Have you got a rational explanation for the so-called Miracle of the Sun at Fatima?

[donadams]

And those who push another Gospel are not Anathema? I get how that game is played... kill the sheep, spare the false shepherds.

Oh like the so called reformers new gospel for their new churches?

Anathema is biblical 1 cor 16:22

 

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Anathema is biblical 1 cor 16:22

I was thinking more along the lines of...

Galatians 1:6-9 BSB
I am amazed how quickly you are deserting the One who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— [7] which is not even a gospel. Evidently some people are troubling you and trying to distort the gospel of Christ. [8] But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse! [9] As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be under a curse!

 

[prism]

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesar’s) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Lk 1:32-33 how can Christ be king without a kingdom?

Matt 21:43 Lk 22:29 Dan 7:8 heb 12:28 how is the kingdom taken from Israel and given to the apostles if it does not exist?

Jude 1:25 how can there be dominion without a kingdom?

Matt 6:33 how can we seek a kingdom that does not exist?

Matt 16:18-19 how can Christ the king give Peter the keys of a kingdom that does not exist?

Matt 3:2 Mk 1:5 Lk 21:31 How can they preach: “the kingdom is at hand” if the kingdom does not exist?

Matt 12:28 kingdom has come

Thanks

This would be more fitting...

Revelation 17:1-4 NKJV
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, [2] with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication." [3] So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. [4] The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.

 

[donadams]

This would be more fitting...

Revelation 17:1-4 NKJV
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, [2] with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication." [3] So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. [4] The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.

Refers to the pagan Roman Empire conquered by Christ

 

[Mr GLee]

Refers to the pagan Roman Empire conquered by Christ

The law of Paganism . Out of sight out of mind . Cain said I know not where my brother is . If you are God why ask me ?

The first fool .

 

[prism]

Refers to the pagan Roman Empire conquered by Christ

Conquered? Looks like it morphed into a 'secular-humanistic beast' to me.

 

[donadams]

Conquered? Looks like it morphed into a 'secular-humanistic beast' to me.

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesar’s) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

 

[prism]

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesar’s) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Sorry, but I tend not to spiritualize/Plato-inize the text to the extent some of the ECF did.

 

[donadams]

Sorry, but I tend not to spiritualize/Plato-inize the text to the extent some of the ECF did.

Is Christ the king yes or no?

 

[Mr GLee]

Is Christ the king yes or no?

Christ is (the invisible head as King of kings .

Not Jesus the Son of man he was used to show the invisible power of the Father (unseen )

 

[prism]

Is Christ the king yes or no?

Yes, the Risen ( visible, being fully incarnate) King. Do you believe he ascended in the flesh (Acts 1:11)?

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes, the Risen ( visible, being fully incarnate) King. Do you believe he ascended in the flesh (Acts 1:11)?

I would offer. .

Acts1 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in "like manner" as ye have seen him go into heaven.

I would think the "like manner" it represents the invisible things of God. And not after the manner of temporal dying things from earth . (flesh and blood.)

Like manner "method of handling" or rightly interpreting In this case walk by faith the eternal not by sight the temporal

John 6:62-63 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Ascend up where he was before. . . . .before prophecy was fulfilled at birth made visible .

Peter confirmed it. "To whom can we go you have the words of our Father (invisible head )words of eternal life . He did not say to whom shall we go you have the flesh and blood of eternal life .

John 6: 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

 

[prism]

I would offer. .

Acts1 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in "like manner" as ye have seen him go into heaven.

I would think the "like manner" it represents the invisible things of God. And not after the manner of temporal dying things from earth . (flesh and blood.)

Like manner "method of handling" or rightly interpreting In this case walk by faith the eternal not by sight the temporal

John 6:62-63 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Ascend up where he was before. . . . .before prophecy was fulfilled at birth made visible .

Peter confirmed it. "To whom can we go you have the words of our Father (invisible head )words of eternal life . He did not say to whom shall we go you have the flesh and blood of eternal life .

John 6: 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Mark 14:62 NKJV
Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."

