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Evangelism and the Law

Sin is walking contrary to the law of God. The Covenant Law that he gave Moses reflected fully who he is so that we know what sin is.
Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits, such as with unrighteousness being sin, and sin is what is contrary to the Law of Moses because it was given in order to teach us how to know and be known by God through embodying His character traits.

But the Covenant Law also consisted of a legal code (like the laws of a nation or state) that was unique to them---not universal.
In Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles were are one time separated from Christ, alienated from Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in this world, which is in accordance with Gentiles at one times not being doers of the Law of Moses, but through faith in Christ all of that is no longer true in that Gentiles are no longer strangers or aliens but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God, which is in accordance with Gentiles becoming doers of the Law of Moses.

There was a penal code attached to disobeying that law that became obsolete along with the OT covenant when Jesus became mediator of a New Covenant that has no legal code.
God's righteousness is eternal (Psalm 119:142), therefore all of God's righteous laws are also eternal (Psalms 119:160), and the only way for instructions for how to embody God's righteousness to become obsolete would be if God's eternal righteousness were to become obsolete. In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts, and in Ezekiel 36:26-27, it involves God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so the New Covenant has the same legal code.

That does not mean we are out from under the law of God. It means that those things that were unique to Israel in worship which includes dietary and feast/festival days, are no longer in effect.
In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3) and refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45), and the only way for God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy to become no longer in effect would be if God's eternal holiness were to become no longer in effect. The only way that we should cease to celebrate God's holy days would be if what they teach us about God were to cease to be true.

They have fulfilled their full purpose in Christ's perfect obedience, in purchasing a people for God through his death and bringing them into the New Covenant.
he purpose of the Mosaic Law is to graciously teach us how to know and be known by God and Jesus through embodying His character traits, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3), and it will continue to have this purpose for as long as God's character traits remain eternal.

In Matthew 4:14-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to Gentiles. and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is central part of the Gospel message. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealot for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through his ministry and through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20) while the way to reject everything he accomplished would be by returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from. The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify the Gospel or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused the New Covenant to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 36:26-27).

Grace, through faith, not of works. The old covenant Law was works.
In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith and the Mosaic Covenant is a covenant of grace and law along with all of God's other covenants.
 
Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits, such as with unrighteousness being sin, and sin is what is contrary to the Law of Moses because it was given in order to teach us how to know and be known by God through embodying His character traits.
What exactly are you trying to say by stipulating the Mosaic Law? Are you trying to say that anything short of obedience to the Mosaic laws of the Mosaic covenant, even now is sin?

