Can a man be saved without…..

[donadams]

Can a man be saved without virtue?

Supernatural virtues of Jesus Christ!

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[Soyeong]

Can a man be saved without virtue?

Supernatural virtues of Jesus Christ!

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Virtue is what is in accordance with God's nature, sin is what is contrary to God's nature, God's law is His instructions for how to live in the image of His nature, and Jesus Christ is the exact image of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3). Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is intrinsically part of the concept of him saving us from not living in obedience to it. In other words, living in the image of God's nature through faith in the one who is the exact image of God's nature is the the content of Hs gift of saving us from not living in the image of God's nature. Alternatively, living virtuously is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not living virtuously.

 

[donadams]

Virtue is what is in accordance with God's nature, sin is what is contrary to God's nature, God's law is His instructions for how to live in the image of His nature, and Jesus Christ is the exact image of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3). Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is intrinsically part of the concept of him saving us from not living in obedience to it. In other words, living in the image of God's nature through faith in the one who is the exact image of God's nature is the the content of Hs gift of saving us from not living in the image of God's nature. Alternatively, living virtuously is intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not living virtuously.

Faith alone the only virtue?

 

[Soyeong]

Faith alone the only virtue?

The way to have faith alone in the goodness of God to be our guild for how to rightly live is by following God's instructions for how to do good works.

 

[donadams]

The way to have faith alone in the goodness of God to be our guild for how to rightly live is by following God's instructions for how to do good works.

Then you conclude that virtues are not required for salvation?

 

[Soyeong]

Then you conclude that virtues are not required for salvation?

No, there are many verses like Romans 4:1-5 that deny that we can earn our justification as the result of our obedience and many verses like Romans 2:13 that say that only doers of the law will be justified, so there must be a reason why our justification requires us to choose to be doers of the law other than in order to earn it as a wage, such as faith insofar as the faith by which we are justified does not abolish our need to be a doer of the law, but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:28-31). While do do not earn our salvation as the result of being virtuous,

The content of a gift can itself be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work has nothing not do with trying to earn the gift. Similarly, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus and the gift of His law is His instructions for how have that experience (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23), which we are required to follow in order to have that experience, but not in order to earn eternal life as a wage. It is not the case that we need to be virtuous first in order to then result in earning our salvation, but rather having the experience of being virtuous through faith is intrinsically the content of the gift of Jesus saving us from having the experience of not being virtuous, which requires us to follow God's instructions for how to be virtuous in order to have that experience.

 

[donadams]

Cos it is always preceded by grace and by Grace enabled to do the good

For example

Ez 36:25-27 baptism gives grace and the spirit with a new heart to do the will of God!

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[donadams]

But it don’t explain those who insist that it is “faith alone”!

Deut 6:5 and 1 cor 16:22

Much less 1 cor 13:2 & 13:13
Phil 1 :29
James 2

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[Eleanor]

Can a man be saved without virtue?

Supernatural virtues of Jesus Christ!

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The sinner who comes to God in genuine faith is without virtue, as in the thief on the cross, or the prostitute.

 

[donadams]

The sinner who comes to God in genuine faith is without virtue, as in the thief on the cross, or the prostitute.

Faith is not a virture?

 

[Eleanor]

Faith is not a virture?

Faith is a gift of God, not of man's own virtuous doing (Php 1;29, Ac 13:48, Ac 18:27, 2 Pe 1:1, Ro 12:3).

 

[donadams]

Faith is a gift of God, not of man's own virtuous doing (Php 1;29, Ac 13:48, Ac 18:27, 2 Pe 1:1, Ro 12:3).

All the virtues are gifts from God, the supernatural virtues of Jesus Christ we only practice them

 

[Eleanor]

All the virtues are gifts from God, the supernatural virtues of Jesus Christ we only practice them

So we are agreed, there is no virtue that God does not give, virtue is not required of us for we have none.
Virtue is the gift of God in his salvation of us.