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How are we made in the Image of God?

RE: Seems to me they [angels] are closer to God's image than us, but again I don't have a precise definition of "God's image".

Really? God only loves the elect. I assume He loves 2/3 of all the angels.
He does not love any of them salvifically.

Think about that. Because salvation is inherently, inescapably Christological...... God does not love the angels Christologically.
Agreed .... I was referring to us now ... in the future that prospects are looking very good for the elect.
Yep, and in both conditions scripture states we are made in God's image, and James affirms the pre-resurrection state of imago.
So many statements made by each of us ... I've lost track. ..... about lunch time .... the wife works from the office I constructed using a portion of the garage and comes in to eat and watch Judge Judy with me :)
Then pick one. Don't imply I've not used scripture and then not follow through with something specific. Go have lunch with a big hug from me. Take your time thinking about this because 1) I'm betting you know scripture sufficiently to know from whence I Got x, y, and/or z, and 2) I've got to go see my 90-year-old mother because the exterminators her ALF sent to remove a soccer-ball-sized beehive failed to do so and because it's such a beautiful day she wants to use her balcony. It'll be a couple of hours before I'm back.


I'm sure something much could be said about the divine image in which we are created but I think most of it will fall under relational ontology.
 
RE: Seems to me they [angels] are closer to God's image than us, but again I don't have a precise definition of "God's image".

Really? God only loves the elect.
Now we're getting off into the weeds (and I do not means minutiae). God loves everyone. He simply does not love everyone the same way, to the same degree. He loves the unrepentant sinner well enough to allow him to draw breath and pump blood as a tool of His purposes until He sees fit to stop loving him/her that way and decides to mete out the just recompense for sin.


But that has nothing to do with identifying the imago do in which humans are made (except none of it would exist were God not a God of relationship ;)).
 
He does not love any of them salvifically.

Think about that. Because salvation is inherently, inescapably Christological...... God does not love the angels Christologically.
Valid points. On the other hand, God loves angels such that 2/3s don't go to hell or live on earth and potentially have to go through hell (pun intended). That beats the "narrow gate" that few find. So as a group that have that advantage. I grant being a member of the elect seems to beat all, but their percent of the whole is poorer.
Is it better to have no need of forgiveness as 2/3s of the angels do, or to need forgiveness as the elect do?
Finally, angels have cool wings to fly with. ☺️

I've got to go see my 90-year-old mother
Got you beat. My mom is 96. Unfortunately, her mind is gone. She doesn't know who I am. She does sing hymns though.
Father-in-law is 97. I'm never going to get an inheritance ... LOL
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fall under relational ontology
You should know I have troubles with words longer than 1 syllable.
Attempted to take a course in existentialism. During first lesson I turned to the guy beside me and said, "Do you have any idea what they are talking about"? My ego was soothed when he said "no". I immediately went to the administration building and dropped the course.

God loves everyone. He simply does not love everyone the same way, to the same degree.
I agree with the 2nd sentence. I do not think God loves everyone where love is defined as a "volition to favor". With a majority of humans destined to live 99.999999% of their lives tormented in hell, that does not fit my definition of love (volition to favor).
I can list many verses saying God hates some/most people.

But that has nothing to do with identifying the imago do in which humans are made
True ... but I've again had my say on the "image of God" discussion. I grant I have a minority opinion.
 