In what way does it teach us how to know and be known by God? I am not necessarily saying it
doesn't but I don't know precisely what you mean.
In Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles were are one time separated from Christ, alienated from Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in this world, which is in accordance with Gentiles at one times not being doers of the Law of Moses, but through faith in Christ all of that is no longer true in that Gentiles are no longer strangers or aliens but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God, which is in accordance with Gentiles becoming doers of the Law of Moses.
It wasn't that they were not doers of the Law of Moses---they had never been given the Law of Moses. They were not in a covenant relationship with God because he had not made a covenant with them. And if this new covenant that includes the Gentile's through faith now requires them to be doers of the Law of Moses, the "through faith" is meaningless. It is again a covenant of works like the Mosaic covenant.
God's righteousness is eternal (Psalm 119:142), therefore all of God's righteous laws are also eternal (Psalms 119:160), and the only way for instructions for how to embody God's righteousness to become obsolete would be if God's eternal righteousness were to become obsolete.
God's righteous laws are eternal, but you seem to be equating that with the old covenant Mosaic Law. The covenant became obsolete not God's righteousness. God's righteousness that we are to be obedient to fills the pages of the epistles without works of the Law. And apart from the works of the Law. It is through union with Christ and the indwelling of the Spirit---God at work in us----that we become progressively obedient to the precepts given us in the NT. None of which contradict the very same righteousness presented in the old covenant.
In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3) and refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45), and the only way for God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy to become no longer in effect would be if God's eternal holiness were to become no longer in effect. The only way that we should cease to celebrate God's holy days would be if what they teach us about God were to cease to be true.
You deeply misunderstand. To show how much I will ask a question. Does refraining from eating unclean meats make a person holy? Has it ever made anyone holy? The same with the holy days. To insist that is so is to greatly diminish the work that Jesus did and the fruit of his labor. Why is it that Paul gives a whole discourse on that very thing and conclude by saying that it counts the work of Christ and Christ himself as insufficient?
he purpose of the Mosaic Law is to graciously teach us how to know and be known by God and Jesus through embodying His character traits, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3), and it will continue to have this purpose for as long as God's character traits remain eternal.
We only know God through Jesus and it is not by embodying his character traits. And it is not by embodying his character traits that we obtain eternal life. It is by believing God when he tells us in his word that the Son laid down his life for us as a ransom to purchase us for his kingdom. That he stood in our place, taking our punishment for our sins, making propitiation satisfying God's justice. By grace you are saved through faith, a gift from God, not our own doing, and not of works. The Law has much to teach us even today that is true, but that does not mean we are under it. We are under grace. Your statement above removes grace entirely and it removes all-purpose in Christ's sacrificial atonement.
The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify the Gospel or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused the New Covenant to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 36:26-27).
Then it isn't a new covenant. It is the old one with a martyr on a cross. But there is so much convoluted theology in that statement that I don't feel like untangling it. I have picked up that your main intention is to pick up where the Judaizers left off in various apostolic congregations and insist on salvation requires obedience to old coveanat ordinances and laws. And I am not going to argue the issue with you for this simple reason. Romans 14
 
What exactly are you trying to say by stipulating the Mosaic Law? Are you trying to say that anything short of obedience to the Mosaic laws of the Mosaic covenant, even now is sin?
It is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20) because sin is what is contrary to God's character traits it was given in order to teach us how to embody His character traits.

In what way does it teach us how to know and be known by God? I am not necessarily saying it
doesn't but I don't know precisely what you mean.
The Hebrew word "yada" refers to intimate relationships/knowledge gained through experience, such as with Genesis 4:1 where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave brith to Cain. God's way is the way to know and be known by God and Jesus through experiencing being a doer of His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, Good knew (yada) Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised, and in 1 Kings 2:1-3, God taught how to walk in His way through the Mosaic Law.

It wasn't that they were not doers of the Law of Moses---they had never been given the Law of Moses. They were not in a covenant relationship with God because he had not made a covenant with them. And if this new covenant that includes the Gentile's through faith now requires them to be doers of the Law of Moses, the "through faith" is meaningless. It is again a covenant of works like the Mosaic covenant.
Gentiles no longer being strangers to the covenants of promises involves coming under them. There is a reality that is true about the way to embody God's character traits that was true before God made any covenants with man, that has been revealed through God's covenants, and that is true regardless of which covenant someone is under. God's righteousness is eternal, so if someone has the goal of knowing God through embodying His righteousness, then they will consider any instructions that God has given for how to do that to be eternal and cumulatively valid.

New covenants do not nullify the promises of covenants that have already been ratified, so God's covenants are eternal and cumulatively valid. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it is cumulative with it. One thing can only make another thing obsolete to the extent that it has cumulative functionality, so a computer makes a typewriter obsolete but does not make a plow obsolete, which means that if the New Covenant involved doing something different that was not cumulative with the Mosaic Covenant, then it could not make it obsolete. So the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is cumulatively based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6). The New Covenant is still made with the same God with the same character traits, so we should not expect it to come with a different set of laws for how to be a doer of a different set of character traits.

All of God's covenants are covenants of grace, faith, and of works.

