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Free Choice to Accept or Reject?

Regarding the issue of reprobation, we all have to deal with this verse.

and "A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense." They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do. (1Peter 2:8 ESV)

The above quote is scripture, so everyone needs to at least come away from reading it with a view of its meaning. We all have to affirm what it says, or we are fighting God's word.
 
You're right! puppies are much cuter :ROFLMAO:

But in all seriousness, you have failed to even begin addressing the main point of the analogy. Do you not know what analogies and metaphors are?
Yes, I know what analogies and metaphors are. Analogies and metaphors are not always good analogies and metaphors.
Five puppies are for sale and I can only have one. I choose one.
When @Arial said, "and I can only have one", that negated the analogy of having any rational reference or relation to God. Scripture never says or suggests that there is any preassigned limit to the number of those whom God can or will save. Further discussion of the analogy would be meaningless, or even worse it would lead to the wrong conclusion, which in the case of the post #125 it did.
 
Regarding the issue of reprobation, we all have to deal with this verse.

and "A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense." They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do. (1Peter 2:8 ESV)

The above quote is scripture, so everyone needs to at least come away from reading it with a view of its meaning. We all have to affirm what it says, or we are fighting God's word.
Those who disobeyed were destined to stumble and fall. They were not destined to disobey. The entire passage, 1 Peter 2:1-12, is a discussion of the effects of obedience and disobedience, believing in God and obedience versus disbelieving and disobedience.

The one who trusts in God will not be put to shame (v.6), the one who does not trust in God will be put to shame.
 
When @Arial said, "and I can only have one", that negated the analogy of having any rational reference or relation to God. Scripture never says or suggests that there is any preassigned limit to the number of those whom God can or will save. Further discussion of the analogy would be meaningless, or even worse it would lead to the wrong conclusion, which in the case of the post #125 it did.
Really JIM? The analogy was not an analogy of God or even salvation. It was an analogy about the difference in actively choosing, and what is not chosen, with a question, meant to cause you to think through something. Read it again.
Five puppies are for sale and I can only have one. I choose one. Does that mean that I actively chose not to choose any of the other four? Did I sit there and first say, "Not you, not you, not you, not you. That leaves you number five." There are a lot of things one could speculate about that analogy, all of them irrelevant, as I am making a point. Remember what God is choosing for. Who to give to the Son who will pay the highest price possible, his own suffering and death, to purchase them for the Father.
And here is another question. If you were the one choosing puppies---or kittens, or shirts, of houses, or a wife----would you consider yourself evil, unjust, unfair, for not choosing all?

And to take it away from the analogy, (go back and read that first part of the sentence again, then continue); God is electing who his Son will die for and who will live in his house. Surely God most of all has that right. You do. I do. Your neighbor does.
 
Yes, really! Your post was a response to my post # 122 about a reprobate, i.e., not God's chosen.
You are very, very selective about what you quote and respond to. Why is it that you avoid real discussions about real things? What you ignore is duly noted.
 
Of course. Who aren't?
All those who are attempting to have a conversation with you.
And you are the one who decides what are real things and what are not? Like choosing puppies?
Real things are the actual content and points of anyone's post. Choosing puppies was a point being made that you surely got but chose to pretend you didn't in order to belittle a poster. The "real things" as you also very well know, is the content and questions (that have yet to be answered) of what followed.
 
All those who are attempting to have a conversation with you.

Real things are the actual content and points of anyone's post. Choosing puppies was a point being made that you surely got but chose to pretend you didn't in order to belittle a poster. The "real things" as you also very well know, is the content and questions (that have yet to be answered) of what followed.
I don't feel the need to address each and every item in any given post that I choose to respond to.
 
I don't feel the need to address each and every item in any given post that I choose to respond to.
Obviously you don't. The question is why not? And why is it you never answer questions that are asked of you?

I don't know what your motive or intent is in being here, but for those of us who are attempting to interact with you, it has to do with what we do post when we are refuting your posts. In other words, to have a conversation about the subject matter----which is not puppies. Is a conversation between persons ever only about one person stating and restating their own view and refusing to discuss what anyone else has to say? Personally, I am fed up with the disingenuousness of persons who do that, and in doing that, remove all purpose of a forum from the forum.

