A Question For Dispensationalists

[Eternally-Grateful]

From what I understand...The purpose of the 1,000-year reign is to fulfill various promises God made to the world. Some of these promises, called covenants, were given specifically to Israel. Others were given to Jesus, the nations of the world, and creation. Jesus’ 1,000-year reign will be a time of promises kept.

It will also be a time of peace e. The baby will sleep by the serpent, the lamb and the lion will sleep together, and nothing will be afraid. Nature is restored. And jesus himself is ruling, with satan bound, unable to decieve the nations..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Land ho!

The problem with what is the land of Israel is that you get varying boundaries in scripture.
So which scripture of boundaries do you choose for it to be fulfilled?

All the land That God gave them, If I remember right. They have as of yet been given the totality of the land yet.. Because of their sin.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I would think one should know the physical boundaries before they could possibly claim it was physically fulfilled.

Or one could possibly say it only involved the city that Abraham was hoping for that he and his children would inherit.

Heb 11
(10) For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God.

I would use this, as this is what God promised them, nothign more, nothing less

Gen 15’To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.” (Genesis 15:18–21, NKJV)

 

[Josheb]

From what I understand...The purpose of the 1,000-year reign is to fulfill various promises God made to the world. Some of these promises, called covenants, were given specifically to Israel. Others were given to Jesus, the nations of the world, and creation. Jesus’ 1,000-year reign will be a time of promises kept.

And what is the source for that understanding?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

And what is the source for that understanding?

The word of God?

 

[Josheb]

The word of God?

Thank you for that answer.

Would you please show us where the word of God states the purpose of the 1,000-year reign is to fulfill various promises God made to the world?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Thank you for that answer.

Would you please show us where the word of God states the purpose of the 1,000-year reign is to fulfill various promises God made to the world?

Can you show me where in the word of God it says the word trinity?

Are all the nations of the world being blessed today?\
Have they ever been?

Is Israel being Blessed today?

Once again Prophecy is a deep subject. Your not going to find it in a few small passages.. There is a ton of information in the OT. It would take us weeks justy to start

 

[Josheb]

Can you show me where in the word of God it says the word trinity?

Are all the nations of the world being blessed today?\
Have they ever been?

Is Israel being Blessed today?

Once again Prophecy is a deep subject. Your not going to find it in a few small passages.. There is a ton of information in the OT. It would take us weeks justy to start

Please do not change the subject and dodge the question. You stated the purpose of the 1,000-year reign is to fulfill various promises God made to the world and when asked for the source of that that understanding you stated the Bible was the source. It is, therefore, completely valid and appropriate for anyone to ask you to provide evidence where God's word states what was posted. If the Bible does not explicitly state what was specified then say, "The Bible does not explicitly state that, it is something I infer from scripture X, scripture Y, and scripture Z.

Then we have a better understanding of your understanding and position and the conversation moves forward.

Would you please show us where the word of God states the purpose of the 1,000-year reign is to fulfill various promises God made to the world?

 

[Eleanor]

All the land That God gave them, If I remember right. They have as of yet been given the totality of the land yet.. Because of their sin.

Indeed, they have:
full possession (Josh 23:14, 21:43),
full occupation (1 Kgs 4:21 24-25).

The land promise (Ge 17:8, 26:3, 28:4, 35:12, Ex 6:8, Dt 1:8, 34:4) has been fulfilled.

The everlasting possession (Ge 17:8, 48:4) is fulfilled in the heavenly land (Heb 11:13-16, 39-40).

There is no land promise remaining to Israel.

 

[EarlyActs]

Dispensationalism does Not teach the bolded part.

It teaches God is dealing with a new world order. Where each nation, not just Israel, is fulfilling its purpose and worshiping God

Actually you answered your own question.

It is also found in leviticus 26

And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me,
28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.
30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols; and My soul shall abhor you.
31 I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your sweet aromas.
32 I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it.
33 I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you;

In both of these cases. God promises that for them to live in peace in the land. They had to obey hi, If they turned from him, he would turn in them, up to and including destroying their high places (like the temple) and tearing down their cities and scattering them in Gentile nations. As punishment.

This also happened three different times Assyria and Northern Israel, Babylon and southern Israel, As prophesied by Jeremiah and at the end of that time, was prayed hard by Daniel the prophet trying to make intercessary prayer, And God in his love sending gabriel down to say they will not restored now. But they will be given 70 weeks. At the end of the time Israel will do the following

“Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city,

The 70 weeks are for Daniels people. And his Holy city (jerusalem)

To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.

This would be a different study, But you can not take dispensationalism out of one small passage, it is a whole bunch of scripture put together.

Back to lev 26, It says if Israel repents, and they confess their sins and their father’s sins. God will remember his covenant with their fathers.