God's righteous laws are eternal, but you seem to be equating that with the old covenant Mosaic Law. The covenant became obsolete not God's righteousness. God's righteousness that we are to be obedient to fills the pages of the epistles without works of the Law. And apart from the works of the Law. It is through union with Christ and the indwelling of the Spirit---God at work in us----that we become progressively obedient to the precepts given us in the NT. None of which contradict the very same righteousness presented in the old covenant.
The fact that all of God's righteous laws are eternal, means that what the Mosaic Law teaches us about the way to embody God's righteousness is eternally valid. The only way to attain a character trait is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result, but what it means to have a character trait is be a doer of works that embody that trait. The Law of Moses was not given as a way of becoming righteous even as the result of perfect obedience, but rather it was given in order to teach how to be a doer of righteous works, so it describes the life of someone who is righteous as it describes the life of Christ (1 John 3:4-7, Isaiah 51:7). This is why the faith by which we are declared righteous apart from works also upholds our need to be a doer of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Romans 3:28-31). The Law of Moses was given to teach us how to be a doer of God's character traits and God's character traits are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it under the New Covenant (Ezekiel 36:26-27).
You deeply misunderstand. To show how much I will ask a question. Does refraining from eating unclean meats make a person holy? Has it ever made anyone holy? The same with the holy days. To insist that is so is to greatly diminish the work that Jesus did and the fruit of his labor. Why is it that Paul gives a whole discourse on that very thing and conclude by saying that it counts the work of Christ and Christ himself as insufficient?
Similarly, the Law of Moses was not given as a way of becoming holy even as the result of having perfect obedience to it, but rather it was given teach how to be a doer of holy works, so it describes the life of someone who is holy and there are many verses calling Gentiles to be holy. The only way to become holy is through faith. Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example, so there is nothing about following what he taught that diminishes his labor or that makes him or his work insufficient, but just the opposite.

We only know God through Jesus and it is not by embodying his character traits. And it is not by embodying his character traits that we obtain eternal life. It is by believing God when he tells us in his word that the Son laid down his life for us as a ransom to purchase us for his kingdom. That he stood in our place, taking our punishment for our sins, making propitiation satisfying God's justice. By grace you are saved through faith, a gift from God, not our own doing, and not of works. The Law has much to teach us even today that is true, but that does not mean we are under it. We are under grace. Your statement above removes grace entirely and it removes all-purpose in Christ's sacrificial atonement.
We embody what we believe to be true about God through our works, such as with James 2:18 saying that he would show his works through his faith, so everyone who is a doer of the same works as James believes in Jesus. In other words, the way to believe in God is also by being a doer of his character traits. For example, by being a doer of good works in obedience to the Law of Moses we are embodying God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by embodying God's goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good. Likewise, the way to believe that God is compassionate is by being compassionate (Luke 6:36), the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy (1 Peter 1:16), and so forth. This is exactly the same as the way to believe in the Son, who is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses. This is why the Bible frequently connects our faith in God with our obedience to Him, such as with Revelation 14:12, where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments, and it is by this faith alone that we attain the character traits of God.

Again, Psalms 119:29-30 shows us what has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith alone. In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of those works in obedience to the Law of Moses is part of the content of His gift of salvation. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross is also by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20). There is nothing about by statement that removes grace or Christ's atonement.

Then it isn't a new covenant. It is the old one with a martyr on a cross. But there is so much convoluted theology in that statement that I don't feel like untangling it.
In Deuteronomy 30, it forms the basis for the New Covenant by prophesying about a time when the Israelites would return from exile, God would circumcise their hearts, and they would return to obedience to the Law of Moses, which is what Jeremiah 31:33 and Ezekiel 36:26-27 are in regard to. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant for the purpose of nullifying anything that he spent his ministry teaching.

I have picked up that your main intention is to pick up where the Judaizers left off in various apostolic congregations and insist on salvation requires obedience to old coveanat ordinances and laws.
The problem that Paul had with the Judaizers was not that they were teaching Gentiles how to follow what Christ taught but that they were wanting to require Gentiles to obey works of the law in order to become justified, so I completely agree with Paul's opposition to them. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Law of Moses that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so there is a direct connection between our salvation and being a doer of the Law of Moses, but the Law of Moses was not given as a way of earning our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to it.

