1000 years of Revelation 20.

[JesusFan]

Where is what you call the Messianic kingdom discussed in the other epistles? Where does Jesus mention a Messianic kingdom? Where does Revelation mention a Messianic kingdom?

1000 year reigning and ruling of Jesus after Second Coming event

 

[JesusFan]

That is not what the text states. That may be what you were taught it means, but that is not what is states. Stick first with what is stated. Rev. 22:18. I gotta go but let me recommend you get out your Bible and read the first 20 verses of the book and read it as literally as you can, as objectively as you can. Take it exactly as written without all the biases all the many teachers have preached. Start with the text itself exactly as written, apart from all the Historicist, Amillennial, Postmillennial, Dispensationalist, and Idealist viewpoints you've heard over your Christian life. Stop yourself each time you hear your mind say, "It refers to....."

It does not "refer" to anything other than what it states.

Where it does refer to something other than what is stated the text explains itself. Once all the millennia of speculation is discarded the book of Revelation is not particularly difficult to understand.

The Second and physical resurrection still yet to come , as is an Antichrist figure

 

[Arial]

1000 year reigning and ruling of Jesus after Second Coming event

That isn't where it says that. That is how you interpret what it says. Could you be wrong? A literal thousand-year reign in Jerusalem is never explicitly stated. And if that were the case, that would be (according to premils) the glorious promised second coming of Christ, wouldn't you think explicit mention would be front and center? Mentioned again and again. But it was not. Not by Jesus and not by the apostles. A single passage in Revelation is presumed to mean that. That passage was a vision, in the genre of apocalyptic prophecy, in a book that sends its message through symbolic images and numbers. And the reason it is presumed to mean that is because the reader has set a hermeneutical focus on the nation Israel and the Jewish people when interpreting the OT, instead of where it belongs from Gen forward---on the Redeemer.

Consider that.

 

[JesusFan]

That isn't where it says that. That is how you interpret what it says. Could you be wrong? A literal thousand-year reign in Jerusalem is never explicitly stated. And if that were the case, that would be (according to premils) the glorious promised second coming of Christ, wouldn't you think explicit mention would be front and center? Mentioned again and again. But it was not. Not by Jesus and not by the apostles. A single passage in Revelation is presumed to mean that. That passage was a vision, in the genre of apocalyptic prophecy, in a book that sends its message through symbolic images and numbers. And the reason it is presumed to mean that is because the reader has set a hermeneutical focus on the nation Israel and the Jewish people when interpreting the OT, instead of where it belongs from Gen forward---on the Redeemer.

Consider that.

I understand why you view it as that, and just think that Covenant premil is a viable option one can hold from biblical Eschatology perspective

 

[Josheb]

Where is what you call the Messianic kingdom discussed in the other epistles? Where does Jesus mention a Messianic kingdom? Where does Revelation mention a Messianic kingdom?

1000 year reigning and ruling of Jesus after Second Coming event

She is asking you where in the epistles is the Messianic kingdom discussed?

Where might we find what you call the "Messianic kingdom" discussed in the epistles? In other words, the answer to that question would require you to specify a verse or passage found in the New Testament letters. You'll have to cite chapter and verse of some epistle.

The Second and physical resurrection still yet to come , as is an Antichrist figure

Non sequitur.

Revelation 1:1-3 NAS
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bondservants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 2who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Revelation 1:1-3 ESV
1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.

Revelation 1:1-3 KJV
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 1:1-3 BLB
1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show to His servants what is necessary to take place in quickness. And He signified it through having sent His angel to His servant John, 2who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, as much as he saw. 3Blessed is the one reading and those hearing the words of the prophecy and keeping the things written in it; for the time is near.

Revelation 1:1-3 LSV
1A revelation of Jesus Christ that God gave to Him to show to His servants what things must quickly come to pass; and He signified [it], having sent through His messenger to His servant John, 2who testified [to] the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, as many things as he also saw. 3Blessed is he who is reading, and those hearing the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things written in it, for the time is near!