This assumes Adam was not changed. Each ate the fruit and God cursed him and imputed Adam's sin to us.
I state that most people are sons of Satan and this disqualifies them as being in the "image of God".
Adam's nature changed. He added to it something God did not give and forbade. The knowledge of evil in addition to the knowledge of good. Once he sinned, he became a sinner. But he was not made a sinner, and he did not unmake himself. He was still a man, created by God, and created in the image and likeness of God. The fact that we don't live according the the image (righteousness) of God, does not mean we were not made by God or that he remade Adam. It is the very thing that Christ did in his life---as that image as the "new man" the second Adam; and that he went to the cross on behalf of God's people to restore. Until our glorification, we are constantly being sanctified by the Holy Spirit, to reflect more and more of the One whose image we bear. Being conformed to the image of Christ.
Well, you are implying that your definition of the "image of God" includes these attributes.
I don't think God chose to phrase it "image and likeness" for no reason. They are distinct. The likeness refers to what we are---but type of being. We are the only thing in creation that is even remotely like God in our being. Walking, talking, acting, etc, are things we do, not things we are. The image is that that we reflect in doing those things. Therefore, to bear God's image is a command to be righteous in all our doings. We could and did before the fall. Jesus did as one of us. We are counted as righteous now through faith in him, kept for the day when we are truly righteous.
Colossians 3:10 “And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him;” ... seems to me that knowledge is an attribute of the "image of God" and the verb "renewed" implies that the image has to be fixed which implies it was broken.
Would it help if I just said we were created as his image bearers? Are we doing that? No. But that does not change the fact that we were created to be his image bearers. And we still are created to be his image bearers.
Well, I would argue we that as sons of Satan men no longer can be said to be in the "image of God". Is there some likeness, I suppose but I don't see how God is glorified by the sons of Satan that you propose are made in His image. But, as I said ... depends on one's definition of the "image of God" and it not like the Bible gives a complete definition ... I think 4ish verses describe it.
Aside: If one is regenerated, then the Image of God would apply to them IMO.
I don't propose that the sons of Satan are bearing the image of God. I don't propose that any of us are reflecting his image. That is why it is called sin. The believer is being conformed to that image through sanctification. I am saying he created mankind as image bearers and we are still created to bear is image. We will beat his image when we are glorified. We are counted as bearing his image in Christ now.
 

How are we made in the Image of God?​

We're not. Adam and Eve were created in the "image of God".
Men are in the flesh and by nature sons of Satan unless God regenerates them. Even after regeneration the conflict continues:
I think I disagree with you here. The image of God in humanity is not lost through sin, but instead is perverted.
 
I would agree that the image has been spoiled since the Fall. However, I don't agree that people since Adam and Eve do not bear God's image at all. Otherwise that would make nonsense of God's reason for murder being sinful:

““Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.” (Ge 9:6 NKJV)
I agree, the image is not lost, but perverted.
 
God loves everyone. He simply does not love everyone the same way, to the same degree.
I disagree, i do not believe that is true at all. God said he hates and He loves some
He loves the unrepentant sinner well enough to allow him to draw breath and pump blood as a tool of His purposes until He sees fit to stop loving him/her that way and decides to mete out the just recompense for sin.
That's grace, a general love for mankind. The rain falls on both the good a the evil. Big difference.


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But he was not made a sinner
:unsure: ... evil is not a thing; rather, the lack of righteousness. God's decree dictated that God would create a man named Adam and that man would sin. God, being almighty could have created a man that would never sin similar to what He has done with 2/3s of the angels. I'm not sure what the statement "Adam was not made a sinner" means. I do know God planned it all and everything created was done so by God.
:unsure: anyways ...

Until our glorification, we are constantly being sanctified by the Holy Spirit, to reflect more and more of the One whose image we bear. Being conformed to the image of Christ.
Agreed and said statement establishes our short comings when it comes to the statement that we are currently defined as being the "image of God". Now, the degree to which we do not conform to the "image of God" determines if we can be termed as being in the "image of God" and a quantitative definition is not to be found in the Bible. In my mine, people who are sons of Satan cannot be termed to be made in "God's image". In my mind, no one that God HATES can be defined as being the IMAGE OF GOD and God hates a majority of people.
Example: Deuteronomy 18:12 For everyone who does these things is utterly repulsive to the Lord; Psalm 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry [with the wicked] every day. Can God find those that repulse him to be made in His image? I think not.

We could and did before the fall. Jesus did as one of us. We are counted as righteous now through faith in him, kept for the day when we are truly righteous.
Well, if you confine your definition of those who are in the "image of God" to the elect... then I am good with that. I've been talking about all men without exception.

And we still are created to be his image bearers.
Not a very good image bearers as all our works are as filthy rags. None are righteous, no not one ... and righteous is an aspect of the "image of God" per Ephesians 4:22-24 ....
I suppose we are His image bearers in that Christ's righteousness is imputed to us. We are the imputed image of God.

The believer is being conformed to that image through sanctification.
agreed .... I'm still trying to catch up to you in this regard :giggle:
I am saying he created mankind as image bearers and we are still created to bear is image.
agreed if "we" is confined to the elect

We will beat his image when we are glorified. We are counted as bearing his image in Christ now.
Agreed ... we are "in Christ" and from that view point we are the perfect image of God.
 
I think I disagree with you here. The image of God in humanity is not lost through sin, but instead is perverted.
"Lost", "perverted" ... seems like analogous terms. How perverted must one be to no longer be considered to be the "image of God"? Can those in hell still say they're the "image of God"? Ignoring the imputation of Christ's righteousness, I would be ashamed to say I am "the image of God".
 