And I am not going to argue the issue with you for this simple reason. Romans 14
In Romans 14:1, the topic of the chapter is in regard to how to handle disputable matters of opinion in which God has given no command, not in regard to whether followers of God should follow God, so nothing in the chapter should be interpreted as speaking against following God. For example, in Romans 14:2-3, they were judging and resenting each other based on whether or not someone chose to eat only vegetables even though God gave no command to do that. So Romans 14 has nothing to do with the topic we have been discussing in this thread.
 
In Exodus 33:13, it does not say that Mose wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to know about Him, but to know Him. The Hebrew word "yada" used in that verse refers to intimate relationships and knowledge gained by experience, such as with Genesis 4:1 where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived and gave brith to Cain. God's way is the way to know (yada) and be known by Him and Jesus by experiencing embodying His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew (yada) Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. So when we embody God's righteousness through being a doer of the Mosaic Law we are gaining experience knowledge of God. The Mosaic Law being God's instructions for how to have an intimate relationship with Him is in accordance with the Mosaic Covenant often being described as being a marriage between God and Israel, such as with God saying that he was her husband (Jeremiah 31:32).


In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did not know (yada) God and refused to know Him because in 9:13, they had forsaken the Mosaic Law while in 9:24, those who know God know that He delights in being a doer of steadfast love, righteousness, and justice in all of the earth, so the way to know God is by delighting in being a doer of God's character traits in obedience to the Torah.

This is also the way to know the Son, who is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law. This is also why those who say that they know Jesus but don't obey his commandments are liars (1 John 2:6) and why those who continue to be doers of sin in transgression of the Mosaic Law have neither seen nor known him (1 John 3:4-6).

This is also in accordance with Jeremiah 31:33-34 connecting God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts with everyone knowing God.


Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them because the Mosaic Law is God's instructions for how to know and be known by him and it does not work to interpret Galatians 4:7-11 as Paul criticizing them for returning to following God's instructions for how to know and be known by Him. Rather the fact that they formerly did not know God and were slaves to those who by nature are not gods mean that they were former pagans who were not formerly obeying the Mosaic Law and that Paul could not have been criticizing the for returning to it. The fact that they had come to know and be known by God means that they had become doers of the Mosaic Law in accordance with hearing and believing the Gospel, but were returning to celebrating pagan holy days. You have no grounds for claiming that the same principle applies to God's holy days. If you agree that Paul was a servant of God, then you should be opposed to you interpreting him as speaking against obeying what God has commanded.


If you agree that the Mosaic Law reveals what sin is and that we should refrain from sin, then you should agree that we should obey it. Being a doer of the Mosaic Law is the way to know God, not the way to know about Him.
Got any New Testament scripture to cite? Are you aware your case is older revelation, not new? And why aren't you addressing the difference between knowing God and knowing about God?

Romans 1:18-20
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.


What can be known about God is made evident. There are least five ways the knowledge of God may be attained: creation, the written word (which includes the Law of Moses), the moral code written within every human, the example set by the Jesus, the indwelling Spirit. Only the indwelling Spirit of Christ gets anyone past knowing about God to knowing God personally.

  • Got any New Testament scripture to cite? (I'll take up the matter of 1 John 2:6 in a separate post)
  • Are you aware your case is older revelation, not new?
  • Why aren't you addressing the difference between knowing God and knowing about God?
  • Do you know is my questions aren't answered without further delay I'll stop trading posts with you?
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Can you identify the specific point of this op that is intended for discussion? If so, then please do so without further delay.
The OP spoke about the goal of the Mosaic Law, so I quoted those verses to show that its goal is to graciously teach us how to know God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life.
No. That is not the specific point of this op. Try again because if you cannot correctly identify the point of discussion specified in this op the posts will be off topic and I won't collaborate with the digression. I have already stated the Law exists to make sin known, so please stop repeating that as if it is new information, something not already established before you entered the thread, or a point in dispute. Please demonstrate you've actually read the posts and possess an ability to discuss that content op-relevantly.
 
God's way is the way to embody God's character traits while sin is what is contrary to God's character traits, such as with unrighteousness being sin...
Humanity is contrary to God's character traits.

