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Flesh Versus The Spirit.

Ritajanice

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This is the real living word of God.....it’s something we experience when we become Born Again....that’s my understanding of it.

Can we discuss it and what it means please?

If Admin allows...I don’t mind if we discuss what sanctification means as well?

[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


Romans 6:19​

New American Standard Bible​

19 I am speaking [a]in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented [b]the parts of your body as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, [c]resulting in further lawlessness, so now present [d]your body’s parts as slaves to righteousness, [e]resulting in sanctification.
 
Try the acronym T.H.I.N.K. the next time you are not sure whether or not you should say something.

  • T – Is it Truthful?
  • H – Is it Helpful?
  • I – Is it Inspiring?
  • N – Is it Necessary?
  • K – Is it Kind?
Instead of speaking evil of someone, we are to “be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another.”

“But they don’t deserve that!”

True, but neither do you or I—yet God still forgave us.

Paul concludes Ephesians 4:32 by saying, “…just as God through Christ has forgiven you.”

Forgiven people should be forgiving people. Otherwise, we are grieving the Spirit.

3 Surprising Ways to Grieve the Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is often described as light. He shines into the dark places of the heart and convicts us of sin (John 16:7-11). He is a lamp to illumine God’s word, teaching what is true and showing the truth to be precious (1 Cor. 2:6-16). And the Spirit throws a spotlight on Christ so that we can see his glory and be changed (John 16:14). That’s why 2 Corinthians 3:18 speaks of becoming more like Christ by beholding the glory of Christ. Just as Moses had his face transfigured when he saw the Lord’s glory on Mount Sinai (Ex. 34:29; 2 Cor. 3:7), so will we be transformed when, by the Spirit, we behold God’s glory in the face of Christ.

The Spirit, then, is a light to us in three ways: by exposing our guilt, by illuminating the word of God, and by showing us Christ. Or to put it another way, as Divine Light, the Holy Spirit works to reveal sin, reveal the truth, and reveal glory. When we close our eyes to this light or disparage what we are meant to see by this brightness, we are guilty of resisting the Spirit (Acts 7:51), or quenching (1 Thess. 5:19) or grieving the Spirit (Eph. 4:30). There may be slight nuances among the three terms, but they all speak of the same basic reality: refusing to see and to savor what the Spirit means to show us.

There are, then, at least three ways to grieve the Holy Spirit—three ways that may be surprising because they correspond to the three ways in which the Spirit acts as a light to expose our guilt, illumine the word, and show us Christ.

First, we grieve the Holy Spirit when we use him to excuse our sinfulness. The Spirit is meant to be the source of conviction in human hearts. How sad it is, therefore, when Christians try to use the Spirit to support ungodly behavior. We see it when people—whether genuinely deceived or purposeful charlatans—claim the leading of the Spirit as the reason for their unbiblical divorce, or for their financial impropriety, or for their new found sexual liberation. The Holy Spirit is always the Spirit of holiness. He means to show us our sin not to excuse it through subjective feelings, spontaneous impressions, and wish fulfillment disguised as enlightened spirituality. If the Holy Spirit is grieved when we turn from righteousness to sin, how doubly grieved he must be when we claim the Spirit’s authority for such deliberate rebellion.

Second, we grieve the Holy Spirit when we pit him against the Scriptures. The Spirit works to reveal the truth of the word of God, not to lead us away from it. There is no place in the Christian life for supposing or suggesting that careful attention to the Bible is somehow antithetical to earnest devotion to the Holy Spirit. Anyone wishing to honor the Spirit would do well to honor the Scriptures he inspired and means to illuminate.

Sometimes Christians will cite the promise in John 16:13 that the Spirit “will guide you into all the truth” as a reason to expect that the third person of the Trinity will give us new insights not found in the Scripture. But the “truth” referred to in John 16 is the whole truth about everything bound up in Jesus Christ, the way, the truth, and the life. The Spirit will unpack the things that are to come, insofar as he will reveal to the apostles (see v. 12) the significance of Jesus’ death, resurrection, and exaltation. The Spirit, speaking for the Father and the Son, would help the apostles remember what Jesus said and understand the true meaning of who Jesus is and what he accomplished (John 14:26).