How are We Made in the Image of God?
Here...
Genesis 2:7 KJV
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
 
I think I disagree with you here. The image of God in humanity is not lost through sin, but instead is perverted.
And I repeat:

Even after the fall, Scripture presents man as made in the image of God (Ge 9:6).
The image of God is not lost through sin.
The image of God is more than sinlessness.
It is spirituality, rationality, morality.
 
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I disagree, i do not believe that is true at all. God said he hates and He loves some

That's grace, a general love for mankind.
You just contradicted yourself.
The rain falls on both the good a the evil. Big difference.


Here is something you may enjoy: Only 9 mins.
Extra-biblical appeal that does not solve the fact Post #28 contradicts itself when it expresses disagreement with God loving everyone, stating God loves some, but God has a general love for mankind.


Would you like me to do a forensic analysis of that video, taking it line by line, and explain why it is wrong? Just let me know. It is 9 minutes of factual error and logical fallacy. That video should have been closed the minute he asked, "Does God love anybody?" The answer is "God is love," and God did love Esau, He simply did not do so salvifically. From there on out he couches all his commentary in the context of salvation and not other ways of loving. Bad teaching. Not enjoyable at all because it is bad teaching.

God loves everyone. He simply does not love everyone the same way or to the same degree. Some He loves salvifically, but He loves everyone sufficiently to permit them to draw breath and pump blood.
That's grace, a general love for mankind. The rain falls on both the good a the evil. Big difference.
No, not a big difference but a difference without a distinction.









Btw, hate is not the opposite of love. Neither is anger.
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You just contradicted yourself.

Extra-biblical appeal that does not solve the fact Post #28 contradicts itself when it expresses disagreement with God loving everyone, stating God loves some, but God has a general love for mankind.


Would you like me to do a forensic analysis of that video, taking it line by line, and explain why it is wrong? Just let me know. It is 9 minutes of factual error and logical fallacy. That video should have been closed the minute he asked, "Does God love anybody?" The answer is "God is love," and God did love Esau, He simply did not do so salvifically. From there on out he couches all his commentary in the context of salvation and not other ways of loving. Bad teaching. Not enjoyable at all because it is bad teaching.

God loves everyone. He simply does not love everyone the same way or to the same degree. Some He loves salvifically, but He loves everyone sufficiently to permit them to draw breath and pump blood.

No, not a big difference but a difference without a distinction.









Btw, hate is not the opposite of love. Neither is anger.
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I made my point, I dont feel the need to pursue it any longer. I'll just stay away from the nonsense of entertaining your (in my opinion) silly response, like, "God is love," for answers to this. Enjoy.
 
I made my point, I dont feel the need to pursue it any longer.
And I made mine, proving your point incorrect AND I invited you into the opportunity to discuss the video's content amicably.
I'll just stay away from the nonsense of entertaining your (in my opinion) silly response...
You do realize there are 4 different meanings for the word love in Greek?
Those two statements contradict one another. reporting an intent to stay away and then commenting further is not staying away. It's like when someone says they're going to ignore someone and then they post in contradiction of their own report. The video is wrong and wrong in numerous ways.


The video opens with a statement he receives and "interesting" question" that he then, immediately qualifies as "shallow," "inept," "not thought through." Why would an interesting question be shallow. He never defines his terms and never proves his appraisal. What he has done is commit the logical fallacy known as the appeal to ridicule. The question is wrong because it is shallow and inept. So right from the start he has set up the listener and set up the listener with a personal opinion and set up the listener with a derogatory personal opinion. The implication is that people who ask shallow, inept, not-thought-through questions are, likewise, shallow, inept, and not thinking things through. It's not a functional way to start any apologetic.

He then continues on with the labeling, calling the question "vague and vacuous because it does not complete things." He then changes the question and answers the replacement question. The rest of the video addresses whether or not God loves some and hates others. He does not state it, but the implication is that hate is the opposite of love when that is not true. Hate is not the absence of love. What he's done is a bait and switch.

He then frames the original question as something a humanist would ask when the fact is anyone and everyone could ask the question regardless of their theological orientation (excepting those of the atheist persuasion). Logically what he has done is establish a boogeyman. It's a form of strawman argument implying only humanists ask that question. He then further qualifies his boogeyman as either a "rationalist" or a "mystic" (which he misrepresents with the supposed mystic making an appeal to emotion). Not everyone who asks, "Does God love everyone?" is humanist (or a rationalist or mystic). He then marginalizes the inquirer with an appeal to anecdotal experience and an misguided appeal to authority. After setting up the red herring of the humanist boogeyman, he exalts himself. He believes God is the measure of all things. The implication is that if the question "Does God love everybody?" is asked then the person asking must be a humanist and does not believe God is the measure of everything.