And just so you know----the only ones who do that (what you do) are those who can't answer questions or support their view because they are antithetical to what the Bible teaches. You will find that with Unitarians and those attempting to refute Calvinism/Reformed.
 
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I don't feel the need to address each and every item in any given post that I choose to respond to.
How about just the meat of the post so that a conversation is possible. How about even just answer the questions asked?
 
How about just the meat of the post so that a conversation is possible. How about even just answer the questions asked?
I present what I think I need to in order make the points I intend.
 
nterpreting the Bible as completely allegorical will never arrive at its meaning.

Hi thanks I would offer.

Denying that without parables the signified understanding, Christ spoke not would take some work on your behalf .

A source of faith. Parable = Comparing the temporal things seen a sign. The dying historical true compared to the unseen eternal Spirit which again without Christ our teacher spoke not .The signified understanding not of our own dying selves. .

A person would have to show a parable is not in view .Hiding the gospel understanding from those who seek after lying signs to wonder after as if they were prophecy (sola scriptura)

Lying signs to wonder after on the rise today working overtime to deceive the unredeemed.

Luke (Luke 18:8) when he comes on the last day under the Sun will he find faith or lying sign to wonder after (I saw Christ. ..I had a dream. . I heard a voice, my hand itched. ..

Parables teach how to walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God the Holy Father

In that way don't through out the parables with the water of the word
 
I present what I think I need to in order make the points I intend.
And no one else matters but you? Just stop responding to my posts if you can't deal with what I say or answer any of the questions I ask.
 
You compare salvation of mankind to buying puppies! ! ! !
Do you have an argument?

You should have known she was arguing the 'logistics' of syntax. Personally, I think you did know, but you didn't have an argument but to point at a red herring.
 
Yes, I know what analogies and metaphors are. Analogies and metaphors are not always good analogies and metaphors.

When @Arial said, "and I can only have one", that negated the analogy of having any rational reference or relation to God. Scripture never says or suggests that there is any preassigned limit to the number of those whom God can or will save. Further discussion of the analogy would be meaningless, or even worse it would lead to the wrong conclusion, which in the case of the post #125 it did.

Hi Jim .

I would offer from another perspective or avenue'

As many as the Father had given to the Son. They alone empowered by the Father can come .Not one more or less

Follow the etched in stone law. . . the paper trail

Three books .

(1) The bible .The source of the faith (power).. . . Christ's labor of love as it is faithfully written

(2) The book of life, every name written down of that he would create (let there be)

(3) The lambs book of life the names of born again believers

Whosever name is not fond in the lambs book of life will be erased from the book of life all of mankind . When the two books are compared they will be the same .Those elected from the foundation written in both books . It would be like they were never born

Christ the husband was slain as the lamb of God from the foundation .The 6 days he did work. Outwardly demonstrated three days and nights thousands of years later, in the valley garden of Gethemenane and the hill of the Skull

Judas' name was written in the book of life, but was later blotted out.

First spoken of in Daniel

Daniel 12:1-3King James Version And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Revlation13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Psalms69: 28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Jesus demonstrating writing and erasing .Power of life and death

John 8:6-8 King James Version This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

Again follow the two paper trails . Two the word that denotes one God has spoken

Christ on Mount Sinai etched out two tablets wrote with his finger (let there be) on both, two sides with no room for I heard it through the grape vine. Oral traditons

When he came down they were worshiping oral traditons. Christ moved Moses to brake the first two tablets that represent covenant of law death .And had Moses hewn out two new tablets to represent the new testament both working as one. Then again with the finger of God Christ wrote the same words writen on both sides with no room for orals traditons.

A person could say; to the law and its witness the prophets (sola scriptura) Or to Moses the law giver and Elias to represent the prophets

Peter a sign and wonder seeker misunderstood the parable the spiritual understanding hid .Peter thought he could box in a eternal Spirit

Matthew 17:3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias
 
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