This means that the Spirit is responsible for the truths the apostles preached and that in turn were written down in what we now call the New Testament. We trust the Bible—and do not need to go beyond the Bible—because the apostles, and those under the umbrella of their authority, wrote the Bible by means of the Spirit’s revelation. The Bible is the Spirit’s book. To insist on exegetical precision, theological rigor, and careful attention to the word of God should never be denigrated as stuffing our heads full of knowledge, let alone as somehow opposed to the real work of the Spirit.

Third, we grieve the Holy Spirit when we suggest he is jealous of our focus on Christ. The Holy Spirit’s work is to serve. He speaks only what he hears (John 16:13). He declares what he is given; his mission is to glorify another (John 16:14). All three persons of the Trinity are fully God, yet in the divine economy the Son makes known the Father and the Spirit glorifies the Son. Yes, it is a terrible thing to be ignorant about the Spirit and unwise to overlook the indispensable role he plays in our lives. But we must not think we can focus on Christ too much or that when we exalt Christ to the glory of God the Father that somehow the Spirit is sulking off in the corner. The Spirit means to shine a light on Christ; he is not envious to stand in the light himself.

Exulting in Christ, focusing on Christ, speaking much, and singing often of Christ are not evidence of the Spirit’s dismissal but of the Spirit’s work. If the symbol of the church is the cross and not the dove, that’s because the Spirit would have it that way. As J. I. Packer puts it, The Spirit’s message to us is never, ‘Look at me; listen to me; come to me; get to know me,’ but always, ‘Look at him, and see his glory; listen to him, and hear his word; go to him, and have life; get to know him, and taste his gift of joy and peace.’”Christianity.com

hope this helps !!!
 
Is our thought life being controlled by the flesh or by the Spirit ?

Thoughts are the most private parts of our human experience. No one else can know our thoughts unless we communicate them, so we tend to imagine that anything we think is safe, as long as it stays in our minds. But there is one Person who always knows what we are thinking; God knows everything about us, and He also knows our thoughts.

God knows our thoughts no matter who or where we are. Psalm 139 begins this way: “O LORD, you have searched me and known me! You know when I sit down and when I rise up; you discern my thoughts from afar” (verses 1–2). God searches the hearts and minds of people, seeking those whose hearts are turned toward Him (Jeremiah 12:3; 1 Chronicles 29:17; Acts 15:8). Two of the Ten Commandments deal with our thoughts. The first commandment is to have no other gods before the Lord (Exodus 20:3). That is a heart matter. The tenth commandment warns us not to covet what others have (Exodus 20:17). Coveting is also a sin of our thoughts. When Jesus walked the earth, He knew people’s thoughts and answered before they even verbalized their questions (Matthew 9:4; 12:25; Luke 9:47; 11:17). In this way, Jesus exhibited the divine trait of omniscience.

It can be intimidating to realize that God knows our thoughts. He knows the angry thoughts, lustful thoughts, vengeful ideas, secret greed, and hidden coveting. God also knows about those secret longings, hopeful desires, and private dreams. And He understands. First John 3:20 assures us that “if our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.” Sometimes we are harder on ourselves than God is. He knows we are frail humans made from dirt and born with a sin nature (Psalm 103:14).

If we have given our lives to Christ, then we should find comfort in remembering that our loving Father knows us better than we know ourselves. God knows our desire to please Him (Psalm 37:23), even though we stumble at it. Within that loving relationship, we have confidence to cry, “Search me, God, and know my heart; test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there is any offensive way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting” (Psalm 139:23–24). We don’t have to be afraid of being vulnerable to our Creator. And there’s no sense in trying to hide things from Him. Whatever the issue, He already knows about it and wants us to feel safe enough to confess our thoughts to Him (Psalm 50:15; 91:15; 1 John 5:14–15). God knows our thoughts, and He helps us to know ourselves better when we talk them over with Him.got?

hope this helps !!!
 
Try the acronym T.H.I.N.K. the next time you are not sure whether or not you should say something.