He is two minutes into his lesson and hasn't answered the question. Instead, rather than answer the question asked, he creates a boogeyman and commits at least a half-dozen logical fallacies. Go back and listen critically and verify this for yourself.

He then changes the question again. The new question is, "Does God love anybody?" This is another bait and switch. God could love person x, person y, and or person z but that would not prove anything relevant to whether or not God loves everybody. Here he has committed a construction fallacy. Then he appeals to sophistry with an appeal to a rhetorical question (why assume God should or ought) and his own personal anecdotal experience (what it is he assumes should be thought). His personal opinions are not an answer to anything and the fact he's even broaching that content is directly contrary to his statement God is the measure, not him! If God loves anybody that is a shock! Hogwash! Baloney! It's not a shock to me. That God would create out of His ontologically existing love and love the creatures He created is not shocking. The assertion is profoundly out of character with scripture, and he's said God is the measure of the answer to the question asked. He then commits another red herring bait and switch with the statement "No one deserves the love of God." That is certainly true, but the question asked is not "Does anyone deserve the love of God?" The question is "Does God love everybody?" Supposedly the question, "Does God love everybody?" assumes a lot of things. That may be true, but it does NOT assume many of the things he has assumed.

He then opens the Bible to Romans 9 as if the middle of the Bible contains the definitive answer. Having started his answer to the question asked (his answer, not the answer), he selects the example of Jacob and Esau in which covenantal love is juxtaposed with love and hate. Soteriological love is not the only love God expresses. Hate is not the antithesis of love. God did love Esau, but not within the covenant made with Abraham (we do not actually know Esau's eternal disposition because scripture is silent on that matter).


We do know that Esau testified to the blessings he received from God, and he said those things to his brother at least in part to assuage Jacob's guilt and feelings thereof (see Genesis 33). Did God bless Esau in hate?
You do realize there are 4 different meanings for the word love in Greek?
Yes, I do know that. And there are at least two additional different meanings in Hebrew. You might want to tell Mr. Morey that fact because he did not cover all the bases. He was rather myopic with his arguments.

Morey then changes the question to be answered again! "Does the same Bible ever say God hates people?" He then appeals to all the verses that mention wrath and anger. He's ignoring all the many verses that mention love. He's committed two more bait-and-switches. It's hugely, ironic, and paradoxical because the fact of scripture is that God loved some sinners so much that He provided a means for them to escape both sin and His wrath. All that talk about God's anger and wrath on the sinner as proof God does not love everybody is undermined by the fact God loved the sinner (some sinners, at least) enough to provide salvation from sin and wrath. Morey has been very selective with his use of scripture (completely ignoring the OT) and argued what amounts to a confirmation bias. Perhaps the worst part of his conduct is his mockery of others with his speech affectations; the ridicule intending to marginalize others. We're more than five minutes into a 9-minute teaching and he still has not answered the question asked.

The rest of the video continues on in the same demonstrably eisegetic and illogical vein. Morey is supposed to be a Reformed apologist, but he's done a very poor job of presenting whole Calvinist theology, not just the Bible. I won't waste more time, effort, and space in the thread presenting the many other problems in that video, but I will present everyone with an interest with a link to what R. C. Sproul said on the matter HERE.

Christologically, God does not love everybody and, sadly, most Reformed teaching of the subject of divine love are couched in the Christological relationship or covenant. What should be of further regret is that most teachings are also couched in the misguided dichotomy of love verses hate when hate is not the opposite of love.

The opposite of love is apathy.
I'll just stay away from the nonsense of entertaining your (in my opinion) silly response, like, "God is love," for answers to this. Enjoy.
And I will expect adherence to that statement, and nothing further will be posted for me to read.



Everyone should be as critical of extrabiblical sources as they are of my posts. A lot fewer disagreements among us all would occur.
 
And I made mine, proving your point incorrect AND I invited you into the opportunity to discuss the video's content amicably.

Those two statements contradict one another. reporting an intent to stay away and then commenting further is not staying away. It's like when someone says they're going to ignore someone and then they post in contradiction of their own report. The video is wrong and wrong in numerous ways.


