were sent “ since the beginning romans 10:15 , so you do not stay true to what they taught 2 thes 2:15. nor do you listen to those with the power to tell decide on disputes on scripture means “ bind and loose” mat 16:19 - or the As a result you don’t listen to the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15
The gospel was preached from the beginning to end of time mat 24:14 , not till someone called Bob misinterpreted it in 2023.


but this thread is about God speaking
Eg we believe in a eucharist of the real flesh because that is the LITERAL translation of scripture. John 6
It is why Paul said some were sick and
We also know that is what John got from the Lord and handed to his disciples.
it’s what councils believed.

And now - this thread God is speaking to YOU.
In forensically verifiable Eucharistic miracles He is telling you it really is HIS heart,
and after a miracle at Fatima to prove it is Him, he said
he is angered by all the “ indifferences, outrages and sacrilege’s” against Him in the tabernacle,

So you hace a simple choice:
Are you listening to what HE says the Eucharist is, or do you prefer listening to YOURSELF with a mistaken view? , born of refusal to listen to HIS church, the pillar of truth since the apostles.
I feel sorry for you you do not partake of the real Eucharist.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

We catholics know scripture better than you do.

Well - that pretty much covers it!!!
DO you have any idea what Scripture says, or do you simply trust your "Magisterium" to think for you???

 

[Bob Carabbio]

You do love your myths from the anti catholic book of fables. It’s a shame you never Study the truth.

OR MAYBE - I'm the one who DOES KNOW THE TRUTH, and all you've got is your Phony Roman Catholic "Tradition" to hang your hat on.

As a Catholic, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ASSURANCE OF SALVATION!!!!

I do.

 

[donadams]

OR MAYBE - I'm the one who DOES KNOW THE TRUTH, and all you've got is your Phony Roman Catholic "Tradition" to hang your hat on.

As a Catholic, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ASSURANCE OF SALVATION!!!!

I do.

Does that not violate the supernatural virtue of hope?

 

[donadams]

God communicate thru the gifts of the HS and in the ministry of the angels

 

[Rockerduck]

If the Holy Spirit doesn't speak to you, many say they don't believe it. If you speak in tongues, and many that don't , don't believe it. Does the Holy Spirit speak? Yes He does, to me. I have visions and dreams too. But if you don't have them, you won't believe me. Simple as that. Its in ;

John 16:13 - However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.