Genesis 6:5
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
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All of the definitions of sin in the Bible are in accordance with what is contrary to God's character traits/contrary to the Law of Moses.
Humanity is contrary to God's character traits.

Luke 16:15
And He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the sight of people, but God knows your hearts; because that which is highly esteemed among people is detestable in the sight of God.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seems right to a person, But its end is the way of death.
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Please quote where the Bible states that sin is something that we are.
Sure.

Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Not only were we conceived in iniquity but each person has disobeyed God and themselves become corrupt due to their own conduct.

Psalm 14:3
They have all turned aside, together they are corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one.

Psalm 53:2-3
God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them has turned aside; they have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.

It's not solely works of disobedience that are corrupt. Those works make the person corrupt. ALL the children of men have together become corrupt.

Job 14:1,4
Man, who is born of woman, is short-lived and full of turmoil.......... Who can make the clean out of the unclean? No one!

Job 15:14
What is man, that he would be pure, Or he who is born of a woman, that he would be righteous?

Job 25:4-6
How then can mankind be righteous with God? Or how can anyone who is born of woman be pure? If even the moon has no brightness and the stars are not pure in His sight, how much less man, that maggot, and a son of man, that worm!

Isaiah 61:4
For all of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; and all of us wither like a leaf, and our wrongdoings, like the wind, take us away.

Humans - ALL humans - have become unclean. It's not the works alone that are unclean; it is the worker him/herself that has become unclean.

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?

The problem goes all the way to the human heart. Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? No one but God!

Romans 8:6-7 (Greek transliteration)
For the mind of flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Our English translations add a clause implying the setting is a matter of choice, but the Greek does not contain those clauses. What Paul wrote was much blunter: the flesh is hostile to God, and it cannot please God. Since unregenerate humanity has only its flesh, that means every unregenerate human is inherently hostile to God and no unregenerate human can ever please God. Logic dictates it would be impossible for such a human to know God (because knowing God would please Him ;)).

Romans 7:18
I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.

Nothing good lives in the unregenerate human. He is sin.


Jesus was not perfect because he was sinless. Jesus was sinless because he was perfect.

1 Peter 1:18-19
...you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:50 LSB
Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the corruptible inherit the incorruptible.

That verse does not say corrupted. It states corruptible. Humanity individually and collectively became corrupted when they disobeyed God but prior to becoming corrupted, humanity was corruptible. It is that condition, the condition of corruptibility that is solved with the resurrection. The regenerate believer is raised incorruptible - unable to be corrupted.

Until then humans themselves are sin. They do not, as you put it, embody God's character. Those dozen verses I just cited are only a sampling of the many verses in which God reveals the inherent sinfulness of humanity. We sin because we're sinful and sinful because we sin. ALL unrighteousness is sin, not just unrighteousness measured by the Law of Moses. Any lack of faith is sin, not just a lack of faith commensurate to breaking the Mosaic Law. In point of fact the very first sin ever committed was commited by breaking a command from God that is not mentioned anywhere in the Law of Moses.

Update your knowledge and understanding here because the Law of Moses is not the only measure of sin. Once you've updated your knowledge and understanding, stop posting the same incorrect arguments ad nauseam. Humanity itself has become corrupt; it is, itself, sin.
 
We embody what we believe to be true about God through our works, such as with James 2:18 saying that he would show his works through his faith, so everyone who is a doer of the same works as James believes in Jesus.............
About whom is the "we" in that sentence referring?

Sinful humans do not behave in a manner embodying what they believe to be true about God. If your case is built solely upon the regenerate person who believes in Jesus as the resurrected Son of God, then your entire argument is not addressing the entirety of humanity and, thereby, fails prima facie. This op is about the Law and evangelism. Saved people do not need to be evangelized. It is the unsaved who need evangelization.

Try posting topically relevant to the op.


If you would like to discuss the nature of sin relevant to the Law alone then start a thread on it. Many will gladly take up that discussion, but its relevance here applies solely to the matter of evangelism.
 
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