D’ism doesn’t want to teach a removed church during its Mill, but the pressure of two distinct programs makes it do so.

Ryries chapter ‘Two Peoples, Two Programs’ made that distinction definitive about D’ism.

Biblical theology must finally refer to the apostles teaching, which is actually Christ’s 40 days teaching, not direct quotes from the OT which the apostles did not quite.

 

[EarlyActs]

Can you show me where in the word of God it says the word trinity?

Are all the nations of the world being blessed today?\
Have they ever been?

Is Israel being Blessed today?

Once again Prophecy is a deep subject. Your not going to find it in a few small passages.. There is a ton of information in the OT. It would take us weeks justy to start

Yes since the event of Pentecost spread the word so quickly, all the nations have been blessed. But the world counters.

OT prophecy interp must submit to the apostles. It should not work directly with the OT. Going direct makes people hinge everything on Ezekiel 37,38 instead of clear declarations in the NT.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

D’ism doesn’t want to teach a removed church during its Mill, but the pressure of two distinct programs makes it do so.

Ryries chapter ‘Two Peoples, Two Programs’ made that distinction definitive about D’ism.

Biblical theology must finally refer to the apostles teaching, which is actually Christ’s 40 days teaching, not direct quotes from the OT which the apostles did not quite.

If you do not want to learn what we believe, but want to keep pushing a narrative that no one I know believes.

Then there is no need in continuing any conversation.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes since the event of Pentecost spread the word so quickly, all the nations have been blessed.

Really. Can you show me that in the history papers? In the word of God. Or in any form of proof?

But the world counters.

OT prophecy interp must submit to the apostles. It should not work directly with the OT. Going direct makes people hinge everything on Ezekiel 37,38 instead of clear declarations in the NT.

 

[Eleanor]

If you do not want to learn what we believe, but want to keep pushing a narrative that no one I know believes.

Then there is no need in continuing any conversation.

Is it about learning "what others believe," or is it about learning "what the Scriptures present?"

 

[Arial]

But I already explained one of the purposes. God said in abraham ALL nations will be blessed.

Can you show me in the last 2000 years all these blessed nations? No war. peace. Famine is a punishment. Can you?

Where does Scripture say the blessing spoken to Abraham concerning all nation was "no war, peace, no famine? What is the blessing that came to all nations (instead of JUST Israel) that was promised to Abraham?

Gen 22:15-18 And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven and said, "By myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only Son, I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies, and in your offspring whall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice."

Compare to Galatians 3:15-18 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Not when promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings,: referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law which came 430 years afterwards, does not annual a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Now what does the promise include? All nations. Is that not ALL the land, and not just one tiny (comparatively) portion of it?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Where does Scripture say the blessing spoken to Abraham concerning all nation was "no war, peace, no famine? What is the blessing that came to all nations (instead of JUST Israel) that was promised to Abraham?

Where does it say it is anythign but this?

Gen 22:15-18 And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven and said, "By myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only Son, I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies, and in your offspring whall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice."

Compare to Galatians 3:15-18 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Not when promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings,: referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law which came 430 years afterwards, does not annual a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Now what does the promise include? All nations. Is that not ALL the land, and not just one tiny (comparatively) portion of it?

All nations equals all nation.

In the 1000 years of christ. There will be peace. There will be prosperity. Nature will be restored. There will be no war. Satan is bound. Now there is still punishment, people who do not come to jersualem to worship the king no rain will be their punishment.

The land was given to one family.. we are talking about the earth. All nations. Not one nation

 

[EarlyActs]

If you do not want to learn what we believe, but want to keep pushing a narrative that no one I know believes.

Then there is no need in continuing any conversation.

I know what I speak by growing up in it. The college they helped me get to never mentioned Acts 13 or Gal 3, and the church didn’t either!

I’m the one who quoted Ryrie , who was the official D’ist spox for decades; prof at DTS.
We had to read his book DT at the college.

 

[EarlyActs]

Where does it say it is anythign but this?

All nations equals all nation.

In the 1000 years of christ. There will be peace. There will be prosperity. Nature will be restored. There will be no war. Satan is bound. Now there is still punishment, people who do not come to jersualem to worship the king no rain will be their punishment.

The land was given to one family.. we are talking about the earth. All nations. Not one nation

That’s the NHNE; it can’t be this earth; just see 2Peter 3

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

That’s the NHNE; it can’t be this earth; just see 2Peter 3

Nope

There is no death then.

 

[Arial]

All nations equals all nation.

In my school days an "s" was added on the end of a noun to indicate it was plural. One can not successfully or rightly make stuff up so that what isn't true appears to become true. But then maybe they have changed that grammar rule since I was in first grade.