  • T – Is it Truthful?
  • H – Is it Helpful?
  • I – Is it Inspiring?
  • N – Is it Necessary?
  • K – Is it Kind?
Instead of speaking evil of someone, we are to “be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another.”

“But they don’t deserve that!”

True, but neither do you or I—yet God still forgave us.

Paul concludes Ephesians 4:32 by saying, “…just as God through Christ has forgiven you.”

Forgiven people should be forgiving people. Otherwise, we are grieving the Spirit.
Thanks for posting @civic ......how do we forgive in our own strength....don’t we rely on the Spirit to change/ soften our heart/ spirit to forgive?

He does say we can do nothing without him?...🙂

We have that new nature..yet still that old nature the flesh is in us....I’m trying to understand it.
 
@civic ...I’m trying to understand our new nature...is it the thinking of our old nature..is that called the flesh?

We have that new nature....yet we battle with the old nature that is the mind?...is that correct ?
 
Thanks for posting @civic ......how do we forgive in our own strength....don’t we rely on the Spirit to change/ soften our heart/ spirit to forgive?

He does say we can do nothing without him?...🙂
1-Its a command for us to obey
2- We obey Him because we love Him
3- Because we love Him we desire to please Him
4- The Holy Spirit convicts us, guides, us, leads us and enables us
5- When we walk in the Spirit we will not carry out the desires of the flesh
 
1-Its a command for us to obey
2- We obey Him because we love Him
3- Because we love Him we desire to please Him
4- The Holy Spirit convicts us, guides, us, leads us and enables us
5- When we walk in the Spirit we will not carry out the desires of the flesh
Amen!!...Love it!...thank you Brother..🙏💗
 
@civic ...I’m trying to understand our new nature...is it the thinking of our old nature..is that called the flesh?

We have that new nature....yet we battle with the old nature that is the mind?
Yes for example one of my fleshly weaknesses is I like to be right, I like to debate and prove others wrong, I'm very competitive in everything. So I must always recognize that is how I'm naturally wired and keep that in check and not feed that desire when it can effect others in a negative way.

The old sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me is a BIG LIE. Words can be devastating/crippling and we can break the spirit of a child through verbal abuse. We must be very careful with our words and how we talk to others. The Bible has much to say about this topic on how we talk to others.
 
Yes for example one of my fleshly weaknesses is I like to be right, I like to debate and prove others wrong, I'm very competitive in everything. So I must always recognize that is how I'm naturally wired and keep that in check and not feed that desire when it can effect others in a negative way.

The old sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me is a BIG LIE. Words can be devastating/crippling and we can break the spirit of a child through verbal abuse. We must be very careful with our words and how we talk to others. The Bible has much to say about this topic on how we talk to others.
Excellent..completely understand what you are saying here....🙏💗
 
Excellent..completely understand what you are saying here....🙏💗
I like to give practical examples when I get the opportunity. Since we all all human we can all relate to each others weaknesses. Something you struggle with might not be what I struggle with but we can all understand one another's struggles..
 
@civic ...do you believe we can stop growing or be at a standstill ...because of Pride/ ego....that some of us want to hold onto.?

Just speaking from my own experience with the Lord.
 
@civic ...do you believe we can stop growing or be at a standstill ...because of Pride/ ego....that some of us want to hold onto.?

Just speaking from my own experience with the Lord.
I believe we can stunt our spiritual growth and get stagnant. Paul says that to the Corinthians they should no longer need milk and choke on the meat. That is being stunted in ones growth and maturity. Hebrews says the same thing.
 
I believe we can stunt our spiritual growth and get stagnant. Paul says that to the Corinthians they should no longer need milk and choke on the meat. That is being stunted in ones growth and maturity. Hebrews says the same thing.
Amen!!...I believe that as well...
 
@civic ...I’m trying to understand our new nature...is it the thinking of our old nature..is that called the flesh?

We have that new nature....yet we battle with the old nature that is the mind?...is that correct ?
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Romans 7:17 KJV

This has to be true of a Christian in some sense. In a way, the Born Again Christian is Bipolar. The New Man we are versus the Old Man we used to be; at the same time...