Ezekiel 8:2-3 NKJV
Then I looked, and there was a likeness, like the appearance of fire-from the appearance of His waist and downward, fire; and from His waist and upward, like the appearance of brightness, like the color of amber. [3] He stretched out the form of a hand, and took me by a lock of my hair; and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven, and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the north gate of the inner court, where the seat of the image of jealousy was, which provokes to jealousy.

Revelation 1:12-15 NKJV
Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, [13] and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. [14] His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; [15] His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters;

Looks like much visible going-ons. Yes, Jesus has a spiritually transformed body but a body even mortals can see.
He redeemed our bodies so we would not be eternally living phantoms.

 

[Mr GLee]

Mark 14:62 NKJV
Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."

Hi I would offer, I Am, and you will see the voice of the father prophesying a vision of Son of man dying mankind who is on the side of power of the Father the invisible head Christ,

Coming in clouds coming as if in the presence of God (not seen) walk by faith the eternal things not seen .

 

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Hi I would offer, I Am, and you will see the voice of the father prophesying a vision of Son of man dying mankind who is on the side of power of the Father the invisible head Christ,

Coming in clouds coming as if in the presence of God (not seen) walk by faith the eternal things not seen .

And I would offer...

Revelation 1:7 NASB95
Behold, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

Not too invisible.

 

[Mr GLee]

And I would offer...

Revelation 1:7 NASB95
Behold, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

Not too invisible.

Not in a vision. a sign . .minds eye . Literally dead (asleep) for over 2000 years . His dying flesh returned to the dust where it came from Like ant human born of woman

Eternal God is not a Jewish man as King of kings

The invisible Head Christ alone is King of kings Lord of lords

The Son of man Jesus. . . born again as the Son of God .He died like any man living in a earthen vessel of death . Some did know the Spirit of Christ that worked in Jesus . But we can not know him that way ever again. The father will come like a thief in the night .No sign were given

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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[prism]

Eternal God is not a Jewish man as King of kings

Not the Lion from the Tribe of Judah?

Revelation 5:5 NKJV
But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."

If not, perhaps not a man at all?

 

[Mr GLee]

Not the Lion from the Tribe of Judah?

Revelation 5:5 NKJV
But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."

If not, perhaps not a man at all?

I would offer God is not a man like at all. Impossible

Remember the wrath of God comes because mankind even though given the instructions not to look to the temporal , dying things seen rather that the eternal invisible head. Christ the husband.

Many serve God as if he was a creature seen .It is the foundation of all the pagan religions of the world .

Romans 1:18-21 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, by faith the unseen eternal) they glorified him not as (invisible) God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (Jesus the Son of man) more than the invisible) Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

With that in mind God not uses the things seen to reveal his invisible power

Revelation 5: 5-6 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

In that way eternal God is neither a literal a lion or lamb slain. He is a Holy Spirit that pours out his Spirit on the temporal dying mankind
he has given us the tool needed to rightly divide prophecy and give us his spirit understanding hid from the lost

A must 20/20 tool for any study

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

If no mixing of the two. . .Temporal and eternal. Then a person forfeits the rest spoken of in Hebrew 4 :2-3

 

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I would offer God is not a man like at all. Impossible

But Jesus is the God/man...fully God/fully man. (mixing eternal and temporal?)
Sorry, Gnosticism, just isn't my cup of tea.

 

[Mr GLee]

But Jesus is the God/man...fully God/fully man. (mixing eternal and temporal?)
Sorry, Gnosticism, just isn't my cup of tea.

Hi thanks not mine also .I hope.

The faithful eternal Father who remains without mother and father, without descent, without beginning of Spirit life or end thereof, As a work of
His Faith or labor of love said "let there be flesh to cover a spirit" and "it was God breathed alone good "

It was not the creation that said "let there be a creator" and it was "dying mankind not so good . .dead". God is not a man .

A pagan tradition witnessed by Cain .Out of sight out of mind as in who in there right mind would serve a invisible God. . His anser to the Lord. .I no not where by bro Abel is ,destroy all the evidences