Revelation 1:1-3 YLT
1A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify [it], having sent through his messenger to his servant John, 2who did testify the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, as many things also as he did see. 3Happy is he who is reading, and those hearing, the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things written in it — for the time is nigh!


These are six of the most literal, or formal, translation of the text into English. You have stated everything after chapter four is in the far, far distant future - a future multiple millennia away from the time when John wrote what he was told to write down - and I have replied by stating scripture proves otherwise. The book of Revelation explicitly states what Jesus gave to John was going to take place quickly and the reason it was going to take place quickly is because the time was near. The Greek word is "engys" which transliterally mean "at hand" ("en" = in/at; "gys" = hand). If you do a survey of the word "near," or "engys" in the New Testament you will find there is not one example in which the word "near" is used to mean anything other than near. The futurist translation of the word is the normative AND statistical outlier. It is the futurist interpretation that contradicts ALL the New Testament uses of the word "engys". Furthermore, as I have already posted, verse 19 of that same chapter states about two-thirds of Revelation were either in John's past or events occurring at the time when John wrote what he was instructed to write.

Revelation 1:19
Therefore, write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things.

• Things that you have seen (prior to the vision being provided, prior to writing anything down).
• Things that are.
• Things that will take place after what he's seen and what was.

Only a third of Revelation is said by Jesus to be about the future! The part that is about the future was previously stated to occur quickly because the time was near. This is what is stated in the introduction of the entire revelation of Revelation. Jesus himself qualifies his own revelation. He explicitly states to John the events he will reveal are near, or at hand and most of it had already occurred. Then, at the end of the entire revelation of Revelation, Jesus states the following.

Revelation 22:7-10
7“And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.” 8I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9And he said to me, “Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brothers the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!” 10And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near."

The book of Revelation opens and closes with the revelation what is described is near, or at hand. What the text does NOT states is "It will be near to the time when the events happen." Not only is that not what the text states but that interpretation is nonsensically circular. It is the equivalent to saying it will happen when it happens and that removes both the imminent urgency and the prophetic nature of the revelation. ALL of the content about the scrolls is a reference to Daniel.

Daniel 12:
4But as for you, Daniel, keep these words secret and seal up the book until the end of time; many will roam about, and knowledge will increase.......... 8But as for me, I heard but did not understand; so I said, “My lord, what will be the outcome of these events?” 9And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words will be kept secret and sealed up until the end time.

Daniel was told to seal up the prophecy until the end time. The end time came in the first century and John witnessed the unsealing of the prophecy and, at the end of the revelation, he was told to leave the prophecy unsealed. Why was he told to leave the prophecy unsealed? Because the time was at hand.

Now let's go back a few posts...

Where is what you call the Messianic kingdom discussed in the other epistles? Where does Jesus mention a Messianic kingdom? Where does Revelation mention a Messianic kingdom?

1000 year reigning and ruling of Jesus after Second Coming event

@Arial is asking you for scripture, not a regurgitation of doctrine or personal commentary. She is asking you where in the epistolary of the New Testament we might find your view of the Messianic kingdom discussed. Where might we find Paul, Peter, James, John, or the author of Hebrews discussing the Messianic kingdom as you define it? She's asking you for scripture. She is asking you for scripture and I, for one, share her interest (and I suspect other participants in this thread do, too).

I just provided scripture. I just took what I previously posted did what she's asking you to do. I provided the scripture proving what I posted. I provided only scripture. I did not add one word of doctrinal or personal interpretation to any of it. Scripture and scripture alone. Scripture and scripture posted and read exactly as written. Can you do likewise for what you have posted?

I tend to see the OT prophets Messianic Age of a paradise restored on earth with the King Messiah ruling

Show me the scripture, please. More specifically, please post the place(s) where we might find that discussed in the New Testament's epistolary.

Thank you for your patience, perseverance, and forbearance. Thank you ahead of time for posting the scriptures requested.