Jesus said when he is our Foundation, the works we were Born Again/Created for, will be tested by fire. Our Post Salvific Works are either like Gold, Silver, and Jewels; or like wood, hay and stubble. I say to you, your New Man earns Gold, Silver and Jewels; but it is the Old Man who still lurks in you Known as Remaining Sin, who earns wood, hay and stubble for you...

You'll find that some Christians will tell you that Saint Paul was speaking in the Past Tense when he said Sin dwelt in him; that he didn't mean to teach Us Sin dwells in you now, taking the Lead from time to time. It's up to you to decide; but I think you know that WHEN you Sin, he will cleanse you. When desire drags you away and Sin Conceives Death; your Lord God will Forgive you...

@Carbon @TibiasDad
 
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Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Romans 7:17 KJV

Paul contines to teach more, and didn't stop where you stopped.

He contines to tell us that this old man of sin, is DEAD, "crucified with Christ".

He concludes his teaching, not with..."that which i hate i do".. as so many who dont study their bible, teach....but rather Paul continues and explains that the issue with that "sinning and confessing" nonsense is that the person is trying to perform by self effort, what can only be accomplished like this..

"i can do all things through Christ"

"Christ ALWAYS, gives me the Victory".

So, Paul continued to teach well past the "that which i hate, that i do".. part, where seeming, most of Christianity stopped reading.

i suspect the Legalistic commentary that taught them stopped right there, and that is the issue.
 
He concludes his teaching, not with..."that which i hate i do".. as so many who dont study their bible, teach....but rather Paul continues and explains that the issue with that "sinning and confessing" nonsense is that the person is trying to perform by self effort, what can only be accomplished like this..
I don’t understand this confession of sins either...when they have already been forgiven..when we became Born Again by God....Jesus has all my sin...he took them all ,when he was nailed to the cross?..

It takes time to study and understand the word of God Brother, as it must be revealed to the heart/ spirit, by the Holy Spirit himself, through his living word the Bible.

And still I’m learning and understanding his word....I rely on some of you teachers as well..that God speaks to me through you more mature ones...I still feel like I’m on milk....and I know..I shouldn’t go by feelings.LOL.
 
I don’t understand this confession of sins either..

What creates this false doctrinal idea that we are to confess sin that is already dealt with 2000 yrs ago by Christ on the Cross is simply bad theological teaching that is universally applied to the Church.
Christians, from border to border and around the world are taught, based on 2 verses... that their Christianity is... "Sin, Confess, Repeat".

What happened is.....Some really bad teachers/theologians, (Legalists) took these 2 verses and ruined the faith of most Believers.

1.) "that which i would do i can't and that which hate i Do".

So, that is from Paul. and that is just the very beginning of what Paul continues to teach, and these horrible bible teachers didn't read farther.
They stopped there, Paul didnt.

And then, next.... they jammed that verse into this one.. and came up with a way to keep a believer deceived and confessing sin and repeating, their entire life, after they are born again, just as the Devil would have them doing it., vs, living in VICTORY, "made free from sin", as Paul teaches.

Here is part 2 of the cult teaching that keeps most believers tied down as "sin, confess, repeat".

2.) 1 John 1:9.., that talks about "if we say we have no sin" = that is not talking to the Christian.

Reader, read 1 John 3:9, as that one is for YOU... Do that one.

So, those 2 verses are combined to create this horrible cult theology of..."sin, confess, repeat" is "Christianity.
ALL it is........ is BONDAGE and Deception.
 
As the word of God says @Behold .

1 John 3:9
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

New Living Translation
Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

English Standard Version
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Standard Bible
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Literal Bible
Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God.

King James Bible
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

New King James Version
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
 
1 John 1:8-10
Isn’t this speaking about our old sin nature?

The Holy Spirit can’t indwell a sinner can he?

As a Born Again we are in the righteousness of Christ?

Thanks for posting...maybe @David1701 @Behold can also help me better understand..

1 John 1:8-10 KJV​

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Then there is this scripture Brother, that makes perfect sense to me.

1 John 3:9
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

New Living Translation
Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

English Standard Version
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Standard Bible
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
 
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