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An Engineer's Perspective on Creation

Thing is, those christians skew the Bible.
The flood becomes a fable...axes don't float and donkeys don't talk.
Nonsense. A person can hold to evolution and believe in miracles. The one does not discount the other.
But this topic has been debated elsewhere, so let's not derail this thread.
 
the fact is if Hitler confessed Christ as his Lord the moment before that bullet passed through his skull then you and I will be laughing with him on the other side of the grave! The same goes for Einstein, Hawking, and every other human creature.
Josheb~you seem to be a very wise brother, but I just want to add something, or correct if I may~It is not if Hitler, or any other man, whose life was a life of unbelief, confess Christ at the hour of death, will be laughing with us in that day........ it is whether or not the Spirit of the Living God "regenerate" such a person at the hour of death before his spirit leaves his body, confession, or no confession that soul will be with Christ that very day in paradise.

I do not want to derail the subject, so, I'll stop, I made my point, which I'm sure you will agree.
 
Josheb~you seem to be a very wise brother, but I just want to add something, or correct if I may~It is not if Hitler, or any other man, whose life was a life of unbelief, confess Christ at the hour of death, will be laughing with us in that day........ it is whether or not the Spirit of the Living God "regenerate" such a person at the hour of death before his spirit leaves his body, confession, or no confession that soul will be with Christ that very day in paradise.

I do not want to derail the subject, so, I'll stop, I made my point, which I'm sure you will agree.
Why else would he confess??
 
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Why else would he confess??
He saw the demons who came to drag him HOME? :ROFLMAO:

  • [Matthew 23:33] "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"
  • [Matthew 7:22-23]"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"

    ;)
 
Nonsense. A person can hold to evolution and believe in miracles. The one does not discount the other.
But this topic has been debated elsewhere, so let's not derail this thread.
Then why don't they believe in the miracles associated with the fiat of creation?

As I already said...those christians skew the bible. Examples available upon request.
 
Josheb~you seem to be a very wise brother, but I just want to add something, or correct if I may~It is not if Hitler, or any other man, whose life was a life of unbelief, confess Christ at the hour of death, will be laughing with us in that day........ it is whether or not the Spirit of the Living God "regenerate" such a person at the hour of death before his spirit leaves his body, confession, or no confession that soul will be with Christ that very day in paradise.

I do not want to derail the subject, so, I'll stop, I made my point, which I'm sure you will agree.
Yes, HS regeneration is necessary.
 
It's Idealotry...
Ideals can be Idolatry...

Idealotry ~ by ReverendRV * May 23

Numbers 32:4 NET
; the land that the LORD subdued before the community of Israel, is ideal for cattle, and your servants have cattle."

Many of us have seen pastures in the mountains that had cows standing on slopes, and we wondered why their owners couldn’t have found a more Ideal field for them; one more level. But did you know the Bible tells us that God owns the cattle on a Thousand “hills”? ~ The thing about our Ideals is that they are speculative. Margaret Sanger is famous for founding ‘Planned Parenthood’; but she is infamous for her Ideals about Racism and Eugenics. Today, Planned Parenthood facilities are located in areas which are mostly populated by People of Color. We’ll live and die for our Ideals, but when our ideal comes into conflict with different Ideals, we can become combative. Hitler’s Anti-Semitism was fueled by Sanger exporting her ideals across the Atlantic. A War was wagged in part against her Ideals; yet they linger…

Sanger suggested that Pauperism, Prostitution and Criminality are results of poor breeding. Has anyone stolen from you, even if it was your child taking money from your wallet? Society correctly calls them Thieves; have you taken money from your mother’s purse? Has anyone ever Lied to you? Society calls these people Liars; have you ever told a Lie? Doesn’t this make you a Lying Thief? You object, “Why are you trying to make me live by your Ideals, you said yourself that they are speculative; my mother didn’t press charges.” Ideals may be speculative but these were two of God’s Ten Commandments. “But God is speculative because no one has ever seen him!’ ~ You almost got me with this one; if it hadn’t been for the Lord Jesus Christ. If God had never entered into this world, you’d be right. If Jesus judged you by his standard, would you be innocent or guilty? Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Does this bother you??

God is not an Ideal, he is a person; the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible says that God Tabernacled with us; like a person in a tent which is the body. For God so Loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son; that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life. As the Godman, Jesus Christ lived a Sinless life and earned the reward of Heaven for himself. But because of his great Love, he shares his right to Heaven with all who believe that his bloody death on the Cross will pay for their Sins against a Holy, Holy, HOLY God. Jesus rose from the grave and conquered Death, having many witnesses we can rely on. We’re Saved by Grace through Faith in the Resurrected Savior Jesus Christ, without Works lest we should boast. Repent of your Sins, confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God and begin your search for a Biblical Church. ~ There are many Ideals within the Bible, such as the Proverbs 31 Woman. When God is the source of your Ideals, then be proud of the person you can be; for they are true Ideals. Jesus Christ is the Exodus 20 Man, since only he can keep the Ten Commandments; we keep the Royal Law of Christ…

James 2:8 NASB; If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.
 
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While I do not really like the way you have expressed things here (input/output to me makes it sounds like God has shoved everything into a machine to see what comes out) I understand what you are getting at.

The output is what God has always wanted - to dwell with His people - (Rev 21, as you said). Heaven and earth united in Christ for the glory of God the Father.
Thank you for that response... and for staying on topic. LOL
 
INPUT: God's word
OUTPUT: Revelation 21:3

So, here's the follow on question that I was hoping to get to once the INPUT and OUTPUT were identified.

How is the state of the redeemed greater than that of Adam and Eve at their creation on the sixth day?
 
INPUT: God's word
OUTPUT: Revelation 21:3

So, here's the follow on question that I was hoping to get to once the INPUT and OUTPUT were identified.

How is the state of the redeemed greater than that of Adam and Eve at their creation on the sixth day?
Before or after glorification?
 
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