The video opens with a statement he receives and "interesting" question" that he then, immediately qualifies as "shallow," "inept," "not thought through." Why would an interesting question be shallow. He never defines his terms and never proves his appraisal. What he has done is commit the logical fallacy known as the appeal to ridicule. The question is wrong because it is shallow and inept. So right from the start he has set up the listener and set up the listener with a personal opinion and set up the listener with a derogatory personal opinion. The implication is that people who ask shallow, inept, not-thought-through questions are, likewise, shallow, inept, and not thinking things through. It's not a functional way to start any apologetic.

He then continues on with the labeling, calling the question "vague and vacuous because it does not complete things." He then changes the question and answers the replacement question. The rest of the video addresses whether or not God loves some and hates others. He does not state it, but the implication is that hate is the opposite of love when that is not true. Hate is not the absence of love. What he's done is a bait and switch.

He then frames the original question as something a humanist would ask when the fact is anyone and everyone could ask the question regardless of their theological orientation (excepting those of the atheist persuasion). Logically what he has done is establish a boogeyman. It's a form of strawman argument implying only humanists ask that question. He then further qualifies his boogeyman as either a "rationalist" or a "mystic" (which he misrepresents with the supposed mystic making an appeal to emotion). Not everyone who asks, "Does God love everyone?" is humanist (or a rationalist or mystic). He then marginalizes the inquirer with an appeal to anecdotal experience and an misguided appeal to authority. After setting up the red herring of the humanist boogeyman, he exalts himself. He believes God is the measure of all things. The implication is that if the question "Does God love everybody?" is asked then the person asking must be a humanist and does not believe God is the measure of everything.


He is two minutes into his lesson and hasn't answered the question. Instead, rather than answer the question asked, he creates a boogeyman and commits at least a half-dozen logical fallacies. Go back and listen critically and verify this for yourself.

He then changes the question again. The new question is, "Does God love anybody?" This is another bait and switch. God could love person x, person y, and or person z but that would not prove anything relevant to whether or not God loves everybody. Here he has committed a construction fallacy. Then he appeals to sophistry with an appeal to a rhetorical question (why assume God should or ought) and his own personal anecdotal experience (what it is he assumes should be thought). His personal opinions are not an answer to anything and the fact he's even broaching that content is directly contrary to his statement God is the measure, not him! If God loves anybody that is a shock! Hogwash! Baloney! It's not a shock to me. That God would create out of His ontologically existing love and love the creatures He created is not shocking. The assertion is profoundly out of character with scripture, and he's said God is the measure of the answer to the question asked. He then commits another red herring bait and switch with the statement "No one deserves the love of God." That is certainly true, but the question asked is not "Does anyone deserve the love of God?" The question is "Does God love everybody?" Supposedly the question, "Does God love everybody?" assumes a lot of things. That may be true, but it does NOT assume many of the things he has assumed.

He then opens the Bible to Romans 9 as if the middle of the Bible contains the definitive answer. Having started his answer to the question asked (his answer, not the answer), he selects the example of Jacob and Esau in which covenantal love is juxtaposed with love and hate. Soteriological love is not the only love God expresses. Hate is not the antithesis of love. God did love Esau, but not within the covenant made with Abraham (we do not actually know Esau's eternal disposition because scripture is silent on that matter).


We do know that Esau testified to the blessings he received from God, and he said those things to his brother at least in part to assuage Jacob's guilt and feelings thereof (see Genesis 33). Did God bless Esau in hate?

Yes, I do know that. And there are at least two additional different meanings in Hebrew. You might want to tell Mr. Morey that fact because he did not cover all the bases. He was rather myopic with his arguments.

Morey then changes the question to be answered again! "Does the same Bible ever say God hates people?" He then appeals to all the verses that mention wrath and anger. He's ignoring all the many verses that mention love. He's committed two more bait-and-switches. It's hugely, ironic, and paradoxical because the fact of scripture is that God loved some sinners so much that He provided a means for them to escape both sin and His wrath. All that talk about God's anger and wrath on the sinner as proof God does not love everybody is undermined by the fact God loved the sinner (some sinners, at least) enough to provide salvation from sin and wrath. Morey has been very selective with his use of scripture (completely ignoring the OT) and argued what amounts to a confirmation bias. Perhaps the worst part of his conduct is his mockery of others with his speech affectations; the ridicule intending to marginalize others. We're more than five minutes into a 9-minute teaching and he still has not answered the question asked.

The rest of the video continues on in the same demonstrably eisegetic and illogical vein. Morey is supposed to be a Reformed apologist, but he's done a very poor job of presenting whole Calvinist theology, not just the Bible. I won't waste more time, effort, and space in the thread presenting the many other problems in that video, but I will present everyone with an interest with a link to what R. C. Sproul said on the matter HERE.

Christologically, God does not love everybody and, sadly, most Reformed teaching of the subject of divine love are couched in the Christological relationship or covenant. What should be of further regret is that most teachings are also couched in the misguided dichotomy of love verses hate when hate is not the opposite of love.

The opposite of love is apathy.

And I will expect adherence to that statement, and nothing further will be posted for me to read.



Everyone should be as critical of extrabiblical sources as they are of my posts. A lot fewer disagreements among us all would occur.
Well, @Josheb have a listen to Sproul, maybe you would listen to him?
 
Well, @Josheb have a listen to Sproul, maybe you would listen to him?
I did.

When we look at the concept of the love of God in Scripture, we see distinctions that have to be made. Historically and theologically, we distinguish among three types of divine love. There is the love of benevolence, where God has a kind spirit to the whole world and His benevolent will, His benevolent love falls on everybody. But there's also the sense in which in the Bible the love of God is defined in terms of God's beneficence, that is that's not just simply what His attitude is towards the world but how He displays that goodness universally—the rain falls upon the just as well as on the unjust............ when the Scriptures indicate the love of complacency, it's that special love that God has for His Son, and all of those who are in His Son, and who are adopted into His family. And if we talk about the love of God in His terms of the love of complacency and talk about it universally, that's blasphemy because God does not love the whole world in the love of complacency.

And the rest of his commentary is consistent with what I originally posted (Posts 21 and 22). Post 28 is incorrect, and it appeals to a very shoddy argument that uses scripture selectively and commits several logical fallacies. God loves everyone in one way or another, to one degree or another, but He does not love everyone Christologically. To say that it is God's grace, not His love, by which the rain falls on all, the godly and ungodly alike is a difference without distinction. That grace is not a grace of apathy (or hate, anger, or wrath).
Now we're getting off into the weeds (and I do not means minutiae). God loves everyone. He simply does not love everyone the same way, to the same degree. He loves the unrepentant sinner well enough to allow him to draw breath and pump blood as a tool of His purposes until He sees fit to stop loving him/her that way and decides to mete out the just recompense for sin.


But that has nothing to do with identifying the imago do in which humans are made (except none of it would exist were God not a God of relationship ;)).
His benevolent love falls on everyone.
His complacent love in Christ falls only on those He has adopted.


And that part of this thread is op-relevant because the op asserts God made two completely different types of people and not that God made one group of people who later became corrupt and in need of salvation from sin and wrath.
 
That's a mighty low standard to have to meet.

I guess I could say that a mushroom is partially made in the image of man because both are made of atoms. I'd rather say the Adam was made in the image of God, but that image was 99.99% destroyed by Adam's sin. The bible speaks of the "image of God" in that it contains:
  1. knowledge of God,
  2. righteousness,
  3. holiness,
  4. love to him,
  5. and joy in him
Seems to me the "image of God" was pretty much destroyed and only occurs now to the extent that one is sanctified by the spirit. Upon glorification the "image of God" will return.
17 For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Frankly I think nobody on earth knows what is implied in being "made in the image of God". Some call it intellect, some call it 'spiritual intellect', some call it sentience, some call it free will. We don't know. If, for example, it is the arms-legs-head-trunk thing, it wouldn't make much difference whether saved or redeemed. Becoming conformed to the image of Christ would be a different matter. We have notions, some maybe better than others, but we don't know.
 
Frankly I think nobody on earth knows what is implied in being "made in the image of God". Some call it intellect, some call it 'spiritual intellect', some call it sentience, some call it free will. We don't know. If, for example, it is the arms-legs-head-trunk thing, it wouldn't make much difference whether saved or redeemed. Becoming conformed to the image of Christ would be a different matter. We have notions, some maybe better than others, but we don't know.
According to Anthony Hoekema, humankind is created in God's image, possessing both structural qualities (like reason and moral sensitivity) and functional aspects (like true knowledge, righteousness, and love) that enable us to be mirrors and representatives of God. This image also involves a three-part relationship to God, other people, and the natural world, and it is intended to be renewed and ultimately perfected.


So, I think we can know, actually.
 
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